What is it with you lot and war analogies!

We cant fight a virus like you do with the Hun

The best way to fight a virus is to stay apart and minimise any social interaction as far as possible

And if you catch the virus, you don't "fight" it by carrying on working. You try to sleep or get as much rest as possible

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Quick thought this morning. Where is Boris Johnson.

I have noticed that he does seem disappear for a good number of days and certainly doesn’t feel visible.

I know he did PMQs, but isn’t it right that a PM should make more than 1 public appearance in a week.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

'Interesting' chat over the garden fence with my Philippino born neighbour whose family are there. She said as regards infections they hadn't done 'too bad' over there. People have been kept to their own areas of the country by number plate recognition which depicts what district you live in.
Much surmising and conspiracy theories here on what caused the virus outbreak. Over there, just one source but they are saying it was germ warfare in development which managed to escape. I asked what nothing to do with bats or pangolins, and she said nope. The Chinese are being so secretive, they could totally erase any indication of such practice.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

Meanwhile, China clearly has something to hide:

"The bitter battle between China and Australia has now exploded onto the world stage, after 100 nations joined Canberra in calling for an inquiry into the spread of coronavirus, including the UK. The European Union, alongside several other countries including the UK, Australia and New Zealand, are pushing for an inquiry into how the pandemic has been handled and what lessons can be learned. In April, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison demanded an independent probe into the deadly respiratory virus and the World Health Organisation 's handling of the crisis. In response, Chinese state media and leaders warned of trade retribution that could wipe $135billion from the Australian economy. After weeks of threatening to boycott the meat and barley industries and restrict travel and foreign education opportunities, China on Monday announced an 80.5 per cent levy on barley exports starting on Tuesday."

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

'Interesting' chat over the garden fence with my Philippino born neighbour whose family are there. She said as regards infections they hadn't done 'too bad' over there. People have been kept to their own areas of the country by number plate recognition which depicts what district you live in.
Much surmising and conspiracy theories here on what caused the virus outbreak. Over there, just one source but they are saying it was germ warfare in development which managed to escape. I asked what nothing to do with bats or pangolins, and she said nope. The Chinese are being so secretive, they could totally erase any indication of such practice.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

We cant fight a virus like you do with the Hun

The best way to fight a virus is to stay apart and minimise any social interaction as far as possible

And if you catch the virus, you don't "fight" it by carrying on working. You try to sleep or get as much rest as possible

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Maunder, I have found you on Twitter!

He's running the country and still recovering from Chinese virus that came from a Chinese lab. Morgan just like the left-wing full of nothing to offer.

— Richard (@BrexitTrump2020) May 19, 2020

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Meanwhile, China clearly has something to hide:

"The bitter battle between China and Australia has now exploded onto the world stage, after 100 nations joined Canberra in calling for an inquiry into the spread of coronavirus, including the UK. The European Union, alongside several other countries including the UK, Australia and New Zealand, are pushing for an inquiry into how the pandemic has been handled and what lessons can be learned. In April, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison demanded an independent probe into the deadly respiratory virus and the World Health Organisation 's handling of the crisis. In response, Chinese state media and leaders warned of trade retribution that could wipe $135billion from the Australian economy. After weeks of threatening to boycott the meat and barley industries and restrict travel and foreign education opportunities, China on Monday announced an 80.5 per cent levy on barley exports starting on Tuesday."

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Given the pathology of the virus and the profile of those most at risk, we need to get the rest of society functioning as normally as possible.

Given the shocking unemployment figures this morning, the cure is proving more damaging that the virus. Shield the most vulnerable and then start most things back up, but with sensible precautions in place. Fortunately, we are now in the more benign time of year when outdoor activities should be most prevalent. Provided people are sensible (always with that caveat), outdoor restaurants, beer gardens and on street wining and dining should all be possible without risk.

Again, we need to get younger children back to school, not simply for their own sake (they need some formal classroom lessons before the summer break), but also to free up their parents to return to work.

Other European countries are showing the way in restarting enterprises, including hairdressers for example - it is all doable, it just needs some common sense and can do spirit.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

In response, Chinese state media and leaders warned of trade retribution that could wipe $135billion from the Australian economy. After weeks of threatening to boycott the meat and barley industries and restrict travel and foreign education opportunities, China on Monday announced an 80.5 per cent levy on barley exports starting on Tuesday."

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Other European countries are showing the way in restarting enterprises, including hairdressers for example - it is all doable, it just needs some common sense and can do spirit.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Given the pathology of the virus and the profile of those most at risk, we need to get the rest of society functioning as normally as possible.

Given the shocking unemployment figures this morning, the cure is proving more damaging than the virus. Shield the most vulnerable and then start most things back up, but with sensible precautions in place. Fortunately, we are now in the more benign time of year when outdoor activities should be most prevalent. Provided people are sensible (always with that caveat), outdoor restaurants, beer gardens and on street wining and dining should all be possible without risk.

Again, we need to get younger children back to school, not simply for their own sake (they need some formal classroom lessons before the summer break), but also to free up their parents to return to work.

Other European countries are showing the way in restarting enterprises, including hairdressers for example - it is all doable, it just needs some common sense and can do spirit.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I agree that any lockdown has a limited lifespan of 6-8 weeks, before people get fed up and break it

But you need to use that time wisely - do it properly to get the rate down and prepare infrastructure for track and trace when you come out of lockdown

We have done neither

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Your  capacity to spout about subjects in which you have very limited knowledge is remarkable.

I assume that you’ve seen a typical restaurant kitchen and will know any ‘distancing’ is a non-starter. As for people crowded into restaurants, beer gardens and so on, that’s a guaranteed way of spreading the virus. Restricting numbers will mean queues of people not respecting social distancing.

Look, the experts say they still don’t know a lot about this virus. It really doesn’t seem like a sensible plan to take too many risks together.  

Given the number of deaths already recorded I’m surprised you are willing to contemplate 500k being sacrificed for the good of the economy. 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Worth noting that these other European countries are all seeing hundreds, rather than thousands, of new cases a day. Get ours down to that range and yes, I'd agree on re-opening stuff. As it stands, we're still seeing far too many cases!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

(Click on the Europe tab, yesterday, sort by cases. Only Russia is seeing more cases).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Given the pathology of the virus and the profile of those most at risk, we need to get the rest of society functioning as normally as possible.

Given the shocking unemployment figures this morning, the cure is proving more damaging than the virus. Shield the most vulnerable and then start most things back up, but with sensible precautions in place. Fortunately, we are now in the more benign time of year when outdoor activities should be most prevalent. Provided people are sensible (always with that caveat), outdoor restaurants, beer gardens and on street wining and dining should all be possible without risk.

Again, we need to get younger children back to school, not simply for their own sake (they need some formal classroom lessons before the summer break), but also to free up their parents to return to work.

Other European countries are showing the way in restarting enterprises, including hairdressers for example - it is all doable, it just needs some common sense and can do spirit.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Completely untrue Beast. Test capacity has been massively ramped up, anyone who wants a test can now request one, 21,000 contact tracers have been recruited. Why do you post falsehoods like the above?

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Very interesting item on R4 about this yesterday. Yes, the headline numbers are up around 100,000 tests a day being 'processed'. But only about 60,000 people are actually being tested. More worryingly, tests are taking up to 13 days to come back from private labs. The median time is apparently four days. The NHS, employers, all of us... need these turned round in two days max. This has to be resolved pronto.

The problem here is that HMG and posters like you are trying to put the cart before the horse. Hancock talks a good game in Parliament but the reality is wildly different to the rosy picture he is trying to paint.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

I agree - next step is to improve response times, but these things take time to organise.

As for numbers of tests - that has always been the metric rather than number of people tested. It is well known that a number of people have to be tested more than once because of the problem of false negative results.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Saw this on Facebook this morning - for the attention of Geoff (Beast) 

https://www.facebook.com/1107181004/posts/10222003694897253/?d=n

😂😂😂😂😂

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs