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doctormog
15 April 2023 07:54:19

Yes I have tried to find this to no avail.

I just looked at 2021 and it was the 27th May.

It didn't get much better through the summer with only 23.4c in August and 3 days above 30c the whole summer.

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 



Is this for your own location, as March 2021 (30th) reached 24.5°C?
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tierradelfuego
15 April 2023 09:19:03

Is this for your own location, as March 2021 (30th) reached 24.5°C?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



Thanks, that's interesting somewhere else reached that high. Obviously the South isn't always the warmest, but yes I was talking about my data.
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sunny coast
15 April 2023 11:08:00
I think 1972 was a particularly poor spring and summer not so much wet but particularly cool.  
 
Saint Snow
15 April 2023 21:47:24

It's been a poor week here. If it hasn't rained, there's been an annoying near gale-force wind instead. I'm really just looking forward to something warmer and more settled now. We've got all autumn and winter for wind and rain.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 



See, I'm always ambivalent about weather in April. It's my biggest 'write off' month where I don't care what it does. Warm isn't that warm, cold isn't that cold. 

Only notable exception in recent years was April 2020, which was a cracker to kick off lockdown. Remember working in my dining room, French doors wide open, cooking homemade pizzas with the kids outside in the pizza oven, then grabbing half an hour's sunbathing. 

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Bolty
15 April 2023 23:03:01

See, I'm always ambivalent about weather in April. It's my biggest 'write off' month where I don't care what it does. Warm isn't that warm, cold isn't that cold. 

Only notable exception in recent years was April 2020, which was a cracker to kick off lockdown. Remember working in my dining room, French doors wide open, cooking homemade pizzas with the kids outside in the pizza oven, then grabbing half an hour's sunbathing. 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



See, I'm most ambivalent about October and November. In April, you have fairly long daylight hours and spring freshness, so I like to be able to take advantage of it. The other thing with April is after you've been used to winter, a 15°C day feels decent enough in sunshine. In October/November, you have the same situation you describe (moderate temperatures with little extreme), but also short daylight and dampness, so it can be quite tedious whether it's warm and cold.
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Col
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16 April 2023 04:41:39

See, I'm most ambivalent about October and November. In April, you have fairly long daylight hours and spring freshness, so I like to be able to take advantage of it. The other thing with April is after you've been used to winter, a 15°C day feels decent enough in sunshine. In October/November, you have the same situation you describe (moderate temperatures with little extreme), but also short daylight and dampness, so it can be quite tedious whether it's warm and cold.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 



For me it's September. Usually too late for real summer heat yet normally too early for anything autumnal like frost & gales. The nights are rapidly drawing in, the sun is noticeably losing it's strength and all with a rather sad feeling of summer ebbing away. It's just such a 'nothing' month for me.
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Jiries
16 April 2023 05:43:55

It's been a poor week here. If it hasn't rained, there's been an annoying near gale-force wind instead. I'm really just looking forward to something warmer and more settled now. We've got all autumn and winter for wind and rain.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 



Getting extremely concerned with temperatures not getting above average and to low 20s this month and only 2 month left for longest day so lot of waste and unuseable days. It was all down to SSW spring destroyer as before SSW struck we had much milder warmer days in February which by now we should be getting regular 17c to 24c occasion days instead of boring winter temps.  Glad I am not doing weather data for 11th year now.
Retron
16 April 2023 07:25:34

Getting extremely concerned with temperatures not getting above average and to low 20s

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


LOL, I'm not at all concerned. It's nice to have a normal April for once, at least down here; the normal maximum for East Malling, for example, is a high of 14C in mid-April - and that's the 91-20 version, compared to 12C in the previous 61-90 range.

It's only in the past couple of decades that people have assumed we have a Mediterranean climate, we don't!

 
Leysdown, north Kent
fairweather
16 April 2023 08:59:10
The sunless wet Spring continues as do the BBC forecasts of the non-materialising jam tomorrow. We get two types of weather in my neck of the S.E. these days. Weeks of rain or weeks of drought. No naturally changeable weather, just stuck in blocks of 4-5 weeks.
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richardabdn
16 April 2023 11:10:33
Absolutely horrific spring. It's been extremely wet but I'm not finding that so objectionable as, apart from when I was in London, most of the rain seems to be falling at night.

There are two things I'm finding utterly detestable: relentless cold winds and the diabolical weekends 💩

Until yesterday there hadn't been a single weekend day with more than 4 hours sunshine and a max above 6C 🤮🤯

After the one reasonable day yesterday it's back to pure and utter garbage today. Cloudy, windy, 11C just like a crap mild day in December 😡

Another woeful Sunday in what is becoming the worst run I've ever known. Every time the weekend curse disappears it comes back even worse than ever. 6 consecutive months of it now beating the five consecutive months at the end of 2021. With the hideous weekend curse years of the past like 2007, 2011, 2014 we were looking at sunshine deficits of 10% compared to the weekdays. End of 2021 and start of 2023 it's more like 30%. Utterly surreal horror for which no rational explanation exists.

Sunday after Sunday of absymal grey rubbish almost always followed by sunny Mondays and Tuesdays to rub your nose in it. Utterly pig sick of the poison of the 21st Century which seems to get more toxic with each rotten lousy year that passes.

Average daily sun hours so far this year

Mon:  4.96
Tue:   4.95
Wed:  3.47
Thu:   3.65
Fri :    3.27
Sat :   3.20
Sun:   2.36 🤢🤢🤮

Sunday is less than half of Monday and can't even move off January levels 🤬

As if that wasn't bad enough, the endless feed off the vile north sea and resulting lack of warmth is just ridiculous. Failing to reach 15C in April used to be unusual now it's becoming the norm. Highly likely it will be the 3rd consecutive April to fail to hit 16C something that has never happened before in post-war times. More ludicrous is that every year as seen a higher temperature in March 🤡

At the same time there hasn't even been close to a frost with the lowest min a ludicrous 1.9C. So that would be two out of three months that have been frostless with the highest min on record reflecting persistence of  horridly unpleasant, uninteresting, unsuable weather. Relentless cloud and/or wind that never lets up 😒

This April has been like a mild November with nothing remotely springlike at all. Actually got out cycling far more during last years horrendously wet November as at least there wasn't nasty cold winds blowing constantly which are just pure hell to cycle in. This months mileage so far is so desperate it's as bad as January - the month when the ground was covered in ice for a week 🤢



 
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Saint Snow
16 April 2023 21:09:10

See, I'm most ambivalent about October and November. In April, you have fairly long daylight hours and spring freshness, so I like to be able to take advantage of it. The other thing with April is after you've been used to winter, a 15°C day feels decent enough in sunshine. In October/November, you have the same situation you describe (moderate temperatures with little extreme), but also short daylight and dampness, so it can be quite tedious whether it's warm and cold.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 



I get that. 

It's just that we as a family tend to have things on in October (eldest's birthday on Halloween, Scarefest at Alton Towers). Then there's bonfire night. 

I'd be fine with most of Oct & Nov being *autumnal* if the last two weeks of Oct/first week of Nov were dry and crisp. 

😁

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Bolty
16 April 2023 21:40:27

Getting extremely concerned with temperatures not getting above average and to low 20s this month and only 2 month left for longest day so lot of waste and unuseable days. It was all down to SSW spring destroyer as before SSW struck we had much milder warmer days in February which by now we should be getting regular 17c to 24c occasion days instead of boring winter temps.  Glad I am not doing weather data for 11th year now.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



It's not really a cause for concern at all. It's really not at all unusual to get to the end of April without 20°C being recorded, especially up here. As others have mentioned, I think the last 15 years or so have really skewed perceptions. How many notably warm, dry and sunny Aprils have we had in recent years?

2007 (exceptionally warm, dry and sunny), 2009 (again very mild and sunny), 2011 (the warmest and sunniest on record), 2014 (again very mild), 2015 (very sunny and mild), 2017 (mild), 2018 (exceptional warm spell mid-month), 2019 (mild with an exceptional Easter) and 2020 (exceptionally sunny and in top 10 warmest).

Even April 2021 despite the cold, was exceptionally dry and sunny. In the second half of the month, I remember many days still getting into the upper teens in the sunshine, despite the notably cold nights. Out of all the months of the year, April along with October feels like its warmed the most.
Scott
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sunny coast
16 April 2023 21:43:58

LOL, I'm not at all concerned. It's nice to have a normal April for once, at least down here; the normal maximum for East Malling, for example, is a high of 14C in mid-April - and that's the 91-20 version, compared to 12C in the previous 61-90 range.

It's only in the past couple of decades that people have assumed we have a Mediterranean climate, we don't!

Exactly right ! 

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Jiries
17 April 2023 06:32:38

LOL, I'm not at all concerned. It's nice to have a normal April for once, at least down here; the normal maximum for East Malling, for example, is a high of 14C in mid-April - and that's the 91-20 version, compared to 12C in the previous 61-90 range.

It's only in the past couple of decades that people have assumed we have a Mediterranean climate, we don't!

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 



14C is only 6C below 20C so having a average of 14C I expected high of 22-24C to be the high for April at some point as same to 7-8C maxes mostly at the start of the month are normal, What is not normal is continuing below average to average but no warm spell included.    So very poor month and Spring already thanks to SSW,  Feb remain the best month of the year 2023 for useable temperatures, drier and sunshine.
Retron
17 April 2023 06:35:25

14C is only 6C below 20C so having a average of 14C I expected high of 22-24C to be the high for April at some point.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Uh-huh. 20C now is the equivalent of getting a 1C day in say, February. 24C would be like getting a day with a -3C max in February (down here).

Again - we're not in the Med!
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doctormog
17 April 2023 06:52:17
I guess the average highest maximum for a month and location might be a useful figure to look at too?

On a local note I would, in a typical year, expect a few more above average days than look like this month (and that’s not even considering next week).
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Saint Snow
17 April 2023 09:06:18

It's not really a cause for concern at all. It's really not at all unusual to get to the end of April without 20°C being recorded, especially up here. As others have mentioned, I think the last 15 years or so have really skewed perceptions. How many notably warm, dry and sunny Aprils have we had in recent years?

2007 (exceptionally warm, dry and sunny), 2009 (again very mild and sunny), 2011 (the warmest and sunniest on record), 2014 (again very mild), 2015 (very sunny and mild), 2017 (mild), 2018 (exceptional warm spell mid-month), 2019 (mild with an exceptional Easter) and 2020 (exceptionally sunny and in top 10 warmest).
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Originally Posted by: Bolty 




Worth noting, of course, that the 2007, 2009 & 2011 summers were poor, with 2017 not much better.

2014 & 2015 were very front-loaded (poor Augusts), and 2019 mixed (some hot snaps, but wet overall)

I'd sacrifice April to a rubbish, cool, unsettled month on the altar of a good summer.

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Bolty
17 April 2023 18:17:14

Worth noting, of course, that the 2007, 2009 & 2011 summers were poor, with 2017 not much better.

2014 & 2015 were very front-loaded (poor Augusts), and 2019 mixed (some hot snaps, but wet overall)

I'd sacrifice April to a rubbish, cool, unsettled month on the altar of a good summer.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Yes indeed. I mentioned in the 20°C thread that I never understand why people get so concerned about the summer when we have a cool or poor spring. There are plenty of occasions where a cool/poor spring has given way to a warm or hot summer. In fact, I tend to find that long periods of warmth and dryness in spring is a bad sign for June onwards, and I'd be more worried if we were seeing that now.
Scott
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johncs2016
17 April 2023 18:51:53
Here in Edinburgh, we have now entered the second day of our latest permacast hell with some easterly muck now coming in from off the North Sea.

We did somehow muster up a total of 12 minutes of sunshine at Edinburgh Gogarbank at around 10am yesterday morning, but that was our lot for that entire day and there has been nothing in the way of any recorded sunshine here since then.

Furthermore, this is also when we start looking for our first temperature of the year of 20°C or more and at the very least, we should be at least be getting a number of days by now with decent weather which is warm enough to be out and about without any need for a jumper because for that to happen, the temperature only really needs to above around 15°C here.

Yet, that has happened on only one occasion during this year so far in this part of the world. Our highest temperature of this year so far is 15.8°C at Edinburgh Gogarbank but that was reached on 30 March 2023.

We are now halfway through the spring and more than halfway through this month, and yet we still haven't even had a single temperature here of 15°C or above during this month, let alone 20°C or more.

Absolutely pathetic!!😡
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Jiries
17 April 2023 20:42:49

Yes indeed. I mentioned in the 20°C thread that I never understand why people get so concerned about the summer when we have a cool or poor spring. There are plenty of occasions where a cool/poor spring has given way to a warm or hot summer. In fact, I tend to find that long periods of warmth and dryness in spring is a bad sign for June onwards, and I'd be more worried if we were seeing that now.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 



Yes if we getting 23-27C runs for weeks like 2007 then worry about summer but what I wanted is to see few days of 22-24C being the highest max for April since the average is 14C which is not far from 20C levels so should not impact the summer season.   This month is a cold below average month so far.
Bolty
20 April 2023 15:06:57
Uhh not another northerly showing for early next week, for God's sake. As a gardener, I could really do without the ruddy frost now!
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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Saint Snow
21 April 2023 10:26:51
Another poor weekend on the cards. 

Funny how an easterly or northerly can always manage to get the PPN over to NW England when it's falling as rain, but not when it's snow.

 

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fairweather
21 April 2023 10:39:22
What a dire month this has been here. Virtually sunless and raining and cold most of the time. The models have been awful in their reliability, even at less than a week that has led to the media forecast outlooks being pretty much 100% wrong most of the time. The short term outlook is  awful so lets hope that the promised warm up (again!) materialises for the end of the month this time.
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Jiries
21 April 2023 21:13:33

What a dire month this has been here. Virtually sunless and raining and cold most of the time. The models have been awful in their reliability, even at less than a week that has led to the media forecast outlooks being pretty much 100% wrong most of the time. The short term outlook is  awful so lets hope that the promised warm up (again!) materialises for the end of the month this time.
If in Scotland please ignore!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 



My wife told me a guest who use the gym at her work place told her it been  the worst Spring and for sure the CET should be well below average instead of lying or boosting is been above average.   Only 8 weeks left for longest day and already lost 4-6 weeks of warm spell chances and useable.
Col
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22 April 2023 05:04:46

Another poor weekend on the cards. 

Funny how an easterly or northerly can always manage to get the PPN over to NW England when it's falling as rain, but not when it's snow.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed that!
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