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westv
09 May 2020 07:58:01
If/when garden centres reopen we won't be able to go unless they also reopen their toilet facilities as my wife will need to make use of them.
At least it will be mild!
Gandalf The White
09 May 2020 07:58:18


">https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/08/lockdown-fanatics-scare-me-far-more-than-covid-19/


And yet the conservative ONS estimates suggest that by last week, the death toll had reached 10% of Ferguson's worst-case scenario with a lockdown. 


 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Four inhabits his own weird universe where reality is simply ignored if it doesn’t fit his fixed opinions. Then he goes to his usual preferred sources to cherry pick and bias confirmation.


 


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The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:00:13


 


It is no more voluntary than any other legally enforceable action surely? With spot checks, fines and the threat of deportation I am not sure it is “voluntary”?


Re. Taking addresses etc. I believe that is exactly what is being proposed.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


And you believe them? Your Tory govt has cut the police so much that they cant even investigate burglaries and muggings anymore. They are overwhelmed and this is going to be low priority. Are they going to break down the door to check a person is in, if they don't answer the doorbell?


In China, they bus you straight from the airport to hotels, and make sure you dont leave for 14 days.


 


 


 


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speckledjim
09 May 2020 08:01:53

If/when garden centres reopen we won't be able to go unless they also reopen their toilet facilities as my wife will need to make use of them.

Originally Posted by: westv 


Looks like they are opening on Wednesday. I'm sure that toilet facilities will be open but cafes won't.


"A senior government source told the BBC centres can reopen from Wednesday, if they comply with social distancing".


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Justin W
09 May 2020 08:01:56

If/when garden centres reopen we won't be able to go unless they also reopen their toilet facilities as my wife will need to make use of them.

Originally Posted by: westv 


Garden centres will immediately become absolute hell holes. For hundreds of thousands of people they will be the only option for a "nice day out" while others will be desperate to buy up as many plants as possible. I imagine that social distancing will immediately go out of the window in the scrum at these places. Big mistake allowing them to reopen now, IMO.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:03:42

If/when garden centres reopen we won't be able to go unless they also reopen their toilet facilities as my wife will need to make use of them.

Originally Posted by: westv 


 


I would imagine they would be required to by H & S legislation, and disabled ones too


Though a public loo is the last place I would want to go near at the moment, let alone in normal times!


She would be better off using a pad


 


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Ulric
09 May 2020 08:03:55


It is no more voluntary than any other legally enforceable action surely? With spot checks, fines and the threat of deportation I am not sure it is “voluntary”?


Re. Taking addresses etc. I believe that is exactly what is being proposed.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Taking addresses does not constitute enforcement. Without active enforcement, the measures are ineffective.


The repeating pattern which we see from this government is that there are plenty of rules but enforcement only occurs sporadically and then only against out-groups. Those unfortunates whom the law binds but does not protect.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
doctormog
09 May 2020 08:05:23


 


And you believe them? Your Tory govt has cut the police so much that they cant even investigate burglaries and muggings anymore. They are overwhelmed and this is going to be low priority. Are they going to break down the door to check a person is in, if they don't answer the doorbell?


In China, they bus you straight from the airport to hotels, and make sure you dont leave for 14 days.


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


It is irrelevant to my point whether I believe them or not.


Ulric seems to have ignored the proposed enforcement measures totally. Perhaps he can’t work out if having them is “Libertarian” or not.


Devonian
09 May 2020 08:06:00


"https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/08/lockdown-fanatics-scare-me-far-more-than-covid-19/

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


And yet the conservative ONS estimates suggest that by last week, the death toll had reached 10% of Ferguson's worst-case scenario with a lockdown. 


 



Steady, that's just the 'proof' the lockdown isn't working four needs...

The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:06:19


 


Garden centres will immediately become absolute hell holes. For hundreds of thousands of people they will be the only option for a "nice day out" while others will be desperate to buy up as many plants as possible. I imagine that social distancing will immediately go out of the window in the scrum at these places. Big mistake allowing them to reopen now, IMO.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


And they are hubs for old people anyway, who stand around chatting. I feel sorry for the staff. Even though they are mostly young people who may not be affected, I would rather they were kept on furlough for as long as needed


 


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Gavin D
09 May 2020 08:08:00

​ Garden centres in England will be allowed to open from Wednesday




Quote


 


Garden centres in England will be allowed to open from Wednesday as part of first-step measures to gradually ease the coronavirus-related lockdown. The prime minister will announce on Sunday that garden centres will be allowed to open their doors to customers from 13 May.


Bosses will have to make sure visitors stick to strict social distancing measures, such as keeping two metres away from others, and will be expected to put restrictions in place to control shop numbers in a similar way to supermarkets. UK supermarkets have introduced queuing systems and one-way aisles to limit the interaction customers and staff have with one another, while also creating cleaning stations where trolley and basket handles can be disinfected. 





https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-garden-centres-to-reopen-as-first-steps-to-ease-lockdown-revealed-11985532


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llamedos
09 May 2020 08:08:47

From the BBC:


Coronavirus: How they tried to curb Spanish flu pandemic in 1918


 


"It is dangerous to draw too many parallels between coronavirus and the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, that killed at least 50 million people around the world.


Covid-19 is an entirely new disease, which disproportionately affects older people. The deadly strain of influenza that swept the globe in 1918 tended to strike those aged between 20 and 30, with strong immune systems.


But the actions taken by governments and individuals to prevent the spread of infection have a familiar ring to them.


Public Health England studied the Spanish flu outbreak to draw up its initial contingency plan for coronavirus, the key lesson being that the second wave of the disease, in the autumn of 1918, proved to be far more deadly than the first."


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52564371


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westv
09 May 2020 08:10:45


 


Garden centres will immediately become absolute hell holes. For hundreds of thousands of people they will be the only option for a "nice day out" while others will be desperate to buy up as many plants as possible. I imagine that social distancing will immediately go out of the window in the scrum at these places. Big mistake allowing them to reopen now, IMO.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Isn't it the garden centre cafe that often seems to be the centre of those days out? 


At least it will be mild!
Lionel Hutz
09 May 2020 08:12:35


 


It is no more voluntary than any other legally enforceable action surely? With spot checks, fines and the threat of deportation I am not sure it is “voluntary”?


Re. Taking addresses etc. I believe that is exactly what is being proposed.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I didn't explain "voluntary" very well. What I mean is that if there is no way of following up on people coming into the country and checking whether they really are self isolating, then any rules on self isolation will in effect be voluntary. Fair enough, if there are enough spot checks and a system of fines, that's ok.


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Justin W
09 May 2020 08:13:07

At virtually every step, HMG has either dithered or made the wrong decision:


• Not closing our borders in January/February when it was clear that a highly infectious new virus was on the march


• Allowing major sporting events to go ahead in mid March


• Not locking down society two weeks earlier


• The ongoing PPE fiasco


• The care homes disaster


• The briefing about relaxing lockdown from Monday


• And now the forthcoming garden centres disaster


On the plus side, Sunak's furlough scheme, business interruption loans and grants and for the self-employed were timely and well conceived at pace. But the messaging on this has been soured by the very poorly advised comments about people becoming "addicted to state aid". And if Sunak withdraws these measures too soon (as he is threatening), there will be a far worse economic and social disaster.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:13:24

Poland has postponed it's presidential election.
https://www.france24.com/en/20200506-poland-postpones-may-10-presidential-election-over-covid-19-fears

How long before our lot spot the opportunity being presented here? They've previously struggled to find excuses to end democracy in the UK, only succeeding in limited cases, but I'm sure the effective policy implementation being carried out by covid-19 will not be lost on them.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


There is no election anyway for years, and Bozo I suspect will not serve a second term. He is already bored of this and has achieved what he wanted - Brexit glory and his name up on the Old Etonians Hall of Fame


But Trump could easily use this as a pretext to suspend the US election and keep himself in power. It would go to the Supreme Court, but he has now installed his right wing stooges, including Maunder's hero - the sex pervert Kavanaugh


US death toll running at 1000 a day and fast approaching 80,000


 


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SJV
09 May 2020 08:17:57


 


I didn't explain "voluntary" very well. What I mean is that if there is no way of following up on people coming into the country and checking whether they really are self isolating, then any rules on self isolation will in effect be voluntary. Fair enough, if there are enough spot checks and a system of fines, that's ok.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


The problem with that last line is that we don't have enough resources to effectively carry it out. It's a token gesture.

The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:18:01


At virtually every step, HMG has either dithered or made the wrong decision:


• Not closing our borders in January/February when it was clear that a highly infectious new virus was on the march


• Allowing major sporting events to go ahead in mid March


• Not locking down society two weeks earlier


• The ongoing PPE fiasco


• The care homes disaster


• The briefing about relaxing lockdown from Monday


• And now the forthcoming garden centres disaster


On the plus side, Sunak's furlough scheme, business interruption loans and grants and for the self-employed were timely and well conceived at pace. But the messaging on this has been soured by the very poorly advised comments about people becoming "addicted to state aid". And if Sunak withdraws these measures too soon (as he is threatening), there will be a far worse economic and social disaster.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Agreed, but the people going back to work in Garden centres etc, do they automatically come off the furlough? What happens if some are not required. Will they just be sacked and have to go on Universal credit?


This is a recipe for mass unemployment


 


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speckledjim
09 May 2020 08:19:57
Spain are easing many restrictions on Monday except for worst hit areas such as Madrid. Hopefully it won't result in a surge of new cases....
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:20:28


 


The problem with that last line is that we don't have enough resources to effectively carry it out. It's a token gesture.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Gesture politics is what Vote Leave and the New Brexit party is all about. 


And the plebs are so gaslit by 40 years of media lies that they fall for it


 


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Lionel Hutz
09 May 2020 08:22:46


 


The problem with that last line is that we don't have enough resources to effectively carry it out. It's a token gesture.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Yes but even if not everyone is actually spot checked, the majority will follow the rules if there is a reasonable possibility of being checked. Hopefully, your lot will do it better than ours so far. Apparently, a third of people coming into Irish ports and airports didn't even leave an address. Which will make spot checks rather hard to carry out. 


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four
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09 May 2020 08:23:04
Another interesting read which highlights clear evidence that the way to spread CV-19 is for people to be in close contact with each other for longer periods.
Passing in the street, and most normal activities (combined with hand-washing hygene and not touching face) would need you to be mighty unlucky.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87602 

Cevik (rightly) asserts that close and prolonged contact is required for Covid-19 transmission, suggesting that the risk is highest in enclosed environments: household; long-term care facilities; and public transport.
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 08:24:02

Even Brillo is not impressed


 




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Justin W
09 May 2020 08:26:00


Even Brillo is not impressed


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Neil has been savaging HMG throughout this. He has been forensic. Unlike the droning Peston, vapid Kuenssberg etc.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Northern Sky
09 May 2020 08:26:02


 


Four inhabits his own weird universe where reality is simply ignored if it doesn’t fit his fixed opinions. Then he goes to his usual preferred sources to cherry pick and bias confirmation.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Four linked an article by Brenden O Neill who I find very difficult to read these days but there has actually been a couple of really interesting (and evidence based) articles on Spiked by Professor Wilfred Reilly. They are primarily US focussed but they raise some important questions about the effectiveness of lockdowns. 


https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/08/the-lockdowns-still-arent-working/


The data is a bit technical for me but I'm sure Q/Lanky and others would be able to get to grips with it!


Again, I'm not saying this is right, I just think we need to look at different sides to the debate and keep an open mind.


 

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