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tallyho_83
18 January 2019 11:48:47


Looks like the GEFS 06z has now come to cross model agreement that we will see a cold spell - the mean is below the 30 year average throughout - the question now is how cold at the moment it looks cold to very cold but not the bitter freezing cold like beast from the east time cold.


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Russwirral
18 January 2019 11:51:07
Belter of a 6z run. Nice to watch the charts as its actually snowing outside.

Interesting how the scandi high is slowly being replaced by a iceland, or even Greenland high. Which potentially has much more clout to it for all the UK, rather than just the SE.

Really enjoying the output at the moment.
Rob K
18 January 2019 11:56:08

The parallel run is insanely snowy, especially for the northern half of the country. In fact for most of Europe:


 



 


Absolutely crazy output here. Looks like one of Brian's upside-down charts!



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DPower
18 January 2019 12:16:22

With guidence from the ec46 and strat warming etc we could very likely be on the cusb of something really special. The 06z run and ensembles really picking up on the downwelling in the extended range with the runs a lot more believable in the mid to longer term showing a very -AO rather than the opposite.
Can not remember seeing such a strong signal for prolonged cold and wintry weather in the internet era and that includes 09/10 and Dec 10 with the signal seemingly  getting stronger by the day. We could very well be looking at a historical spell of winter weather for the UK not seen since......

Rob K
18 January 2019 12:20:43

With guidence from the ec46 and strat warming etc we could very likely be on the cusb of something really special. The 06z run and ensembles really picking up on the downwelling in the extended range with the runs a lot more believable in the mid to longer term showing a very -AO rather than the opposite.
Can not remember seeing such a strong signal for prolonged cold and wintry weather in the internet era and that includes 09/10 and Dec 10 with the signal simingly getting stronger by the day. We could very well be looking at a historical spell of winter weather for the UK not seen since......

Originally Posted by: DPower 


I think that might be a bit over the top - most of the output so far suggests maxima a couple of degrees above zero for most rather than a prolonged freeze or ice days. It's not deep -15C or -20C cold air like we have seen in the past (or even at the end of Feb last year I think the -18C isotherm just about made landfall).


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Darren S
18 January 2019 12:38:26


Absolutely crazy output here. Looks like one of Brian's upside-down charts!



Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Can we call that a "Bartlett Low"?  


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18 January 2019 12:39:58


 


Exactly Jeff. Those winds are more from a northerly as the SE low is further away on this run. Quite a low forming at 240 South Spain which might come into play later.


Edit: It does but gets interesting again later on.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


The PARA is even closer to this but the low approaching from the SW saves the day and sucks the dallying <-10 850 cold from the East coast towards it. Still one to watch in the 12s, I think


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&run=6&time=204&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 


 


 


 


 


 


Jeff


 


 


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kmoorman
18 January 2019 12:46:22


 


Can we call that a "Bartlett Low"?  


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 


Surely it's a Gaze Cyclone? 


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Stolen Snowman
18 January 2019 12:51:54


Very similar charts and set up to 6th Feb 1947: - Just a stronger Greenland block of HP back then, that's all otherwise an identical chart with LP over Baltics, HP north and LP taking a southerly track undercutting the high etc:


 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I thought that too, that it may be possible to draw some similarities with ‘47 and with the timing of the onset of cold too, Perhaps we are on the cusp of something epic..... then again.


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Heavy Weather 2013
18 January 2019 12:57:48

Ill remain on edge until some of those annoying mild stranglers go. None the less, its good to finally have something to look forward to. Its been a long wait these last 7 weeks


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DPower
18 January 2019 13:00:56


 


I think that might be a bit over the top - most of the output so far suggests maxima a couple of degrees above zero for most rather than a prolonged freeze or ice days. It's not deep -15C or -20C cold air like we have seen in the past (or even at the end of Feb last year I think the -18C isotherm just about made landfall).


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


You could of course be right but with the evidence (guidence) at hand I wouldn't bet against it at the moment. If the country saw say a cet return for the period 25th Jan to 25th Feb of -1.5c or lower that I think would be more historically significant than a four or five day bitterly cold spell. Besides I certainly would not rule out seeing some bitterly cold uppers ( -15c or lower). My thoughts from over 10 or so days ago was for deep cold by 25th which may only be a few days premature.


Isn't it great though to even have the possibility of such synoptics and weather and the discussion that goes with it.

marco 79
18 January 2019 13:09:55
GEFS 850 temps ticking along nicely under mean (-5c midlands)..Op being one of the colder solutions...
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soperman
18 January 2019 13:36:13


 


, Perhaps we are on the cusp of something epic..... then again.........


Originally Posted by: Stolen Snowman 


For me, nothing epic in view yet but I agree the pattern looks like evolving into something colder. Perhaps average or a little below the average next week.  FI brings the greater chance of deeper cold but what goes on in FI stays in FI for me.


Deep cold in the reliable time-frame with NWP consensus is what we need.


 

Quantum
18 January 2019 13:42:43


This is very interesting. Highly coherent occlusion moving across the UK. As I've said before this is exactly the sort of event where you do not need low uppers to get snow. The only downside is its a cold occlusion, a warm occlusion would be better. As such its *very marginal*. I think we need uppers of -4C to make this work, uppers are in the -2 to -3C range.


This is so margingal it could really go either way, its going to be a complete nightmare to call this one right.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Phil24
18 January 2019 13:52:43


It's all looking a bit December 1978! A blob of -12C air over the country and heavy ppn heading into the SW.


 


I think Tally has designed this one! 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Remember it well,  started Saturday evening 18th Feb 78 and by the morning we had 15 foot drifts against our house in Frome. 

Rob K
18 January 2019 14:08:41


Ill remain on edge until some of those annoying mild stranglers go. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes I much prefer the charts that are Peaches 


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Chunky Pea
18 January 2019 14:26:36

The last chart on the 'GFSP' looks very Iceagesque.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSPARAEU06_384_2.png


Warm Arctic, freakish displaced cold over the continental mid latitudes. 


 


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Bertwhistle
18 January 2019 14:44:23

London snow row total> 160. Not sure if I've seen that before.


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Richard K
18 January 2019 14:44:39
Is there anything up with the UK precip type charts for the GFSP, as they always look very psychedelic on TWO?
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kmoorman
18 January 2019 14:49:07


London snow row total> 160. Not sure if I've seen that before.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


 


Brighton up to 139


 



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ballamar
18 January 2019 15:29:07


The last chart on the 'GFSP' looks very Iceagesque.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSPARAEU06_384_2.png


Warm Arctic, freakish displaced cold over the continental mid latitudes. 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


nighttime records could be broken under that setup

nsrobins
18 January 2019 15:29:09
ICON again struggling to separate the energy off the US coast with the low dropping SE from Iceland. Consequence is the driver trough is further east and not clearly discrete which stops the high ridging north behind it.
ICON could be poor with modelling the US - we’ll find out over the weekend I guess.
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pthomps
18 January 2019 15:29:52


The last chart on the 'GFSP' looks very Iceagesque.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSPARAEU06_384_2.png


Warm Arctic, freakish displaced cold over the continental mid latitudes. 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


I see this chart comes from wetterzentrale - where are the GFSP charts located? I can't find them. (Obviously, I know where they are on TWO :-))

Rob K
18 January 2019 15:33:54


 


 


I see this chart comes from wetterzentrale - where are the GFSP charts located? I can't find them. (Obviously, I know where they are on TWO :-))


Originally Posted by: pthomps 


Go to the main GFS page and then choose PARA in the members section at bottom left. Or here: run: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&time=0&run=12&lid=PARA&h=0&tr=3&mv=0


 


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warrenb
18 January 2019 15:49:09
Good blog post about upcoming weather from the Meto. As I said, once the big boys think it is going to happen then information starts to appear.
Local council have just activated the cold weather protocol with all homeless being found shelter.

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