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SEMerc
31 January 2011 22:16:00




Sell Torres, a proven international striker, bring in Carroll, the 5th best striker in the Championship last season. That's an improvement?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Er no. Carroll + Suarez is an improvement on Torres, whose heart hasn't always been in it at Liverpool this season..


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Certainly Torres has had a cob on. Carroll is a huge and expensive mistake IMO. I honestly am genuinely staggered at the fee for this unproven lump. It takes a lot to amaze me as far as football and money is concerned nowadays, but this has stunned me. What a shocking waste of money.


Suarez is a good signing, but it's nullified by the £35m thrown away on Carroll as far as I'm concerned. Panic buying personified. I bet if you asked King Cunny his honest opinion he would tell you signing Carroll for that price wasn't exactly his dream move


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


'Arry thought differently (if the reports are correct), which is why he is rightly being crucified by some on the Spurs board at the moment.


The thing about Suarez is he can play anywhere along the front line. He will serve both himself and Carroll well.

SEMerc
31 January 2011 22:19:03



What about Phillip 'chuckle Brother' Neville joining Spurs


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Spurs have put a bid in for Neville deary me, that is many steps back IMO


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Everton have turned us down. Thank you, Bill Kenwright, you are a God.

Matty H
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31 January 2011 22:19:19





Sell Torres, a proven international striker, bring in Carroll, the 5th best striker in the Championship last season. That's an improvement?


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Er no. Carroll + Suarez is an improvement on Torres, whose heart hasn't always been in it at Liverpool this season..


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Certainly Torres has had a cob on. Carroll is a huge and expensive mistake IMO. I honestly am genuinely staggered at the fee for this unproven lump. It takes a lot to amaze me as far as football and money is concerned nowadays, but this has stunned me. What a shocking waste of money.


Suarez is a good signing, but it's nullified by the £35m thrown away on Carroll as far as I'm concerned. Panic buying personified. I bet if you asked King Cunny his honest opinion he would tell you signing Carroll for that price wasn't exactly his dream move


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


'Arry thought differently (if the reports are correct), which is why he is rightly being crucified by some on the Spurs board at the moment.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


A sense of perspective required me thinks. Spurs are overachieving and, although it pains me to say it, it's because of Arthur Daily.


If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Man City will falter and Spurs will cling onto a top 4 spot again. Not sure there's a lot to moan about there given they were facing relegation not so long ago?


SEMerc
31 January 2011 22:25:50






Sell Torres, a proven international striker, bring in Carroll, the 5th best striker in the Championship last season. That's an improvement?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Er no. Carroll + Suarez is an improvement on Torres, whose heart hasn't always been in it at Liverpool this season..


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Certainly Torres has had a cob on. Carroll is a huge and expensive mistake IMO. I honestly am genuinely staggered at the fee for this unproven lump. It takes a lot to amaze me as far as football and money is concerned nowadays, but this has stunned me. What a shocking waste of money.


Suarez is a good signing, but it's nullified by the £35m thrown away on Carroll as far as I'm concerned. Panic buying personified. I bet if you asked King Cunny his honest opinion he would tell you signing Carroll for that price wasn't exactly his dream move


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


'Arry thought differently (if the reports are correct), which is why he is rightly being crucified by some on the Spurs board at the moment.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


A sense of perspective required me thinks. Spurs are overachieving and, although it pains me to say it, it's because of Arthur Daily.


If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Man City will falter and Spurs will cling onto a top 4 spot again. Not sure there's a lot to moan about there given they were facing relegation not so long ago?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Oh there's no doubt Spurs are overachieving, though not in the way you probably meant.


You may have missed the stat I posted earlier in the thread, but I will re-iterate; our strikeforce, comprising Defoe, Pav and The Lampost have scored a combined 6 goals between them in the PL this season. Of these, Pav has 5. That is utterly abysmal for a top four or five side.


 


We are only where we are because of Bale and VDV. Bale is currently out and VDV is having a dip in form. It looks ominous.

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31 January 2011 22:32:25







Sell Torres, a proven international striker, bring in Carroll, the 5th best striker in the Championship last season. That's an improvement?


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Er no. Carroll + Suarez is an improvement on Torres, whose heart hasn't always been in it at Liverpool this season..


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Certainly Torres has had a cob on. Carroll is a huge and expensive mistake IMO. I honestly am genuinely staggered at the fee for this unproven lump. It takes a lot to amaze me as far as football and money is concerned nowadays, but this has stunned me. What a shocking waste of money.


Suarez is a good signing, but it's nullified by the £35m thrown away on Carroll as far as I'm concerned. Panic buying personified. I bet if you asked King Cunny his honest opinion he would tell you signing Carroll for that price wasn't exactly his dream move


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


'Arry thought differently (if the reports are correct), which is why he is rightly being crucified by some on the Spurs board at the moment.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


A sense of perspective required me thinks. Spurs are overachieving and, although it pains me to say it, it's because of Arthur Daily.


If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Man City will falter and Spurs will cling onto a top 4 spot again. Not sure there's a lot to moan about there given they were facing relegation not so long ago?


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Oh there's no doubt Spurs are overachieving, though not in the way you probably meant.


You may have missed the stat I posted earlier in the thread, but I will re-iterate; our strikeforce, comprising Defoe, Pav and The Lampost have scored a combined 6 goals between them in the PL this season. Of these, Pav has 5. That is utterly abysmal for a top four side.


We are only where we are because of Bale and VDV. Bale is currently out and VDV is having a dip in form. It looks ominous.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Not sure what you think I mean? Spurs challenging for a top 4 space is what I meant. Traditionally a mid table side for a very long time. Not a put down (I've nowt against Spurs) but a fact.


Agree entirely about their strikeforce, although has Defoe ever been a great striker? I'm always amazed at how when he has a little run of something like 4 goals in 6 games he's heralded as the next great England hope. In fact there's the problem. England's international side is so utterly devoid of centre forward talent, everytime one of them show glimpses of ability it is grasped like Gary Glitter grasping a....


I'm not convinced Bale is Spurs long term answer either. Another periodical performer, but it's clearly hindering things with him being out.


Does it look ominous? What is ominous for Spurs? Relegation? That's not going to happen this season, so what is ominous in your opinion?


future_is_orange
31 January 2011 22:32:54

Carroll + Suarez (+ a few million) for Torres is a reasonable deal given Torres performances over the past year or so. Big man little man routine (Carroll and Suarez) has worked well for many clubs over the years and i think Suarez could score quite a few goals playing off Carroll. Liverpool will have done well if they get the 50M from Chelsea for Torres a player who has looked a shadow of what he was. Tho again i question the value of Torres when Barca / Madrid / Milan etc have not made solid bids.


Spurs continue to get linked with anyone looking for a good pay cheque.


Man City have spent enough and will look to consolidate.


Man U / Arsenal will believe their squads are strong enough to compete at the top......no business in January for these two teams.

SEMerc
31 January 2011 22:35:16








Sell Torres, a proven international striker, bring in Carroll, the 5th best striker in the Championship last season. That's an improvement?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Er no. Carroll + Suarez is an improvement on Torres, whose heart hasn't always been in it at Liverpool this season..


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Certainly Torres has had a cob on. Carroll is a huge and expensive mistake IMO. I honestly am genuinely staggered at the fee for this unproven lump. It takes a lot to amaze me as far as football and money is concerned nowadays, but this has stunned me. What a shocking waste of money.


Suarez is a good signing, but it's nullified by the £35m thrown away on Carroll as far as I'm concerned. Panic buying personified. I bet if you asked King Cunny his honest opinion he would tell you signing Carroll for that price wasn't exactly his dream move


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


'Arry thought differently (if the reports are correct), which is why he is rightly being crucified by some on the Spurs board at the moment.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


A sense of perspective required me thinks. Spurs are overachieving and, although it pains me to say it, it's because of Arthur Daily.


If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Man City will falter and Spurs will cling onto a top 4 spot again. Not sure there's a lot to moan about there given they were facing relegation not so long ago?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Oh there's no doubt Spurs are overachieving, though not in the way you probably meant.


You may have missed the stat I posted earlier in the thread, but I will re-iterate; our strikeforce, comprising Defoe, Pav and The Lampost have scored a combined 6 goals between them in the PL this season. Of these, Pav has 5. That is utterly abysmal for a top four side.


We are only where we are because of Bale and VDV. Bale is currently out and VDV is having a dip in form. It looks ominous.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Not sure what you think I mean? Spurs challenging for a top 4 space is what I meant. Traditionally a mid table side for a very long time. Not a put down (I've nowt against Spurs) but a fact.


Agree entirely about your strikeforce, although has Defoe ever been a great striker? I'm always amazed at how when he has a little run of something like 4 goals in 6 games he's heralded as the next great England hope. In fact there's the problem. England's international side is so utterly devoid of centre forward talent, everytime one of them show glimpses of ability it is grasped like Gary Glitter grasping a....


I'm not convinced Bale is Spurs long term answer either. Another periodical performer, but it's clearly hindering things with him being out.


Does it look ominous? What is ominous for Spurs? Relegation? That's not going to happen this season, so what is ominous in your opinion?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Ominous to me is not getting into the CL. We have the best midfield we've had in years and a defence that isn't too shabby when everyone is fit. 


As I see it our likely failure to get into the CL next season will increase the likelihood of players such as VDV, Modric and Bale buggering off, which to me would be a step backwards.

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31 January 2011 22:40:28









Sell Torres, a proven international striker, bring in Carroll, the 5th best striker in the Championship last season. That's an improvement?


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Er no. Carroll + Suarez is an improvement on Torres, whose heart hasn't always been in it at Liverpool this season..


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Certainly Torres has had a cob on. Carroll is a huge and expensive mistake IMO. I honestly am genuinely staggered at the fee for this unproven lump. It takes a lot to amaze me as far as football and money is concerned nowadays, but this has stunned me. What a shocking waste of money.


Suarez is a good signing, but it's nullified by the £35m thrown away on Carroll as far as I'm concerned. Panic buying personified. I bet if you asked King Cunny his honest opinion he would tell you signing Carroll for that price wasn't exactly his dream move


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


'Arry thought differently (if the reports are correct), which is why he is rightly being crucified by some on the Spurs board at the moment.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


A sense of perspective required me thinks. Spurs are overachieving and, although it pains me to say it, it's because of Arthur Daily.


If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Man City will falter and Spurs will cling onto a top 4 spot again. Not sure there's a lot to moan about there given they were facing relegation not so long ago?


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Oh there's no doubt Spurs are overachieving, though not in the way you probably meant.


You may have missed the stat I posted earlier in the thread, but I will re-iterate; our strikeforce, comprising Defoe, Pav and The Lampost have scored a combined 6 goals between them in the PL this season. Of these, Pav has 5. That is utterly abysmal for a top four side.


We are only where we are because of Bale and VDV. Bale is currently out and VDV is having a dip in form. It looks ominous.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Not sure what you think I mean? Spurs challenging for a top 4 space is what I meant. Traditionally a mid table side for a very long time. Not a put down (I've nowt against Spurs) but a fact.


Agree entirely about your strikeforce, although has Defoe ever been a great striker? I'm always amazed at how when he has a little run of something like 4 goals in 6 games he's heralded as the next great England hope. In fact there's the problem. England's international side is so utterly devoid of centre forward talent, everytime one of them show glimpses of ability it is grasped like Gary Glitter grasping a....


I'm not convinced Bale is Spurs long term answer either. Another periodical performer, but it's clearly hindering things with him being out.


Does it look ominous? What is ominous for Spurs? Relegation? That's not going to happen this season, so what is ominous in your opinion?


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Ominous to me is not getting into the CL. We have the best midfield we've had in years and a defence that isn't too shabby when everyone is fit. 


As I see it our likely failure to get into the CL next season will increase the likelihood of players such as VDV, Modric and Bale buggering off, which to me would be a step backwards.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Is it a likely failure though? You seem to be basing your negativity on the back of today's transfer activity?


Obviously a poor end to the season could see key players targeted by bigger clubs, but hasn't Bale been the rumoured target of a couple of big Spanish clubs? Make hay while the sun shines. Get rid and use the money wisely. A couple of good CL performances on the big stage, couple with plenty of ordinary ones in the domestic league could leave you quids in. Arry will know what to do with that money if anyone is daft enough to spend mega bucks on Bale. Judging by todays stomach churning bile in the transfer market I would say it's nailed on the interest will follow. It's not just English clubs that pay stupid money for average 'talent'


David M Porter
31 January 2011 22:43:32



The woman beating thug Carroll is not worth 35 but Torres is not worth 50 either. He's not the same player since his injury problems

Originally Posted by: JMW 


I don't think that even Pele at the height of his powers was worth £50m or £35m. Football has well and truly taken leave of its senses IMO.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


This transfer window really shows the fantasy world the top level clubs in this country live in. I really do worry for the future of football in this country when the likes of 35 million exchanges hands for an inexperienced top level player. I was hoping that in the current economic climate football might have a reality check, but instead it just goes more insane than ever tonight.


I will be back happily watching my local non league team this coming weekend, that is the football I enjoy, the world of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and Man United means nothing to me, it is not the game I grew up loving as a youngster.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Totally agree mate. The other night I watched the full 90 minutes of the Brazil v Argentina game from the '82 World Cup on DVD- that was REAL football played by REAL footballers and not overpaid, overpampered prima donnas that were on show last year in South Africa and are seen every week in the Premier League. Watching today's football just makes me so glad that I can remember the game as it was before Murdoch & Sky TV et al got their greedy hands on it.


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SEMerc
31 January 2011 23:03:53

Fantastic, we've made (reportedly) an offer for Charlie Adam with three minutes to go. So, basically, we would have 15 players competing for 4 spots in midfield. FFS.


EDIT. Blackpool turn us down. Thank God for that.

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31 January 2011 23:07:04


Fantastic, we've made (reportedly) an offer for Charlie Adam with three minutes to go. So, basically, we would have 15 players competing for 4 spots in midfield. FFS.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I'll be disappointed if this happens as it would give the inbred skeleton that is Ian 'parody of himself' Holloway a nice paycheck, as he has a stake in Adam.


Saint Snow
31 January 2011 23:27:54


Looking at all the unaffordable transfer fees currently being touted about is enough to disenchant a lot of football supporters when the dust settles tomorrow.....well that's my opinion anyway. Two or three mega rich owners splashing the cash trying to BUY a title, rather than earn it.............all rather disgusting as I see it  


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


To be honest, it's only one mega-rich owner this window. The imbecilic price paid for Carroll is just the knock-on effect from the cash put in by Abramovich.


Liverpool have got £56m for Torres & Babel, and splashed £58m on Suarez and Carroll - a net outlay of £2m; hardly a huge investment for the club.


Do I think we've improved the team overall? Fecked if I know. Tempted to say about honours even, but I do know one thing: it'll be different. Whether good-different or bad-different will be fun to find out.



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Saint Snow
31 January 2011 23:52:42

LOL! Bollockchops saying their bid for Charlie Adam was accepted by Blackpool but it couldn't be got through in time.


That assumes Adam would have signed - he's apparently set on a move to Liverpool (although I know that's as likely to be BS as anything else I've heard this past couple of days)



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SEMerc
01 February 2011 00:00:29


LOL! Bollockchops saying their bid for Charlie Adam was accepted by Blackpool but it couldn't be got through in time.


That assumes Adam would have signed - he's apparently set on a move to Liverpool (although I know that's as likely to be BS as anything else I've heard this past couple of days)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yep, two minutes late. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. It highlights the total incompetence of Redknapp and Levy.


One of the good things about the Spurs board is the relaxed attitude to foul language. It's a vertitable sheissesturme over there at the moment.

Saint Snow
01 February 2011 00:02:55



LOL! Bollockchops saying their bid for Charlie Adam was accepted by Blackpool but it couldn't be got through in time.


That assumes Adam would have signed - he's apparently set on a move to Liverpool (although I know that's as likely to be BS as anything else I've heard this past couple of days)


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Yep, two minutes late. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I wish Liverpool could have signed him.


There's few players who'd be better launching pinpoint balls onto Carroll's head from our own half.



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SEMerc
01 February 2011 00:06:24




LOL! Bollockchops saying their bid for Charlie Adam was accepted by Blackpool but it couldn't be got through in time.


That assumes Adam would have signed - he's apparently set on a move to Liverpool (although I know that's as likely to be BS as anything else I've heard this past couple of days)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yep, two minutes late. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I wish Liverpool could have signed him.


There's few players who'd be better launching pinpoint balls onto Carroll's head from our own half.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


More on this:


 


''Redknapp told talkSPORT: "Daniel rang me late on and asked if I like Charlie Adam. I said 'yes, he's a fantastic footballer'. He said do you want him, I said 'can we get him?'.


"We pushed on and tried to do it, Daniel was confident he could get it through. It went to the wire but we missed out by minutes."


Redknapp added: "Daniel dealt with it. Apparently the boy was definitely up for coming...apparently the chairman couldn't get hold of two shareholders who had to sign the forms as well. It's just one of those things."


It seems the financial details had been agreed for Adam to move to White Hart Lane with only the aforementioned absent shareholders - on Blackpool's side, according to Redknapp - proving the stumbling block.''


 


 


 


 

Saint Snow
01 February 2011 00:09:27

Apparently the boy was definitely up for coming...

Arfur Daley wrote:


That's a bit cheeky from Redknapp - definitely below the belt to Blackpool



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Tom Oxon
01 February 2011 01:59:44

I have two degrees, but someone 3 years younger than me gets sold for 35 million for kicking a ball around once a week.


 


Surely I've been doing it wrong?


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future_is_orange
01 February 2011 08:50:04


I have two degrees, but someone 3 years younger than me gets sold for 35 million for kicking a ball around once a week.


 


Surely I've been doing it wrong?


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


To be a professional football or sportsperson takes conviction, dedication and a whole lot of natural talent. Not every Tracy or Steve can be a professional sportsperson as you need to have the talent !! Any Tracy or Steve can achieve a degree !!

future_is_orange
01 February 2011 08:56:22

Interesting dealings last night for Chelsea and Liverpool... Chelsea spent big on Torres and Luiz a total spend of 70Million or so and Liverpool bought in Carroll and Suarez for a little more money than the Torres deal. IMO both teams have been strengthened and i am looking fwd to see how Suarez and Carroll combine together likewise Torres / Drogba / Anelka etc.


Arsenal and Man U seem to be happy with their squads and they are very settled squads playing well. The premiership is still between these two tho both may have to strengthen in the summer to keep up with chelski and the might of the Russian Rouble.

Gary L
01 February 2011 10:06:36



Fantastic, we've made (reportedly) an offer for Charlie Adam with three minutes to go. So, basically, we would have 15 players competing for 4 spots in midfield. FFS.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I'll be disappointed if this happens as it would give the inbred skeleton that is Ian 'parody of himself' Holloway a nice paycheck, as he has a stake in Adam.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


 


Does he wind you up? I actually think he's brilliant, speaks what most of us are thinking.

Matty H
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01 February 2011 11:39:05
He doesn't wind me up. I used to quite like him, but he's become a parody of himself, constantly trying to say more daft and outrageous things rather than the natural nonsense he used to spout. Why hasn't he resigned either? He said if his club were fined for fielding a weakened side he would quit. Tendering your resignation to have it rejected in a setup doesn't count. It's fine mouthing off, but you've got to have the balls to follow through on your threats or, quite rightly, no one will believe you again.
wallaw
01 February 2011 12:25:15

He doesn't wind me up. I used to quite like him, but he's become a parody of himself, constantly trying to say more daft and outrageous things rather than the natural nonsense he used to spout. Why hasn't he resigned either? He said if his club were fined for fielding a weakened side he would quit. Tendering your resignation to have it rejected in a setup doesn't count. It's fine mouthing off, but you've got to have the balls to follow through on your threats or, quite rightly, no one will believe you again.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Maybe he is awaiting the results of the appeal first


Ian


Stockton-on-Tees

Gooner
01 February 2011 12:51:14

He doesn't wind me up. I used to quite like him, but he's become a parody of himself, constantly trying to say more daft and outrageous things rather than the natural nonsense he used to spout. Why hasn't he resigned either? He said if his club were fined for fielding a weakened side he would quit. Tendering your resignation to have it rejected in a setup doesn't count. It's fine mouthing off, but you've got to have the balls to follow through on your threats or, quite rightly, no one will believe you again.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Valid point Matty, he should have gone by now.


I still remember the bird in the taxi quote from ........oh dear


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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01 February 2011 13:10:20
Torres could make his Chelsea debut against Liverpool this Sunday.

That should be very interesting.

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