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warrenb
17 January 2019 11:08:03
We are at the point of watching Media and Social Media to see if the big boys are going for this. Meto twitter is normally a good source, and also if NHS/Local Authorities start to tweet about cold weather.
JACKO4EVER
17 January 2019 11:08:26
Wow GFS Cobra run πŸ˜€
Rob K
17 January 2019 11:08:33

GFSP still less keen on the early trough disruption, everything further east than even the GFSP 0Z at this stage. Still brings lying snow to virtually anywhere by Tuesday though.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome
Gandalf The White
17 January 2019 11:12:22

Whatever actually happens on the ground, is the 06Z GFS this morning one for the scrapbook?
The depth of cold coming in from both directions at 240 is astonishing. Where they clash you’d expect a significant snowfall.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed, a remarkable evolution.


Although there's not the same build of pressure over Greenland as late December 1962, the trough moving down into cold air from a previous easterly is similar.  


Widely 15-20 cm of snow from that trough; 36 hours of snowfall for the east/SE.


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soperman
17 January 2019 11:12:30

We are at the point of watching Media and Social Media to see if the big boys are going for this. Meto twitter is normally a good source, and also if NHS/Local Authorities start to tweet about cold weather.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 


....and the Daily Express!

tallyho_83
17 January 2019 11:13:13


 


 


Doesn't get much better than that run Tally, beautiful! 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


But it's as good as you get from 0 to 384 really in terms of cold and followed by proper locked in severe cold so let's hope this stays this way or even upgrades and we eventually see cross model agreement. We have been waiting almost half of the winter to see anything of interest so it's about time we saw something wintry. Maybe this could be the time the models have finally picked up on the SSW around Xmas and into New Year. 


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soperman
17 January 2019 11:14:07

I wonder if this outlook could paralyse the UK any more than the politicians are currently doing!

DPower
17 January 2019 11:16:41
I don't remember ever seeing a run better than this for depth of cold and snow for the UK. Crazy, crazy run.
Bring on the 12z.
Rob K
17 January 2019 11:22:06
Back to Earth with a bump with the GFSP, following the 0Z only even flatter so far. However the 0Z had a second crack at trough disruption a week later and still brought some fun and games, so keep watching.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome
Ally Pally Snowman
17 January 2019 11:22:37

Now watch the parallel run wee on our collective chips ;)

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Yep it does indeed pee on our collective parade . Flat at 168h . Let's see where it goes from here but BIG caution still folks!


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
ballamar
17 January 2019 11:25:23
Great fun to see a run like that enjoy it and think of the disruption we would see but don’t get upset if it doesn’t happen there are bigger problems in life! Now where is that snow shovel...
tallyho_83
17 January 2019 11:28:47

So just s the OP run upgrades the para downgrades each run:


Could be more different event if it tried. Para shows temps widely up to 10c midday next Thursday 24th:



 


The Op run shows temps barely above freezing by midday on 24th with a mild south westerly:



 


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Ally Pally Snowman
17 January 2019 11:31:34

 5 or 6 ensembles look similar to the Para at 168h the rest are cold .


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
17 January 2019 11:37:00


 5 or 6 ensembles look similar to the Para at 168h the rest are cold .


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yes the GEFS is out to 192hrs and the majority take the cold route. The mean has crept up a little as there are two or three more members going milder than there were on the 0Z.


 



 


The GFSP is a worry, an interesting test of old vs new!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome
Ally Pally Snowman
17 January 2019 11:42:56


 


Yes the GEFS is out to 192hrs and the majority take the cold route. The mean has crept up a little as there are two or three more members going milder than there were on the 0Z.


 



 


The GFSP is a worry, an interesting test of old vs new!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Squeaky bum time! It really is incredible how different the Para is to its older brother by 216h.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
17 January 2019 11:47:12
Gfs 06z can’t be bettered, simple as that.
One day it might actually happen, hopefully in our life times..
Heavy Weather 2013
17 January 2019 11:49:04

So irritating. All last week we were waiting for the GFS to catch up with the Parallel and now its the other way around. You couldn't make it up. Still, that GFS run was outstanding.


12z runs are the most important runs of the winter so far. Exciting times


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
tallyho_83
17 January 2019 12:05:14


So irritating. All last week we were waiting for the GFS to catch up with the Parallel and now its the other way around. You couldn't make it up. Still, that GFS run was outstanding.


12z runs are the most important runs of the winter so far. Exciting times


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Indeed - so frustrating how one goes mild when the other goes cold although the Para does end blocked and cold:


Hope the parallel will catch up with the GFS Op run now.



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kmoorman
17 January 2019 12:08:10

Despite a stunning Op run, the ensemble is a slight downgrade for Brighton Snow.


 


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Saint Snow
17 January 2019 12:11:51


 


Purdy!


 


 



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kmoorman
17 January 2019 12:27:59



 


Purdy!


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


The Wall - we built the Wall!


 



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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
17 January 2019 12:37:15

The 00z GFS, UKMO, and the ECMWF Models are supporting a cold and changeable forecast.


The SW UK, Monday evening to Tuesday and Southern UK- could see some weather action to do with winter weather.


And there is a possibillity but not yet likely but have the chance- to go either Cold with easterly to NE winds by Wednesday to Saturday if the GFS and ECMWF 00z runs are to be believed, and the deflection on Tuesday to Thursday of NW Atlantic NE USA PV Low to Southeast Greenland and West SW of Iceland is being clearly shown on the GFS and ECMWF 00z runs.


NE and Eastern Central N. Atlantic blocking High North and West UK High Pressure is backed up from Wednesday to Saturday 23rd to 26th January based on GFS and ECMWF 00z runs.


But NW to North Atlantic Zonal west to east flow with Cold and less cold mix of weather and Deep areas of Low Pressure are suggested by the ICON, GFS Para, GEM as well.


The UKMO at T144 is not that impressive but is great enough for Southeastern UK.


GFS ENS is quite cold throughout both day and night.


The Flip Flop style of the Model runs is there but ECMWF and GFS 12z, and 00z Model runs are still looking fine.


I wonder whether the NW and North Atlantic Zonal train can be stopped on GFS and ECMWF 12z today- they are saying that blocking over UK and Eastern N. Atlantic is winning but then in the afternoon and evening today we may get some negative response!!.


Next 96 hours we need the support from the UKMO, ECMWF and GFS to be sustained.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Foghorn
17 January 2019 13:06:33
What is the difference between the Operational and Parallel runs - given they never seem to agree perhaps it should be renamed the Perpendicular run!?
Rob K
17 January 2019 13:08:19

What is the difference between the Operational and Parallel runs - given they never seem to agree perhaps it should be renamed the Perpendicular run!?

Originally Posted by: Foghorn 


Parallel is a new and (supposedly) improved iteration of the model, which is intended to replace the old version. For a time they run in parallel, to compare their performance.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome
RobN
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17 January 2019 13:36:19


I wonder if this outlook could paralyse the UK any more than the politicians are currently doing!


Originally Posted by: soperman 


The pantomime in the model output has a lot of parallels with the pantomime being played out in Parliament - no one can agree on the way forward and no-one knows how it will end.


The 06Z Op is a thing of beauty but it would cause a few problems we probably could best do without right now


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

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