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Quantum
14 February 2020 14:16:10


 


Indeed, imagine if most people here and in most developed countries  did what Quantum has done since late January (reduce/stop social interactions, stockpiling etc.), more people would be harmed by the economic impacts of these actions than by the virus itself.


 


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


You only have this attitude because it isn't a pandemic yet. Everyone is complacent, apparantely, until it hits you like a ton of bricks.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
14 February 2020 14:25:20


 You only have this attitude because it isn't a pandemic yet. Everyone is complacent, apparantely, until it hits you like a ton of bricks.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I am not complacent at all; I try to stay informed and I have tried to improve my hygiene and stop touching my face etc. and I would take more measures if an epidemic occurs in Britain.


Your reaction was irrational and hysterical and if most people did what you did, then there would be more negative impacts than the virus itself.

speckledjim
14 February 2020 14:31:28


 


You only have this attitude because it isn't a pandemic yet. Everyone is complacent, apparantely, until it hits you like a ton of bricks.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


your response to all this is laughable. 3 deaths outside of China and only 9 cases confirmed in the UK. Do you stop socialising and start stockpiling at the start of every flu season?

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
four
  • four
  • Advanced Member
14 February 2020 14:35:24


 


your response to all this is laughable. 3 deaths outside of China and only 9 cases confirmed in the UK. Do you stop socialising and start stockpiling at the start of every flu season?


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 



It's not flu though is it.
Two or three cases linked to travelling on the Underground and London will be in chaos.

North York Moors weather 
Gandalf The White
14 February 2020 14:35:37


 


You only have this attitude because it isn't a pandemic yet. Everyone is complacent, apparantely, until it hits you like a ton of bricks.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


No, we have that attitude because you're behaving like one of those 'end of the world' nutters.

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Gandalf The White
14 February 2020 14:36:44




It's not flu though is it.
Two or three cases linked to travelling on the Underground and London will be in chaos.


Originally Posted by: four 


So, exactly what are you recommending?  Point scoring from your comfy sofa in your farmhouse isn't really particularly helpful.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
14 February 2020 14:37:12


 


your response to all this is laughable. 3 deaths outside of China and only 9 cases confirmed in the UK. Do you stop socialising and start stockpiling at the start of every flu season?


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Just the flu. Hundreds of times more deadly, several times more infectious, potential to be a global pandemic.

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
four
  • four
  • Advanced Member
14 February 2020 14:39:11


 


So, exactly what are you recommending?  Point scoring from your comfy sofa in your farmhouse isn't really particularly helpful.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Well not playing it down as 'like the flu' might be a start.

North York Moors weather 
xioni2
14 February 2020 14:39:30


3 deaths outside of China 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Has any explanation been offered about the very low number of deaths outside of China? Is it mainly because the health system of the affected areas of China cannot cope with the epidemic?


The ECDC still thinks that the risk of infection in the UK and the EU is very low, but the impact on the infected people is considered high.

xioni2
14 February 2020 14:41:54


 No, we have that attitude because you're behaving like one of those 'end of the world' nutters.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


He will have the last laugh though, while we'll be dropping like flies.

Gandalf The White
14 February 2020 14:42:12


 


Just the flu. Hundreds of times more deadly, several times more infectious, potential to be a global pandemic.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


ROFL


Your response to being told you are overreacting is more hype and stupidity.


'Hundreds of times more deadly' than flu would put the mortality rate at a minimum of 20%-30%


What planet are you on?

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Maunder Minimum
14 February 2020 14:44:11


 


Has any explanation been offered about the very low number of deaths outside of China? Is it mainly because the health system of the affected areas of China cannot cope with the epidemic?


The ECDC still thinks that the risk of infection in the UK and the EU is very low, but the impact on the infected people is considered high.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The tinfoil hat wearers are saying it is because of two outbreaks - a biological weapon which escaped in Wuhan and is ravaging the region, and a less serious "natural" virus which has been released to prevent the origins of the deadly virus from being exposed.


Naturally, I think the tinfoil hat brigade are completely bonkers. But there is still a question to be asked about why the death rate in the epicentre is higher than elsewhere.


 

New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
14 February 2020 14:45:44

Meanwhile, apologies if this has already been referenced:


"...


A person who became infected with coronavirus while on holiday with the “super spreader” Steve Walsh attended a transport conference yards from parliament last week.


More than 200 delegates have been urged to self-isolate if they feel ill after the patient was confirmed to have coronavirus.


..."

New world order coming.
speckledjim
14 February 2020 14:46:42


 


ROFL


Your response to being told you are overreacting is more hype and stupidity.


'Hundreds of times more deadly' than flu would put the mortality rate at a minimum of 20%-30%


What planet are you on?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 




He’s living in a fantasy world where the facts are just an inconvenience to him.


 


 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Devonian
14 February 2020 14:50:38




It's not flu though is it.
Two or three cases linked to travelling on the Underground and London will be in chaos.


Originally Posted by: four 


My god, you really have turned into Chicken Little


 

Roger Parsons
14 February 2020 14:52:44


Meanwhile, apologies if this has already been referenced:


"...


A person who became infected with coronavirus while on holiday with the “super spreader” Steve Walsh attended a transport conference yards from parliament last week.


More than 200 delegates have been urged to self-isolate if they feel ill after the patient was confirmed to have coronavirus.


..."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Ah - is this the same story as:


"Health officials have contacted hundreds of conference attendees in London, after it emerged one of them was later diagnosed with coronavirus.


The person, who has not been identified, was at the UK Bus Summit at the QEII Conference Centre last week."?


Must be.  I had thought it was a new story. Thanks.


R

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Bugglesgate
14 February 2020 14:53:01


Can't be sure as you'll see if you watch this but one of them reminds me of someone.


https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Ehgi9wkmlN2gm_WAe7yUqg


You might need to brush up on your Chinese but as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.


 


对，因为怕死 虽然这个病毒的致死率并不太高 但对胆小一族来说 要把所有的传染源都掐死在摇篮里！ 疫情之下，人的胆子能有多小？ 快来看看这位阿姨 哦不……看看这位圣诞树


Yes, because of fear of death Although the death rate of this virus is not too high, but for the timid family, all the sources of infection should be strangled in the cradle! How small can a person's guts be under an outbreak? Come and see this aunt, oh no... Look at this Christmas tree.


Thank you Google translate...


 

Originally Posted by: NMA 


Mine was slightly different :-


 


 



Yes, because of fear of death Although the lethal rate of this virus is not too high, for the timid family, all sources of infection should be strangled to death in the cradle! How small can a person's courage be under the epidemic? Come look at this aunt, oh no ... look at this Christmas tree.
 
 
I think we get the  gist.
 
 

 
 

 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Bugglesgate
14 February 2020 14:55:45


 


The tinfoil hat wearers are saying it is because of two outbreaks - a biological weapon which escaped in Wuhan and is ravaging the region, and a less serious "natural" virus which has been released to prevent the origins of the deadly virus from being exposed.


Naturally, I think the tinfoil hat brigade are completely bonkers. But there is still a question to be asked about why the death rate in the epicentre is higher than elsewhere.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


I think  the most likely explanation is that the virus has  mutated   from it's immediate post animal transition form.


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Gandalf The White
14 February 2020 15:01:25


 


Has any explanation been offered about the very low number of deaths outside of China? Is it mainly because the health system of the affected areas of China cannot cope with the epidemic?


The ECDC still thinks that the risk of infection in the UK and the EU is very low, but the impact on the infected people is considered high.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The worst of the Chinese outbreak is in Wuhan and the province of Hubei, in which Wuhan sits.  By all accounts the healthcare system there is failing - understandably, given the scale of the problem.  The number of cases and deaths amongst medicaland care workers confirms largely inadequate protective equipment and the pressures they are under.  The reports from there also suggest that anything other than cases due to the virus are being ignored or given low priority.


One day a novel virus will spin the evolutionary mutation wheel of fortune and hit the jackpot; that much is almost inevitable.  For me this is as much about learning the lessons and recognising the lessons that won't be learned.  We have become very complacent about some potentially dangerous/deadly diseases that already use us as hosts (Roger's post earlier about the MMR jab is a gray example).  There are others that the threat is rising, and will rise, due to climate change: malaria (once widespread in Europe), West Nile disease and many others.  The lessons that probably won't be learned are humans having unnecessary close contact with animals that are hosts to viruses that can jump into humans (AIDS, Ebola, this new Coronavirus, for example). Catching and killing for food and 'traditional medicines' and population growth encroaching into wild areas where these diseases are endemic in the animal populations.


The nightmare scenario is something that spreads easily in the air and surfaces (like the common cold), takes months before symptoms appear (like AIDS) and has a high death rate (like Ebola).  With our globalised world with millions travelling by air that scenario would be a real disaster.


But is this new Coronavirus the one?  The evidence says no - unless it sins the wheel some more, which seems a low risk at the moment.


 

Location: South Cambridgeshire
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52.0N 0.1E


Essan
14 February 2020 15:07:43


The tinfoil hat wearers are saying it is because of two outbreaks - a biological weapon which escaped in Wuhan and is ravaging the region, and a less serious "natural" virus which has been released to prevent the origins of the deadly virus from being exposed.


Naturally, I think the tinfoil hat brigade are completely bonkers. But there is still a question to be asked about why the death rate in the epicentre is higher than elsewhere.


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 




And, indeed, exactly what the effects of it are (sometimes it seems to cause severe diarrhea, sometimes it doesn't) and why some people are clear of it withing days of first displaying symptoms, after having little more than a mild case of 'flu, whilst others, apparently otherwise quite healthy - such as the Doctor in Wuhan who first raised the alarm - die several weeks later ....

Andy
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Quantum
14 February 2020 15:32:46


 


Has any explanation been offered about the very low number of deaths outside of China? Is it mainly because the health system of the affected areas of China cannot cope with the epidemic?


The ECDC still thinks that the risk of infection in the UK and the EU is very low, but the impact on the infected people is considered high.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Only 16% of cases outside of China have been resolved.


84% haven't. So we cannot say that the death rate is low outside of China yet.


 


 


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
14 February 2020 15:37:08


 


Only 16% of cases outside of China have been resolved.


84% haven't. So we cannot say that the death rate is low outside of China yet.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


In Singapore there have been 57 cases. 17 have been released from hospital and there are 6 in a critical condition. No one has died. There are 219 cases on the Diamond Princess, a cruise ship full of old people. There have been no deaths. These are all facts that you choose to ignore - the mortality rate outside of China is very low no matter what you try and say.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
xioni2
14 February 2020 15:38:03


 Only 16% of cases outside of China have been resolved.


84% haven't. So we cannot say that the death rate is low outside of China yet.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


What's this number for Europe?

Quantum
14 February 2020 15:40:53


 


What's this number for Europe?


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


5/44


11% resolved.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
14 February 2020 15:42:54


 


In Singapore there have been 57 cases. 17 have been released from hospital and there are 6 in a critical condition. No one has died. There are 219 cases on the Diamond Princess, a cruise ship full of old people. There have been no deaths. These are all facts that you choose to ignore - the mortality rate outside of China is very low no matter what you try and say.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


In Singapore 25% of cases have been resolved


In Japan only 4% of cases have been resolved


 


You are drawing conclusions from a tiny portion of the data.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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