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speckledjim
21 April 2020 12:38:56


 


It is far too soon, is it not, to make any judgements?  I could cite Japan as an example of where the virus has got out of control after being quite well managed. The characteristics of the virus haven't changed so it is just as infectious and just as prone to result in hospitalisation and death. That's not government propaganda, its looking at the scientific evidence.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Its also nigh on impossible to compare 2 countries as there are so many factors in play - ethnic makeup, population density, age of population, social factors etc etc etc.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Quantum
21 April 2020 12:39:28


 


It is worth pondering how just two individuals can be responsible for the erosion of herd immunity to measles, Mumps and rubella.  Nobody else involved?  Nobody could have prevented it? 


That's to say that his judgment wasn't suspect but if you eliminated everyone who has ever made a serious misjudgement in their lives you'd not have that many left.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


But if you are the editor of one of the most prodigous medical journals you have responsibilities. Screwing up and then not taking the fall brings the entire thing into disrepute. Essentially its the Scottish CMO but actually even worse (credit where credit is due Sturgeon did eventually make the right call). Anti vax is a movement that thrived as a result of the Wakefield paper and Horton, as the editor of that journal, could have prevented all of it. He has no moral ground at all to stand on and it is amazing to me that he still enjoys his position despite the mother of all clusterfucks he played a crucial role in.


 


 

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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
21 April 2020 12:45:56

Number of Deaths in Scotland are +70

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


That's a huge jump 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
21 April 2020 12:48:26


 


Its also nigh on impossible to compare 2 countries as there are so many factors in play - ethnic makeup, population density, age of population, social factors etc etc etc.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Transport infrastrutrue is an important one too.


NI has not had that many cases, I suspect, partly due to its abysmal transport infrastructure.

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
llamedos
21 April 2020 12:49:48


 


That's a huge jump 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Disappointingly high compared to previous days

"Life with the Lions"

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Phil G
21 April 2020 12:56:55


Disappointing high compared to previous days


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Seems to go up on a Tuesday. Read somewhere that South Essex did not report any figs yesterday for some reason. If others done the same, we can only expect a large jump. We should be using something like a 5 day rolling average to 'clean up' the distortions somewhat. We can't and should not take one day in isolation, but we do!

westv
21 April 2020 12:59:22


 


Seems to go up on a Tuesday. Read somewhere that South Essex did not report any figs yesterday for some reason. If others done the same, we can only expect a large jump. We should be using something like a 5 day rolling average to 'clean up' the distortions somewhat. We can't and shoukd not take one day in isolation, but we do!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Didn't someone post a rolling average figure on here on one of the other threads?

At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
21 April 2020 12:59:33
Wales has reported 304 new infections and 25 new deaths
llamedos
21 April 2020 13:00:36


 


Seems to go up on a Tuesday. Read somewhere that South Essex did not report any figs yesterday for some reason. If others done the same, we can only expect a large jump. We should be using something like a 5 day rolling average to 'clean up' the distortions somewhat. We can't and shoukd not take one day in isolation, but we do!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 

You're right, but Scottish figures seem to have been a little more consistent I thought?


 

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Gavin D
21 April 2020 13:01:46
Scotland has reported 222 new cases and 70 new deaths
bledur
21 April 2020 13:06:25

Coronavirus: Deaths at 20-year high but peak may be over


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John p
21 April 2020 13:07:41

778 further deaths in England reported yesterday. That’s more than last Tuesday (which may have had an Easter lag). 

Camberley, Surrey
Gooner
21 April 2020 13:11:07


778 further deaths in England reported yesterday. That’s more than last Tuesday (which may have had an Easter lag). 


Originally Posted by: John p 


And that's no surprise to me , as I suggested yesterday 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gavin D
21 April 2020 13:12:07
NHS England report 778 new deaths up from 429 yesterday
Gavin D
21 April 2020 13:16:29

Breakdown on the 778 new deaths in England by date. 357 of the deaths announced today are backlogged from Saturday and Sunday.


 



  • 136 on April 20th

  • 236 on April 19th

  • 121 on April 18th

  • 242 between April 1st and April 17th

  • 43 deaths in March with one on March 21st

The Beast from the East
21 April 2020 13:22:48


 


 


I have not critisized Labour since this began


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Labour is not in charge, so why would you?


I know you and others dont like it but its very important for people to freely criticise the govt, even during a "war". They have stuffed up on many levels and whats worse is they spread lies to cover their tracks such as creating fake social media accounts to spread disinformation. They are using the same dirty tactics deployed in the referendum and recent election.


The "tribalism" you condemn is exactly the reason why you cant see anything wrong with this sort of behaviour from Rasputin


 


 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
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The Beast from the East
21 April 2020 13:26:15


778 further deaths in England reported yesterday. That’s more than last Tuesday (which may have had an Easter lag). 


Originally Posted by: John p 


The rate of increase is still a bit less than last weeks lag, so the numbers are trending the right way. 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Maunder Minimum
21 April 2020 13:31:05

Latest news from Denmark:


http://cphpost.dk/?p=113184


"Coronavirus Round-Up: Denmark scraps millions of inferior face masks"


And:


https://www.thelocal.dk/20200420/denmark-to-start-testing-anyone-with-symptoms-for-coronavirus


"Denmark starts testing everyone with symptoms for coronavirus"

New world order coming.
Quantum
21 April 2020 13:31:33


 


Labour is not in charge, so why would you?


I know you and others dont like it but its very important for people to freely criticise the govt, even during a "war". They have stuffed up on many levels and whats worse is they spread lies to cover their tracks such as creating fake social media accounts to spread disinformation. They are using the same dirty tactics deployed in the referendum and recent election.


The "tribalism" you condemn is exactly the reason why you cant see anything wrong with this sort of behaviour from Rasputin


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


What level? Please enlighten me what level of reality exists between the lockdown not being severe enough and you proudly declaring you will do everything you can to avoid it including going to the pub because 'you just can'?


By failure I assume you mean the government hasn't spoon fed people like you enough? Right?

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
21 April 2020 13:32:54

April 8th remains England's deadliest day of Covid-19 with 815 deaths in a single day.

Heavy Weather 2013
21 April 2020 13:39:18


April 8th remains England's deadliest day of Covid-19 with 815 deaths in a single day.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Do Scotland, NI and Wales report their data in the same format?

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Saint Snow
21 April 2020 13:54:24


 


You trust Horton, the guy that was, in part, responsible for one of the biggest public health disasters of all time?


And that is not an exaggeration. Horton published the Andrew Wakefield study. This is a study that is still doing damage today, 22 years later. It was almost single handedly responsible for the anti vax movement. Horton basically shirked all responsibility for this astronomically sized foul up.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


That is only one very small aspect of the whole propagandist misinformation campaign that this government has utilised from the outset.


Nice obfuscation tactic, though. 


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Gandalf The White
21 April 2020 13:54:51


 


And that's no surprise to me , as I suggested yesterday 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


You did indeed and my optimism was misplaced.


The breakdown is important, though: a lot of catching up in there again.

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Gandalf The White
21 April 2020 13:58:40


 


 


That is only one very small aspect of the whole propagandist misinformation campaign that this government has utilised from the outset.


Nice obfuscation tactic, though. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I think you're giving them more credit than they deserve. To suggest a propaganda campaign implies they knew what they were doing and had a clear plan.

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Roger Parsons
21 April 2020 14:05:58


I think you're giving them more credit than they deserve. To suggest a propaganda campaign implies they knew what they were doing and had a clear plan.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
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