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Last post 10-17-2008 8:37 AM by Maunder Minimum. 26 replies.
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  • 10-12-2008 9:47 PM , Post ID 595,958 In reply to

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    Re: 1740 a warning from history

      Sure, look at          http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar/          re- set the date to the desired date, and set the size at 1024 so as to make the image larger.

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  • 10-12-2008 10:01 PM , Post ID 595,977 In reply to

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    Re: 1740 a warning from history

    I put the years in but dont see any similarity. I guess we need specific dates - do you know what they are? Also what are we looking for?

     

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  • 10-13-2008 1:53 AM , Post ID 596,071 In reply to

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     Aw come on, you can do better than that, its Saturn and Jupiter on one side of the Sun, Uranus on the opposite side. That is the main feature, that`s all I`m giving away just now. oEvil

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  • 10-13-2008 9:37 AM , Post ID 596,176 In reply to

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    Re: 1740 a warning from history

    breezy:

     Aw come on, you can do better than that, its Saturn and Jupiter on one side of the Sun, Uranus on the opposite side. That is the main feature, that`s all I`m giving away just now. oEvil

     

    Erm, what?  

    You have to stop posting antiscience and then not even explaining it. You're either a kook or a troll judging from this thread. 

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  • 10-13-2008 9:45 AM , Post ID 596,179 In reply to

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    Re: 1740 a warning from history

    That may be a bit of a premature judgement however, the situation does imply that Breezy's hypothesis is substantially incomplete or, for some other reason, not ready for scrutiny by others. On this basis, no claim based on the hypothesis can be defended and must therefore be viewed with a great deal of circumspection.

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  • 10-13-2008 11:15 AM , Post ID 596,209 In reply to

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    Re: 1740 a warning from history

    Well okay, maybe I jumped the gun a bit. Several other posts by breezy are well thought out and explain themselves even if I don't agree with what he's saying. But I think here he's saying that the alignment/conjunction or whatever of the planets results in the Nile freezing over. See the below quote for what I mean

    breezy:

    It is impossible to show a cooling occurred at every VEI 5 or above volcanic event, but the planetary configuration of 1740 is basically the same as 608AD, 829AD and 1010AD which froze rivers such as the Nile and Euphrates.The next event similar to this is N.H. winter 2016/17, but is not as extreme. oSad

     

    On second thought, I stand by what I said - note he said "...but the planetary configuration of... [these years]... froze the Nile" like it's a direct effect.

    If breezy is serious about this, that makes him a kook. The alignment of the planets has a few miniscule effects on this planet - the minutest change in tides, how bright the planets look in the night sky, and the occasional infinitesimally small reduction in solar radiation as Mercury and Venus transit the sun. They don't exert powerful forces over the planet's atmosphere.

    If breezy is joking, that makes him a troll as this thread is now totally derailed since breezy got involved after you mentioned the 1739 eruption, Ulric. 


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  • 10-13-2008 1:22 PM , Post ID 596,266 In reply to

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    Ulric, I have actually described the most substantial part of the configuration causing these cold winters, and have given many examples of where the coldest of N. Hemisphere winters have occurred at these configurations. On this basis alone, a very good correlation can be found. I could go further as to why the negative anomaly is in a particular year/season, and why there are exceptions, but I am sorry that I have to withhold these details for the time being because of my intentions to use this information commercially.

    Snock, I do regard that I have got the thread on track rather than derailed it. You have got the wrong end of the stick on the planetary influence. It is the planetary positions that effect the solar output. Here is a paper discussing alignments and sunspot genesis: http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/Citations.aspx?id=330  and Landscheidt is good introduction to the subject of barycenters if you are not familiar:   http://landscheidt.auditblogs.com/archives/24  oClown

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  • 10-13-2008 1:34 PM , Post ID 596,269 In reply to

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    breezy:

    Ulric, I have actually described the most substantial part of the configuration causing these cold winters, and have given many examples of where the coldest of N. Hemisphere winters have occurred at these configurations. On this basis alone, a very good correlation can be found. I could go further as to why the negative anomaly is in a particular year/season, and why there are exceptions, but I am sorry that I have to withhold these details for the time being because of my intentions to use this information commercially.

    Snock, I do regard that I have got the thread on track rather than derailed it. You have got the wrong end of the stick on the planetary influence. It is the planetary positions that effect the solar output. Here is a paper discussing alignments and sunspot genesis: http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/Citations.aspx?id=330  and Landscheit is good introduction to the subject of barycenters if you are not familiar:   http://landscheidt.auditblogs.com/archives/24  oClown

     

    Thanks, I wish you'd have been this clear earlier on! I'll read that stuff and see what I think of it when I get a moment.

    Please don't hesitate to back up claims in the future. Just posting ideas from newly researched sciences that few people here are familiar with without also posting the evidence/research is going to cause problems and confusion. 

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  • 10-13-2008 1:46 PM , Post ID 596,271 In reply to

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    Andy Woodcock:

    This is a good point.

    In the CET record the 1730's were the warmest decade until the 1990's.

    Yes the volcano had a pronounced effect but other factors must have been at work to cause such a big and rapid drop in temperature.

     Andy

    Indeed Andy. The very cold 1978-79 winter came at the end of a decade that had, until that point, seen winters that were notably milder than those of the 1960's. 1974-75 was, I believe, an exceptionally mild winter, almost as mild as any winter we have seen in the last 20 years,

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  • 10-16-2008 11:51 PM , Post ID 597,736 In reply to

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    Snock:

    Please don't hesitate to back up claims in the future. Just posting ideas from newly researched sciences that few people here are familiar with without also posting the evidence/research is going to cause problems and confusion. 

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  • 10-17-2008 1:15 AM , Post ID 597,744 In reply to

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    AIMSIR:

    Snock:

    Please don't hesitate to back up claims in the future. Just posting ideas from newly researched sciences that few people here are familiar with without also posting the evidence/research is going to cause problems and confusion. 

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    Eh?
     

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  • 10-17-2008 8:37 AM , Post ID 597,818 In reply to

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     You are right that a severe winter will come along at some point and surprise everyone - but according to the Met Office, it won't be this one. I guess we have to wait until SSTs in the North Atlantic switch to a different phase - the Atlantic is currently too warm in the wrong places to give us a decent winter.

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