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Heavy Weather 2013
20 March 2020 09:48:25

Has anybody identified a profession that’s not on the list of key workers yet? I’m struggling to be honest.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


School closures in all but name it seems. 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
John p
20 March 2020 09:48:32

Has anybody identified a profession that’s not on the list of key workers yet? I’m struggling to be honest.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


My wife is a teacher and is expecting business as usual on Monday, all staff are in.


It's a farce and more smoke and mirrors from Bozo.

Camberley, Surrey
Maunder Minimum
20 March 2020 09:49:52

Watch this video by a British nurse working in Italy - you can see why even the best resourced hospital systems end up overwhelmed - the key part is that once a patient is on a ventilator, they need it for three weeks or more - however many ventilators a service has, they won't be enough since they don't free up. For a normal pneumonia, a patient may need a ventilator for a week on average, but with COVID-19, it is indeterminate:


New world order coming.
Rob K
20 March 2020 09:52:59


 


Perhaps, but you cant deny his entrepreneurial genius. 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Nobody ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the average UK pub punter. 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
xioni2
20 March 2020 09:53:57


Watch this video by a British nurse working in Italy - you can see why even the best resourced hospital systems end up overwhelmed - the key part is that once a patient is on a ventilator, they need it for three weeks or more - however many ventilators a service has, they won't be enough since they don't free up. For a normal pneumonia, a patient may need a ventilator for a week on average, but with COVID-19, it is indeterminate:


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


This was exactly why I couldn't understand the herd immunity arguments last week. Italian ICU doctors have been so clear for 2-3 weeks now!

xioni2
20 March 2020 09:56:52


 Boris will probably say it wasn't me guv'nor, honest!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Some govt 'sources' will do even better, they might say: you wanted experts, we gave you experts!


Anyway, here is a transport of coffins in Bergamo.


Saint Snow
20 March 2020 10:02:08


As far I know, most supermarkets had issues around here yesterday with many shelves empty (even for fresh produce). Again though I think this is temporary and next week will be much better. Both demand and supply (less range, more staff) will adapt and the hunkering down mass psychology should abate a bit (famous last words!)


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


I spent about an hour & half last night looking around for some things (half for me, half for parents).


No meat (barring a few expensive cuts of steak)


No eggs


No milk (until the third store, which only had about 50 1ltr bottles left)


No loaves of bread of any kind


No pasta


Hardly any tinned goods


 


I had a rant to myself about supermarkets stocking overnight for the morning, then all the people who don't have to work stripping the shops clean so by the time working people can get there, they're sold out of almost all essentials. I think perhaps supermarkets should stagger their restocking so that people arriving past 7pm can have things to buy also.


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
xioni2
20 March 2020 10:05:53


No meat (barring a few expensive cuts of steak)


No eggs


No milk (until the third store, which only had about 50 1ltr bottles left)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I was going to say tis a good time to become vegan for a time, but you probably wouldn't do it even if your life depended on it!


Bolty
20 March 2020 10:09:11


 


This was exactly why I couldn't understand the herd immunity arguments last week. Italian ICU doctors have been so clear for 2-3 weeks now!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Let's also not forget that viruses rapidly mutate. It's the reason why cold and flu spread every year. Worse still, mutation could make the disease more severe and lethal, so the herd immunity game is a very risky one to say the least.

Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
Essan
20 March 2020 10:09:23


I spent about an hour & half last night looking around for some things (half for me, half for parents).


No meat (barring a few expensive cuts of steak)


No eggs


No milk (until the third store, which only had about 50 1ltr bottles left)


No loaves of bread of any kind


No pasta


Hardly any tinned goods


I had a rant to myself about supermarkets stocking overnight for the morning, then all the people who don't have to work stripping the shops clean so by the time working people can get there, they're sold out of almost all essentials. I think perhaps supermarkets should stagger their restocking so that people arriving past 7pm can have things to buy also.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



On the plus side, I have found here, at least, the shops are much quieter than normal when I pop in after work and I'd go without the odd thing (I have enough supplies to last 4 weeks anyway) than join the heaving throngs of virus spreaders in the morning!

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Gooner
20 March 2020 10:09:34


 


My wife is a teacher and is expecting business as usual on Monday, all staff are in.


It's a farce and more smoke and mirrors from Bozo.


Originally Posted by: John p 


Complete and utter farce 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


xioni2
20 March 2020 10:11:08

The dirty frog Barnier has passed his european corona to HM negotiator Sir David Frost. The EU is nasty and vindictive!


 

westv
20 March 2020 10:11:40

So which "key workers" shouldn't be in the "key workers" list then?

At least it will be mild!
Retron
20 March 2020 10:11:48


What percentage is that of your school population? In some areas I'd expect 75% of kids to be in school next week.


Originally Posted by: John p 


12%, pretty much. I'd be surprised if it was that low TBH!

Leysdown, north Kent
Essan
20 March 2020 10:12:28

btw just because you are a "key worker" doesn't mean your children have to go to school - only that they are allowed to if no other options for looking after them (friends, neighbours, relatives) exist and you would otherwise be forced to take time off work.

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Maunder Minimum
20 March 2020 10:15:14


btw just because you are a "key worker" doesn't mean your children have to go to school - only that they are allowed to if no other options for looking after them (friends, neighbours, relatives) exist and you would otherwise be forced to take time off work.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Good point. I guess people can also dip in and out as need dictates as well.

New world order coming.
Ulric
20 March 2020 10:16:22


I know, depending how the US does, we could easily end up having the highest number of deaths globally. As the number of deaths starts climbing Johnson will soon start his pseudo-Churchillian stuff and the most of the Tory press will switch to apocalyptic crisis like mode and try to suppress criticism.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


As a nation, we are in a fairly precarious position IMHO. The US has different problems because their population will happily ignore government advice/regulation and a significant number actively avoid engagement with the healthcare system for fear of bankruptcy.


Britons are buying pasta and bog roll whilst Americans are buying guns and ammo. They are actually more frightened of each other than of the virus.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Saint Snow
20 March 2020 10:16:47

The mortality figures are very hard to disentangle. In particular, the disparate testing regimes and lag between infection and detection are confounding factors. I'm sure that the UKs figures are high due to preferential testing of the very sick - not including a sample of the population at large. The figures from other nations are distorted in other ways by their own local policy and it is impossible to get figures which are on the same basis.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


 


Absolutely. 


The figures in any particular country can give an idea of how the spread/severity is increasing/decreasing for that particular country, but comparing different countries using data that is collected very differently is pointless (apart, of course, the number of deaths.... that data tends to be uniform no matter the country)


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
John p
20 March 2020 10:18:02


btw just because you are a "key worker" doesn't mean your children have to go to school - only that they are allowed to if no other options for looking after them (friends, neighbours, relatives) exist and you would otherwise be forced to take time off work.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Bingo.  However most parents seem to hate their little darlings so will send them in as they have 'permission'.


 


 

Camberley, Surrey
Essan
20 March 2020 10:18:16

And just because you work in a sector that is listed as including "key workers" does not mean you yourself are one.    For example, banks are mentioned, but most bank employees will not be key workers.

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Saint Snow
20 March 2020 10:18:36


btw just because you are a "key worker" doesn't mean your children have to go to school - only that they are allowed to if no other options for looking after them (friends, neighbours, relatives) exist and you would otherwise be forced to take time off work.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Yep. My missus works for the NHS (she works in a hospital on the ordering of supplies) and technically, she is classed as a key worker. But our girls are 16 & 12 and will be staying off school.


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Phil G
20 March 2020 10:18:37


 


School closures in all but name it seems. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It's the Mum's who sit at home and do nothing that will have to look after their kids.

Maunder Minimum
20 March 2020 10:20:36

Some real statistics from France:


 According to the Agence Régionale de Santé, the number of infection cases in Île-de-France involves 2693 people this March 18th. It's the number of people hospitalized in Île-de-France.


So those numbers are just for those hospitalised in that region.

New world order coming.
David M Porter
20 March 2020 10:21:23


 


Madine Dorries, 62, and her 84 year old mum both recovered fully with no trouble. If they can do it, so can we all


This thing is going to rip anyway. No point trying to hide from it. 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Thanks for being so reassuring!


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Saint Snow
20 March 2020 10:21:32


I was going to say tis a good time to become vegan for a time, but you probably wouldn't do it even if your life depended on it!



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


If there was no other culinary option, I would class myself an "enforced temporary vegan under objection"


I like eating animal flesh.


Apart from bats. And pangolins. Obvs.


 


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan

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