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Gooner
22 March 2020 19:06:20


So the JFF model predicted 1303 cases today and we actually saw 665.


So perhaps expect an overshoot tommorow? 2000+ rather than the expected 1480.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


What were the test numbers today ? 


 


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Maunder Minimum
22 March 2020 19:06:23


 


What do you make of today's reduction in UK deaths?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


On this site, we are all weather model followers, so we understand the difference between signal and noise.


So nothing to make of today's reduction in UK deaths, unless it is sustained.


Italy on the other hand, appears to be finally turning the corner, but at what cost? Italy won't have an economy worth the name after this for a long time.


There certainly won't be an early uptick in tourist numbers, even once Italy has the situation finally under control. Same goes for Spain and for France.


 


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Gooner
22 March 2020 19:07:33

Can I ask why the testing numbers aren't consistent ?


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Rob K
22 March 2020 19:08:43
Did the 18 year old casualty have any other health problems? I assume so otherwise this would have been bigger news surely. Not that it makes this any less sad, of course.
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Caz
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22 March 2020 19:10:34


Can I ask why the testing numbers aren't consistent ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

You can ask, but nobody here can explain it!


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Gooner
22 March 2020 19:13:37


You can ask, but nobody here can explain it!


Originally Posted by: Caz 



I just thought it would be more structured and organised , I saw what Korea was doing and it looked as they meant business 


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fairweather
22 March 2020 19:19:08


I don't know what to make of the up and downs of cases and deaths , so confusing for all . I have just had a message from a mate saying " we are on top of this now , we should see a daily drop " 


Cases reported on Mar 14th 342 , then they dropped on 15th 251 and dropped again on 16th 152 ……...so a job to understand it all 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I don't think it is confusing. We have poor and limited data. Standard deviation is massive. It will be going up rapidly with a few dips and peaks on the way. Anything else is extremely unlikely. We have no right to think we are in a different place to every other Country in the world.


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RobN
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22 March 2020 19:19:19


 


 I do not think a one day death rate reduction means much ,especially as it is Sunday. As for more being shut down many will think ,look at Italy , it is not helping there yet.nor Spain . Is a virus not airborne so a 2 metre gap and washing hands might help but not stop it spreading.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Quite.


There's been no time yet for the very recent UK measures (widely flouted) to have had any effect on the rate of deaths.


Italy, Spain, France still not seeing any really dramatic benefits of their measures in the death count.


There's huge uncertainty about the incubation period  (time from exposure to the development of symptoms).


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Lionel Hutz
22 March 2020 19:20:36


 


 I do not think a one day death rate reduction means much ,especially as it is Sunday. As for more being shut down many will think ,look at Italy , it is not helping there yet.nor Spain . Is a virus not airborne so a 2 metre gap and washing hands might help but not stop it spreading.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


The reason why lockdown hasn't worked in Italy or Spain is time lag. We will see a steady drop in cases there next week. I expect that cases there will fall to low levels by the end of April. However, one problem that I fear is that cases will hang around at a low level for some time thereafter so guards can't be dropped completely. 


 


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fairweather
22 March 2020 19:21:26


 


I think we should have shut down even more by now. Although if the death rate has peaked then the government and advisers will be able to say they've handled this quite well.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think people should know the difference between the GFS 18z operational and the ensembles by now! The same caveats apply. More runs needed.


 


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Caz
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22 March 2020 19:26:37


 



I just thought it would be more structured and organised , I saw what Korea was doing and it looked as they meant business 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Actually, it probably can be explained. We are only testing hospital admissions now, so I guess the numbers tested depend on how many people are admitted.  That could also mean that low testing numbers are good!  But who really knows?  


I think the only numbers that matter are death rates.  Even then it’s hard to glean anything of real statistical value, as we don’t know what ‘underlying problems’ means.  We don’t know how many of those were at ‘end of life’ and even if other countries are using the same criteria.


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Saint Snow
22 March 2020 19:31:57

An odd day. 


We visited my parents - but went round the side into the back garden and stayed about 15ft away, whilst they sat on the patio. Kept conversation light, and the dog made a big fuss of them.


Then went on to a quiet canal path for a long walk with the dog. It was nearly 5pm so even quieter than I presume it had been eearlier. Encountered two groups walking towards us, both times gave each other wide berths with a smile and a 'hello'.


Trying to milk as much normality out this situation as I can, because I hate all the disruption (even if I agree it's necessary)



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roadrunnerajn
22 March 2020 19:34:47


But he’s asymptomatic and ‘feeling fine’.  So not really poetic justice!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


The symptoms will probably set in later. He’s got the virus not the antibodies.


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bledur
22 March 2020 19:35:45


 


The reason why lockdown hasn't worked in Italy or Spain is time lag. We will see a steady drop in cases there next week. I expect that cases there will fall to low levels by the end of April. However, one problem that I fear is that cases will hang around at a low level for some time thereafter so guards can't be dropped completely. 


 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

Spain locked down at 200 deaths so i am not so sure. The rate in Italy will fall off but that is surely because so many people have been infected , severely and virtually symptomless

Saint Snow
22 March 2020 19:43:42

My alcohol intake has substantially increased these past 2-3 weeks 



Not been drunk at all, but having 2 and maybe 3 drinks instead of 1.



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Ulric
22 March 2020 19:53:45


My alcohol intake has substantially increased these past 2-3 weeks 



Not been drunk at all, but having 2 and maybe 3 drinks instead of 1.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The opposite. I normally have two beers after work but haven't now had a drink for 10 days. I never drink at home because I don't really drink anything except real ale. Bottled beer doesn't do it for me and I don't drink wine or spirits except very rarely on big social occasions.


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Gavin D
22 March 2020 19:59:51


Status of COVID-19


As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.




Quote


 The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.


The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.


The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.


Cases of COVID-19 are no longer managed by HCID treatment centres only. All healthcare workers managing possible and confirmed cases should follow the updated national infection and prevention (IPC) guidance for COVID-19, which supersedes all previous IPC guidance for COVID-19. This guidance includes instructions about different personal protective equipment (PPE) ensembles that are appropriate for different clinical scenarios. 





https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid


xioni2
22 March 2020 20:02:05


 Can someone attempt to answer the question as to why hotels were not ordered to close on Friday along with pubs,restaurants etc??


I work in the sector and am baffled by it as you can walk into most hotels as a non resident and eat in the restaurant and drink at the bar.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


I was thinking of this post during my walk today. We passed by a hotel in the countryside today, the car park was overflowing and it was obvious that the restaurant was full (it's not even a very good restaurant!). If just 1-2 members of staff are carriers, then they would probably have infected several of the customers today and a week or so later a nice cluster would develop in the area and some people (not necessarily customers!) could then die. This is all hypothetical of course, but why take such a risk?


Both the govt and some people still don't get it.


 

Caz
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22 March 2020 20:03:07


An odd day. 


We visited my parents - but went round the side into the back garden and stayed about 15ft away, whilst they sat on the patio. Kept conversation light, and the dog made a big fuss of them.


Then went on to a quiet canal path for a long walk with the dog. It was nearly 5pm so even quieter than I presume it had been eearlier. Encountered two groups walking towards us, both times gave each other wide berths with a smile and a 'hello'.


Trying to milk as much normality out this situation as I can, because I hate all the disruption (even if I agree it's necessary)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Sounds like you did the right thing!  


The only parent we have between us now is hubby’s step mum.  The family have taken her essential shopping items that she said she needed and to avoid contact, they’ve hung bags on her door handle and talked to her through the window.  Bro in law mowed her lawns yesterday but didn’t go in the house and today hubby left her a Mother’s Day card and plant plus outside and did the window communication thing.  


Tonight, she phoned to thank me for sending the paracetamol, milk and Mother’s Day gifts.  I asked if there was anything else she needed and she said, ‘oh no thanks, I’ll manage until I go shopping on Wednesday’!    Jeez!  I know this is hard but it’s much harder than hard!  


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Ulric
22 March 2020 20:04:47


Can someone attempt to answer the question as to why hotels were not ordered to close on Friday along with pubs,restaurants etc??


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Usual thing. Someone's mate owns a hotel chain.


Come to think of it, Trump owns a few doesn't he?


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Rob K
22 March 2020 20:06:12
Not sure if this has been shared but bloody hell.

https://twitter.com/bendyben999/status/1241443836230021120?s=21 
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Gavin D
22 March 2020 20:13:50

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 665 (-370)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (+42) - New daily high for recovered patients 

  • Total UK deaths - 281 (+48)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Hampshire: 156

  2. Southwark: 139

  3. Brent: 128

  4. Lambeth: 127

  5. Westminster: 117

  6. Wandsworth: 110

  7. Harrow: 103

  8. Ealing: 97

  9. Hertfordshire: 92

  10. Birmingham: 91


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Middlesbrough: 1

  • Blackburn with Darwen: 1

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 1

  • North East Lincolnshire: 1

  • Telford and Wrekin: 1

  • Hartlepool: 2

  • North Lincolnshire: 2

  • Stoke-on-Trent: 2

  • Peterborough: 2

  • Isle of Wight: 2


Regional data



  • London - 2,189 (+224)

  • Midlands - 624 (+133)

  • South East - 536 (+44)

  • North West - 390 (+78)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 368 (+70)

  • East of England - 274 (+53)

  • South West - 242 (+26)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today.

Bugglesgate
22 March 2020 20:14:22


 


The opposite. I normally have two beers after work but haven't now had a drink for 10 days. I never drink at home because I don't really drink anything except real ale. Bottled beer doesn't do it for me and I don't drink wine or spirits except very rarely on big social occasions.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I'm below average as well.I don't tend to drink much at home and have  been giving pubs a miss for a week or so now.  The only thing I'm vaguely tempted by is  the bottle of Rumbullion  I have  on the sideboard but that's in reserve for if things get really grim !


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Gandalf The White
22 March 2020 20:15:21

Not sure if this has been shared but bloody hell.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

">https://twitter.com/bendyben999/status/1241443836230021120?s=21


But the average figure is 3 people not 10, if that's the part to which you are referring? 


10 would put it up with Measles and twice as contagious as Mumps & Rubella and 5x to 10x seasonal influenza.


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Bugglesgate
22 March 2020 20:19:25


But the average figure is 3 people not 10, if that's the part to which you are referring? 


10 would put it up with Measles and twice as contagious as Mumps & Rubella and 5x to 10x seasonal influenza.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


I think he was referring to the daft bint that  was intent on going "walkabout" after receiving a Corona virus diagnosis


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