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RobN
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20 May 2020 18:44:58


 


Blimey that's a ridiculous difference between the total tests and number tested 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


"More or Less" on R4 this morning is worth a catch-up listen if you missed it and have the required attention span. 


Relevant topics covered:


1. Gov't litany of lies on testing figures were laid bare (yet again).


2. Prof. Spiegelhalter claims schools reopening is safe.


3. The reasons why German Covid-19 deaths are so low compared to UK.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j949


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
John p
20 May 2020 18:45:26


I still don't understand why the number of positive tests has gone down compared to yesterday. (See my post on Page 10).


EDIT: This shows breakdown by Pillar and explains historical data revisions have been made.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


I can think of a few reasons why they might want to start showing a sustained drop in figures. Especially before 1st June 


Camberley, Surrey
Chunky Pea
20 May 2020 18:54:36




I was planning on having a night in my tent in the garden ..... but its been so dry the ground is too hard to get a tent peg in now 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


You could try throwing a jug or two of water around the points where you want to place the pegs just to soften up the soil a bit... or, just use your boot as a hammer.


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John p
20 May 2020 19:03:17

It seems from Rob’s link that if a person has a throat swab and nasal swab, that counts as two tests. Most sane people would think these should be classed as being part of the same test.


Camberley, Surrey
SJV
20 May 2020 19:22:27


It seems from Rob’s link that if a person has a throat swab and nasal swab, that counts as two tests. Most sane people would think these should be classed as being part of the same test.


Originally Posted by: John p 


As well as non-diagnostic tests included in the figures, as many as 30,000. This government has no shame.

Maunder Minimum
20 May 2020 19:29:23

Well worth watching if you have the time:



New world order coming.
Essan
20 May 2020 19:33:35


You could try throwing a jug or two of water around the points where you want to place the pegs just to soften up the soil a bit... or, just use your boot as a hammer.


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 



Or I could put the pegs into the cracks in the ground.

Except my pegs aren't 2 inches wide .... 

Off topic, but, this has been one of the warmest, sunniest, driest springs on record here.   Sod's law was fulfilled  (as I predicted would happen  back in early March).   


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speckledjim
20 May 2020 19:33:45
Received details from my daughter’s school re returning from 02 June (1st is a training day). It’s very comprehensive in terms of the approach they are taking to ensure child safety so I’m very comfortable sending her back. Kids arriving/leaving different times, being allocated a teacher and classroom that they stay in, and they are only allowed to mix with their groups at break time.
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John p
20 May 2020 19:35:05


Well worth watching if you have the time:



Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Judging by the rogues gallery of speakers, that’s a firm “no thanks” from me. 😂


Camberley, Surrey
Gandalf The White
20 May 2020 19:40:35


It seems from Rob’s link that if a person has a throat swab and nasal swab, that counts as two tests. Most sane people would think these should be classed as being part of the same test.


Originally Posted by: John p 


But the government does report both the number of tests and the number of people tested so there's no attempt at deception.  Apart from that, if the throat and nasal swab involve two laboratory tests then arguably it is relevant as a measure of utilisation of testing capacity.


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The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 19:46:14


 


As well as non-diagnostic tests included in the figures, as many as 30,000. This government has no shame.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


This is the Vote Leave Government. The same people are running the scene and manipulating the numbers. Self testing is rubbish and the time it takes for some tests to come back makes a mockery of it and will lead to false negatives, perhaps done on purpose to try and justify opening up the economy


 


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SJV
20 May 2020 19:47:56


 


But the government does report both the number of tests and the number of people tested so there's no attempt at deception.  Apart from that, if the throat and nasal swab involve two laboratory tests then arguably it is relevant as a measure of utilisation of testing capacity.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


There is clear deception in relation to tests and targets. We already know that dispatched tests are being counted, as well as non-diagnostic tests which have no bearing on our number of positive cases (note to Gavin D who calculated the false % each day). As it mentions on the R4 programme RobN linked to, you wouldn't count going to a drive-in facility, having the swab and sputum checked as two positive tests (unless you wanted to boost your figures of course ).


Given the vast majority of the general public will look at the headline figures and nothing else I believe it is a form deception, given the reasons above that become clear when you look behind the numbers.


 


edit: and that doesn't even get into the shambles of the results and the time taken (median 4 days I think?)  Thanks Beast, forgotten that.

The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 19:47:58

Received details from my daughter’s school re returning from 02 June (1st is a training day). It’s very comprehensive in terms of the approach they are taking to ensure child safety so I’m very comfortable sending her back. Kids arriving/leaving different times, being allocated a teacher and classroom that they stay in, and they are only allowed to mix with their groups at break time.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Good luck with that!


 


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Gavin D
20 May 2020 19:53:05

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +50 (0.2%) 26,579

  • Midlands +206 (0.8%) 24,637

  • North West +195 (0.8%) 24,132

  • North East and Yorkshire +181 (0.8%) 23,182

  • South East +96 (0.5%) 20,510

  • East of England +138 (1.0%) 13,311

  • South West +30 (0.4%) 7,370


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +55 (1.2%) 4,562

  2. Lancashire +28 (0.8%) 3,406

  3. Birmingham +21 (0.6%) 3,340

  4. Hampshire +10 (0.3%) 3,193

  5. Essex +16 (0.5%) 3,107

  6. Surrey +3 (0.1%) 2,835

  7. Hertfordshire +14 (0.5%) 2,782

  8. Sheffield +7 (0.3%) 2,493

  9. Cumbria +5 (0.2%) 2,153

  10. Staffordshire +14 (0.7%) 2,119


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (3.0%) 33

  2. North East Lincolnshire 148 - No change

  3. Isle of Wight 178 - No change

  4. Torbay 221 - No change

  5. Bath and North East Somerset 230 - No change

  6. Bracknell Forest +3 (1.3%) 240

  7. Windsor and Maidenhead 279 - No change

  8. Calderdale 285 - No change

  9. Portsmouth +1 (0.3%) 313

  10. Hartlepool +15 (4.7%) 319

The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 19:57:40


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

"We have some alternative facts for you"

Kelly-Ann Conway - former special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 19:59:00


Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +50 (0.2%) 26,579

  • Midlands +206 (0.8%) 24,637

  • North West +195 (0.8%) 24,132

  • North East and Yorkshire +181 (0.8%) 23,182

  • South East +96 (0.5%) 20,510

  • East of England +138 (1.0%) 13,311

  • South West +30 (0.4%) 7,370


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Didn't the Express tell us there were zero cases?


 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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speckledjim
20 May 2020 20:00:53


 


Good luck with that!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


They have different break times so not an issue


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
JHutch
20 May 2020 20:02:22


Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +50 (0.2%) 26,579

  • Midlands +206 (0.8%) 24,637

  • North West +195 (0.8%) 24,132

  • North East and Yorkshire +181 (0.8%) 23,182

  • South East +96 (0.5%) 20,510

  • East of England +138 (1.0%) 13,311

  • South West +30 (0.4%) 7,370


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


One thing i have noticed is that these figures do not add up to the total positive count for the day. Today that was 2472 and the regional totals shown above add up to 896. I doubt that Scotland, N Ireland and Wales had 1500 between them so was wondering where the extra positives come from? Does it depend on which pillar they are in?

John p
20 May 2020 20:28:13


 


Didn't the Express tell us there were zero cases?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Was just about to post the same


Camberley, Surrey
speckledjim
20 May 2020 21:08:11
Here in Leeds we have now gone 2 days with no Covid deaths, long may that continue
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Gandalf The White
20 May 2020 21:14:12


 


There is clear deception in relation to tests and targets. We already know that dispatched tests are being counted, as well as non-diagnostic tests which have no bearing on our number of positive cases (note to Gavin D who calculated the false % each day). As it mentions on the R4 programme RobN linked to, you wouldn't count going to a drive-in facility, having the swab and sputum checked as two positive tests (unless you wanted to boost your figures of course ).


Given the vast majority of the general public will look at the headline figures and nothing else I believe it is a form deception, given the reasons above that become clear when you look behind the numbers.


 


edit: and that doesn't even get into the shambles of the results and the time taken (median 4 days I think?)  Thanks Beast, forgotten that.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


It’s clearly a very poor attempt at deception when the information is so widely available that you can ‘expose’ the alleged deception so easily.


You might want to think on this point awhile.


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SJV
20 May 2020 21:20:51


 


It’s clearly a very poor attempt at deception when the information is so widely available that you can ‘expose’ the alleged deception so easily.


You might want to think on this point awhile.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


As I pointed out the vast majority of the public won't bother seeking that information out though. They need it screamed at them through bold newspaper headlines these days. 


I agree it isn't hard to see the cracks behind the apparent 'success' in the data. To me that makes it all the more insulting, the fact that this government seemingly take us for fools. Then again as is often pointed out we have a leader with similar parallels to Trump in that he is blindly followed by his cult no matter what he does.


The above then goes back to my first sentence - for these cultists even a damning headline of statistical lies and obfuscation would be glossed over and dismissed as a mindless attack on their precious government.

Darren S
20 May 2020 21:34:12


 


One thing i have noticed is that these figures do not add up to the total positive count for the day. Today that was 2472 and the regional totals shown above add up to 896. I doubt that Scotland, N Ireland and Wales had 1500 between them so was wondering where the extra positives come from? Does it depend on which pillar they are in?


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Yes. The regional breakdown is only for Pillar 1. As you can see here today, there were 1,048 positive in Pillar 1 and 1,424 in Pillar 2.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public


So I think we can deduce that Pillar 1 was made up of 896 positive in England, and a further 152 in Scotland, Wales and NI.


Darren
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JHutch
20 May 2020 21:35:21

Antibody test to be offered to NHS and care staff within days apparently


 



JHutch
20 May 2020 22:22:51


 


Yes. The regional breakdown is only for Pillar 1. As you can see here today, there were 1,048 positive in Pillar 1 and 1,424 in Pillar 2.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public


So I think we can deduce that Pillar 1 was made up of 896 positive in England, and a further 152 in Scotland, Wales and NI.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 Thanks


Be nice to see how many pillar 2 figures there were per area too.

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