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cultman1
08 May 2021 09:44:22
Here in Fulham the rain has cleared and it is starting to slowly brighten up. Now for the warming trend promised by the MO. Looking further ahead will the forecast revert back to the current cold conditions I wonder especially with the jet running to the south of us or are we now settling into a warmer new airflow removing this cold pool which has languished over the UK for weeks now?
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08 May 2021 09:51:56

Here in Fulham the rain has cleared and it is starting to slowly brighten up. Now for the warming trend promised by the MO. Looking further ahead will the forecast revert back to the current cold conditions I wonder especially with the jet running to the south of us or are we now settling into a warmer new airflow removing this cold pool which has languished over the UK for weeks now?

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


I like to think so but surely it can't revert to the numbing low dewpoints we've had for so long.  


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Joe Bloggs
08 May 2021 10:55:01

Frustrating model watching at the moment if it’s dry and settled weather you’re after. 


There is often plenty of promise in the GFS operational runs, for HP to push in, often supported with a number of the GEFS, but the signal isn’t consistent, nor are the improvements getting any closer, they’re doggedly sticking well into FI. 


The ECM has never really been on board either , and today we have this at the very end of the run, supported quite nicely by the mean, sadly. https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_240_1.png


I’d suggest we’re stuck in this cool and unsettled spell for a little while yet.



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moomin75
08 May 2021 13:33:40


Frustrating model watching at the moment if it’s dry and settled weather you’re after. 


There is often plenty of promise in the GFS operational runs, for HP to push in, often supported with a number of the GEFS, but the signal isn’t consistent, nor are the improvements getting any closer, they’re doggedly sticking well into FI. 


The ECM has never really been on board either , and today we have this at the very end of the run, supported quite nicely by the mean, sadly. https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_240_1.png


I’d suggest we’re stuck in this cool and unsettled spell for a little while yet.


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

I'm afraid so Joe. I know my views aren't well received, but I honestly do think the pattern has been set for the summer. I don't want to be accused of writing off a whole season before it has started, but I am and always have been a believer in pattern matching of sorts, and also a big believer that you can get a general gist of a seasonal pattern in advance of the season commencing. 


I don't get a good feeling about the forthcoming months at all. We are also way overdue a very poor summer as the last really poor one was 2012, and so I am afraid I would not be at all surprised if 2021 is indeed a washout.


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Downpour
08 May 2021 19:08:30
Rain today decent but shortlived. Nothing like the epic “copious rainfall” we were promised on here.

Sun now shining. Looks like bang average spring weather down here to me, in the model outlook.

Good growing weather at long last. I hope members won’t be writing off summer based on the conditions on 8 May, yet I fear that is exactly what will happen.

Average conditions to come. Just normal.
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Jerry P
09 May 2021 06:58:19

Rain today decent but shortlived. Nothing like the epic “copious rainfall” we were promised on here.

Sun now shining. Looks like bang average spring weather down here to me, in the model outlook.

Good growing weather at long last. I hope members won’t be writing off summer based on the conditions on 8 May, yet I fear that is exactly what will happen.

Average conditions to come. Just normal.

Originally Posted by: Downpour 


Where precipitation is concerned it’s brave to make any promises.  I treat all future weather predictions as forecasts - helps ease the pain when they don’t work out...


Rain in the models every day here for the foreseeable future and even average temperatures will help the garden catch up.👍


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moomin75
09 May 2021 07:46:49
The models remain in a very unsettled and largely cool state today. Absolutely no sign of a pattern change and the back end of May is now coming into view.
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Devonian
09 May 2021 07:54:23

The models remain in a very unsettled and largely cool state today. Absolutely no sign of a pattern change and the back end of May is now coming into view.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I think the change is from cold to cool. To be fair, we have had rain here (nearly 40mm this month now), but without much more droughty conditions could easily return. I dug some ground early yesterday and it was dusty a foot down.

Ally Pally Snowman
09 May 2021 08:13:18

Both the ECM and GFS ensembles look ok average at best, but the weather is unlikely to become good with so much HLB still happening and there no sign of it stopping any time soon. 


As for writing off Summer in early May it's the equivalent of writing off winter in early November.  2 weeks is about as far as we can ever look and its looking mixed. 


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moomin75
09 May 2021 09:15:31


Both the ECM and GFS ensembles look ok average at best, but the weather is unlikely to become good with so much HLB still happening and there no sign of it stopping any time soon. 


As for writing off Summer in early May it's the equivalent of writing off winter in early November.  2 weeks is about as far as we can ever look and its looking mixed. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I agree writing off summer in May is a bit ridiculous, but I honestly think patterns for forthcoming seasons set up early, and this pattern looks locked in to me. In other words, a propensity of northern blocking and southerly tracking jet. Never good news in summer.


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Ally Pally Snowman
09 May 2021 09:30:34


I agree writing off summer in May is a bit ridiculous, but I honestly think patterns for forthcoming seasons set up early, and this pattern looks locked in to me. In other words, a propensity of northern blocking and southerly tracking jet. Never good news in summer.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


The HLB pattern has already been here for 6 weeks. I think the chances of it lasting until June are unlikely let alone August. 


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DEW
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09 May 2021 09:42:35

For a more general look around:


16-dayer - weather getting milder, with 'summer colours' reaching the Channel in week 2. Stillcool out to N Norwayand Finland but the blue for day-night below zero has just about gone. Rain persisting for both weeks over NW Britain (not that the SE is entirely dry) and across to Norway, while France, which has a wet week to start with, dries up.


GFS - current LP slowly fills in situ while HP builds on either side of the UK but is finally gone by Sat 15th. Then the Azores high tries to build in with some success for the SE but a series of small Atlantic depressions affect the NW at first and later (Fri 14th) the W. Finally Sun 23rd a larger depression appears over Ireland Sun 23rd 985mb, bringing up a plume which just misses the UK in favour of Holland, and then moves NE.  


GEFS - after this weekend, close to norm or a bit below throughout (op & control show warm outliers later). Rain on and off for most of the period.


EcM - downplays the Azores HP and allows the Atlantic LPs to take a more S-ly track finishing with Wed 19th 1010mb Irish Sea in the middle of a large cool pool. 


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Nick Gilly
09 May 2021 09:49:21


I agree writing off summer in May is a bit ridiculous, but I honestly think patterns for forthcoming seasons set up early, and this pattern looks locked in to me. In other words, a propensity of northern blocking and southerly tracking jet. Never good news in summer.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


1975 just called to say you're being ridiculous...

moomin75
09 May 2021 10:24:17


 


1975 just called to say you're being ridiculous...


Originally Posted by: Nick Gilly 

Taking one year out of 400 plus years is not a valid argument.


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Col
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09 May 2021 14:05:40


Taking one year out of 400 plus years is not a valid argument.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


1983 would like a word too. May was horrendous but July had the 2nd highest monthly CET of all time.


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Taylor1740
09 May 2021 17:21:07
Still looking very unsettled and temperatures average to cool through to nearly the end of the month. Could it be that we don't make 25c in May, that can't have happened often?
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doctormog
09 May 2021 18:07:25

At a glance the outlook looks rather average which I guess is an improvement on it looking rather cool.


moomin75
09 May 2021 19:42:16

Still looking very unsettled and temperatures average to cool through to nearly the end of the month. Could it be that we don't make 25c in May, that can't have happened often?

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


I think this is more likely than ever. Nothing remotely summery on the horizon.


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doctormog
09 May 2021 19:53:11


 


I think this is more likely than ever. Nothing remotely summery on the horizon.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


On the other hand it looks quite “springy”.


fairweather
09 May 2021 19:58:47


 


I think this is more likely than ever. Nothing remotely summery on the horizon.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


21C today and warm sunshine was a big improvement on what we have had though , to say the least.


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fairweather
09 May 2021 20:01:23

I don't ever recall seeing the 850 ensemble mean run so  tight to the long term mean for its whole length with this little deviation. 100% sure the weather will be well, average!


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Saint Snow
09 May 2021 20:04:16


 


The HLB pattern has already been here for 6 weeks. I think the chances of it lasting until June are unlikely let alone August. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 



 


The abysmal summers in that 07-12 era that saw HLB'ing directing low after low over the UK and persistent westerlies tended to start with the HLB'ing in June/July (we had some really good spells in spring in a few of those years)


By September, the pattern had usually faded.


I'm hoping - and expecting - the HLB'ing to have burned itself out by the end of June. 



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ozone_aurora
09 May 2021 20:12:13


 


I think this is more likely than ever. Nothing remotely summery on the horizon.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


However, September could be something to look forward too. September often produces fine, sunny weather, at least away from the NW.

Taylor1740
09 May 2021 20:21:26


 


I think this is more likely than ever. Nothing remotely summery on the horizon.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Agreed, the GEFS are not even giving a whiff of something hot at the moment and even though 850s look average with it being unsettled daytime temps likely to be a little below average. Of course it could flip short term but at this stage it's looking like June at least before what you might class as 'Summer' arrives.


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David M Porter
09 May 2021 20:36:00

Still looking very unsettled and temperatures average to cool through to nearly the end of the month. Could it be that we don't make 25c in May, that can't have happened often?

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


Not for quite a while anyway.


As an aside, does anyone know how many Mays in the 1980s recorded 25c and above?


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