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warrenb
11 January 2021 15:57:19
Meto week ahead forecast on Youtube hinting at the cold weather coming back next week.
dagspot
11 January 2021 22:00:42

Louise Lear having none of it or maybe just non-commital. Not hugely inspiring for cold...albeit in short term for next week


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GTurner
11 January 2021 22:06:25


Louise Lear having none of it or maybe just non-commital. Not hugely inspiring for cold...albeit in short term for next week


Originally Posted by: dagspot 


Dagspot - take the BBC’s forecasts with a generous pinch of salt! Louise Lear is clearly a mild ramper and always sits on the fence. Not the best the Beeb has ... give me Nick Miller any day! 


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Ally Pally Snowman
11 January 2021 22:09:54


Louise Lear having none of it or maybe just non-commital. Not hugely inspiring for cold...albeit in short term for next week


Originally Posted by: dagspot 


Yes hugely underwhelming the Pros aren't seeing anything notable yet. 


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GTurner
11 January 2021 22:18:29


 


Yes hugely underwhelming the Pros aren't seeing anything notable yet. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Pros? Louise Lear is not a meteorologist. She’s a weather presenter.


How do you know they aren’t seeing anything yet? Just because they’re not stating it, doesn’t mean it’s not bubbling away ...


I can’t understand why people get hung up on these national forecasts...?!?!


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dagspot
11 January 2021 22:22:46


I can’t understand why people get hung up on these national forecasts...?!?!


Originally Posted by: GTurner 


Maybe the media threads not for you then...


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Chichesterweatherfan2
11 January 2021 22:25:38
It was an odd forecast all round...she talked about next week being cool but the graphics showed blobs of snow...somewhat south ...clearly huge uncertainty and the pros are being cautious....and quite rightly so!
Ally Pally Snowman
11 January 2021 22:27:59


 


Pros? Louise Lear is not a meteorologist. She’s a weather presenter.


How do you know they aren’t seeing anything yet? Just because they’re not stating it, doesn’t mean it’s not bubbling away ...


I can’t understand why people get hung up on these national forecasts...?!?!


Originally Posted by: GTurner 


Meteogroup produce the forecasts of course  their professional.  They're obviously not confident of cold yet or they would say so. Still time though.


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Gandalf The White
11 January 2021 22:38:00


 


Yes hugely underwhelming the Pros aren't seeing anything notable yet. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


That's not a fair or accurate reflection of her forecast. The problem is that next week is fraught with uncertainty over the dividing line between two very diffferent air masses. That leaves oceans of scope for getting the nuances wrong. The maps she showed had large areas of snow over central and eastern parts along with rain but she talked about cold in the north and east and milder in the south and west but then summarised as 'rain and rather cool'.


 


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GTurner
11 January 2021 23:53:02


 


Meteogroup produce the forecasts of course  their professional.  They're obviously not confident of cold yet or they would say so. Still time though.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I didn’t say meteogroup weren’t pro’s. And of course they are professionals. I’m just saying that LL is just a presenter and not a trained meteorologist.  You always seem get a more in-depth outlook with a meteorologist presenter  


However, I do agree with your last statement 🙂


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GTurner
11 January 2021 23:59:28


 


Maybe the media threads not for you then...


Originally Posted by: dagspot 


Of corse it is. it’s for everyone and for everyone to form their own opinion 


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tallyho_83
12 January 2021 01:21:33


 


That's not a fair or accurate reflection of her forecast. The problem is that next week is fraught with uncertainty over the dividing line between two very diffferent air masses. That leaves oceans of scope for getting the nuances wrong. The maps she showed had large areas of snow over central and eastern parts along with rain but she talked about cold in the north and east and milder in the south and west but then summarised as 'rain and rather cool'.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


What are your thoughts about the BBC using Meteogroup for their forecasts and not the Met Office?


Louise Lear - Who I have great respect for showed large parts of the central southern areas of the UK covered in snow on the radar map but never mentioned it. All she said was I quote - "We will see low pressure never far away and it looks like it is going to stay unsettled as we look further ahead!" - However, I saw quite a lot of snow on the BBC graphics - taken a screenshot




 


Looks similar to this mornings GFS Operational 06z run @ 240z:



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Chichesterweatherfan2
12 January 2021 08:06:19
Susan Powell on R4 just now said possibility of it turning much colder next week ...cold coming from Scandinavia...I’m officially interested now.....
Gooner
12 January 2021 08:38:39


 


What are your thoughts about the BBC using Meteogroup for their forecasts and not the Met Office?


Louise Lear - Who I have great respect for showed large parts of the central southern areas of the UK covered in snow on the radar map but never mentioned it. All she said was I quote - "We will see low pressure never far away and it looks like it is going to stay unsettled as we look further ahead!" - However, I saw quite a lot of snow on the BBC graphics - taken a screenshot




 


Looks similar to this mornings GFS Operational 06z run @ 240z:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I agree Tally , most odd, not a mention of the snow 


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roadrunnerajn
12 January 2021 08:53:25

They will most probably this evening. I bet they are waiting for as long as is possible before mentioning the S word. The details are very finely balanced. High ground in the north is probably a given but most of these forecasts are mainly aimed at density populated areas. 


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redmoons
12 January 2021 12:36:13

Interesting from the Met Office

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/12/beast-from-the-east-weather-might-return-next-week-says-met-office


It is possible temperatures will plunge further next week, Burkill said, and there is “very much a possibility” of a Beast from the East 2 in the “middle of next week”.


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warrenb
12 January 2021 14:04:58
Getting some hints now from the Meto about the cold weather, this is what I look for at this stage, because if they are not on board, then 9/10 it doesn't happen.



chelsea4cup
12 January 2021 14:11:57


Interesting from the Met Office

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/12/beast-from-the-east-weather-might-return-next-week-says-met-office


It is possible temperatures will plunge further next week, Burkill said, and there is “very much a possibility” of a Beast from the East 2 in the “middle of next week”.


Originally Posted by: redmoons 


Amused me when it said that next week might be 'Beast from the East 2" with Feb/March 2018 being the first. I think there might have been a few in  the past


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Rob K
12 January 2021 14:13:07


 


Amused me when it said that next week might be 'Beast from the East 2" with Feb/March 2018 being the first. I think there might have been a few in  the past


Originally Posted by: chelsea4cup 


I thought the BFTE 2 (or "minibeast") was the second blast a couple of weeks later, in mid March 2018, which coincided with my birthday.


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JRobinson
12 January 2021 14:29:13

My first ever post here. So please be gentle!


I have been a lurker for many years and learnt a lot from those more meteorologically educated than I am. From my readings I have (I think) learned to decipher a good cold chart from a bad one (yes I crave cold and snow ❄️)


I thought I’d post this in this thread as I suppose I should do, although I have mainly been frequenting the model output discussion thread over many a winter.


 


I wonder if any of the forecasters mentioned in this article frequent TWO?


I would post a screenshot of the article, but I’ve no idea how to so


PS. Thanks Brian for sorting out my membership and login issues.


 


EDIT - Can someone please let me know how to post links here please?


im trying to share a link to an article from the Derbyshire Live regarding a local forecasters thoughts on the weeks ahead (hint- it’s a snowy one)

JRobinson
12 January 2021 14:31:44

My first ever post here. So please be gentle!


I have been a lurker for many years and learnt a lot from those more meteorologically educated than I am. From my readings I have (I think) learned to decipher a good cold chart from a bad one (yes I crave cold and snow ❄️)


I thought I’d post this in this thread as I suppose I should do, although I have mainly been frequenting the model output discussion thread over many a winter.


 


I wonder if any of the forecasters mentioned in this article frequent TWO?


I would post a screenshot of the article, but I’ve no idea how to so


PS. Thanks Brian for sorting out my membership and login issues.


 


EDIT - Can someone please let me know how to post links here please?


im trying to share a link to an article from the Derbyshire Live regarding a local forecasters thoughts on the weeks ahead (hint- it’s a snowy one)


All I’m getting when I try to post it is that it thinks it is SPAM

Gavin D
12 January 2021 14:34:36

Sunday 17 Jan - Tuesday 26 Jan


Settled conditions for most on Sunday, however light rain may remain across the far east with blustery showers pushing across north and western parts at times. Into the next week unsettled conditions will continue with winds from the north bringing cold conditions from Scandinavia across much of the country by the end of the week. Rainfall is also expected for the north with a risk of organised snowfall especially over high ground. Drier in the south with the potential for frontal bands bringing rain and or snow at times. Temperatures most likely rather cold/cold for much of the UK, but a chance near or slightly above average in association with any rain that cross the south.


Tuesday 26 Jan - Tuesday 9 Feb


Confidence for this period is low, though there is a signal for weaker than average westerly winds with Atlantic systems likely to track further south than normal. Therefore, for the north of the UK risk of precipitation is expected with temperatures around average to a little below. Further south there is an increased chance of unsettled conditions, with above average precipitation and with periods where temperatures may be slightly above average also. Through this period there is a greater than average chance of cold spells across the UK with the associated risk of wintry hazards. There is potential at times for significant snowfall on the boundary between milder and colder air masses, with greatest risk across central and northern areas.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

Ally Pally Snowman
12 January 2021 14:42:19

Snow getting a bit more of a mention.


 


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Essan
12 January 2021 14:44:06


My first ever post here. So please be gentle!


I have been a lurker for many years and learnt a lot from those more meteorologically educated than I am. From my readings I have (I think) learned to decipher a good cold chart from a bad one (yes I crave cold and snow ❄️)


I thought I’d post this in this thread as I suppose I should do, although I have mainly been frequenting the model output discussion thread over many a winter.


 


I wonder if any of the forecasters mentioned in this article frequent TWO?


I would post a screenshot of the article, but I’ve no idea how to so


PS. Thanks Brian for sorting out my membership and login issues.


 


EDIT - Can someone please let me know how to post links here please?


im trying to share a link to an article from the Derbyshire Live regarding a local forecasters thoughts on the weeks ahead (hint- it’s a snowy one)


All I’m getting when I try to post it is that it thinks it is SPAM


Originally Posted by: JRobinson 



Here it is:

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/big-freeze-due-for-derbyshire-4879709 

Just copy and past the link in (not sure why it was coming up as spam?)

I don't recognise either of those mentioned (Robert Shaw and Martin Harris - though of course they could well be known only by pseudonyms) and to be honest, they are only really saying what a lot of other amateurs are saying (and most amateurs tend to favour cold weather in winter!)


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Whiteout
12 January 2021 14:44:26

Upgrade in the first paragraph , further outlook not updated yet.


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