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haghir22
28 October 2013 12:31:56



This isn't in any way a criticism of forecasters, who were factual & sensible (the Met Office ones at least), nor a dig at anyone on here, but the way the media have portrayed this has been laughable. Talk of the storm 'making landfall'; the army of reporters dotted about the south wearing Arctic expedition clothing and talking in overly dramatic and grave voices; FFS, we even gave the storm a name!!!


I personally got the impression that the various media outlets were just itching for the storm to be like a hurricane smashing into a Gulf state.


It's just pure sensationalism.


 

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 


This is it in a nutshell, Sky News this morning was quite frankly laughable


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Why do people persist with this 'Sky News' were awful theme....Simple, watch a decent news channel that isn't reliant on sensationalist headlines.

YNWA
Osprey
28 October 2013 12:38:07


SOD that.... just watched a plane landing on sky news, swaying about everywhere


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


Fly into Hong Kong airport on a windy day.


You would def need a change of underwear...

Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
molitor
28 October 2013 12:49:09

We had around 85mph recorded in Guernsey and still the odd gust up to 65mph about 20mins ago.

Si Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
ManUtdMatt1986
28 October 2013 12:57:19

Had to ban a number of people from my page this morning. Accussing forecasters of scaremongering because their own area escaped the worst. Utter stupidity.

Wasn't too bad here. The wind was ferocious this morning but not too much damage. Just the odd fallen tree, broken branches and damage to fenches.

Sevendust
28 October 2013 13:11:22







Been talking to Bren


Thinks a Stingjet was likely to have occured this morning across the SE but that will doubtless be determined once all the data has been analysed



Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


Aye - Alex Deaken on BBC a moment ago - saying the same.


 


Personally i reckon - looking at the satalite imagery - where the cloud curls around - is about where most of the inland damage has occured. North west  to north London.  So perhaps this is where the stingjet occured?


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


It was quite strange even here. It went from windy to stormy for a short time then eased just as quickly. Many places report the same sequence of events from Hampshire eastwards. I was pleased to witness it although would rather it hadn't!


Originally Posted by: Girthmeister 


Yes, very short-lived and intense around 6. Looking at the radar at the time, it was just beginning to hook around, with our bit of Hampshire on the bottom part. In the absence of other data, the rainfall rates over Oxford-ish at the same time were very heavy, which was other end of the C-shaped squall/SJ line. There was also a characteristic menacing 'roar', which I've heard only once before during an autumn gale, and that was in '87.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Good info - Yes the roar was impressive


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


Was reading about the Dry upper atmosphere air the other day and its impact in storms like this.  I dont have the link to the VM image to see what the real impact was, but basically moisture content more or less = clouds. ... based on : http://www.yr.no/satellitt/europa_animasjon.html  look at the link and you can see a large wedge of Drier cloud free air being sucked into the system over south britain at around 5am.  Wraps around the LP and darts south to London.  I would reckon the Metoffice will be all over this info - and no doubt will confirm a small sting jet on tonights news.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Agree completely - I have been brushing up on my knowledge and looking at the satellite imagery as well. Lots of circumstantial evidence

Osprey
28 October 2013 13:14:44


Had to ban a number of people from my page this morning. Accussing forecasters of scaremongering because their own area escaped the worst. Utter stupidity.

Wasn't too bad here. The wind was ferocious this morning but not too much damage. Just the odd fallen tree, broken branches and damage to fenches.


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


A gentlemen mentioned "Oh well can't lie in bed I've got to get up to remove those 3 leaves from my patio"


To which I retorted


Why don't you wait till you get to 4 leaves? Much easier to carry two leaves each side to the bin...

Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Solar Cycles
28 October 2013 13:18:32

It was certainly not my intention bashing the MetO as Nick R suggested, I still stand by my comment of this being a run of the mill Autumnal storm, granted a little further south than normal but nothing exceptional in terms of wind and rain. Sadly as is the case with any storm system fatalities are inevitable, it will be intersting to see just what media coverage is given for this coming weekends projected storm which should be further North.

Girthmeister
28 October 2013 13:19:05








Been talking to Bren


Thinks a Stingjet was likely to have occured this morning across the SE but that will doubtless be determined once all the data has been analysed



Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


Aye - Alex Deaken on BBC a moment ago - saying the same.


 


Personally i reckon - looking at the satalite imagery - where the cloud curls around - is about where most of the inland damage has occured. North west  to north London.  So perhaps this is where the stingjet occured?


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


It was quite strange even here. It went from windy to stormy for a short time then eased just as quickly. Many places report the same sequence of events from Hampshire eastwards. I was pleased to witness it although would rather it hadn't!


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Yes, very short-lived and intense around 6. Looking at the radar at the time, it was just beginning to hook around, with our bit of Hampshire on the bottom part. In the absence of other data, the rainfall rates over Oxford-ish at the same time were very heavy, which was other end of the C-shaped squall/SJ line. There was also a characteristic menacing 'roar', which I've heard only once before during an autumn gale, and that was in '87.


Originally Posted by: Girthmeister 


Good info - Yes the roar was impressive


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


Was reading about the Dry upper atmosphere air the other day and its impact in storms like this.  I dont have the link to the VM image to see what the real impact was, but basically moisture content more or less = clouds. ... based on : http://www.yr.no/satellitt/europa_animasjon.html  look at the link and you can see a large wedge of Drier cloud free air being sucked into the system over south britain at around 5am.  Wraps around the LP and darts south to London.  I would reckon the Metoffice will be all over this info - and no doubt will confirm a small sting jet on tonights news.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Agree completely - I have been brushing up on my knowledge and looking at the satellite imagery as well. Lots of circumstantial evidence


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


There was a report on that 'other weather forum' from someone in Somerset who experienced a similar rapid increase in wind conditions around 5:20AM, I think, and again looking at the rain radar, it was the same 'feature' that later roared through mid-Hampshire. So, if that was the beginnings of the SJ, it started a fair bit earlier, and further West.

Darren S
28 October 2013 13:27:09


Had to ban a number of people from my page this morning. Accussing forecasters of scaremongering because their own area escaped the worst. Utter stupidity.

Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


If they were talking about the self styled Nathan "The weatherman" Rao from the Daily Express, then they have a point!

Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
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2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
SEMerc
28 October 2013 13:34:20




This isn't in any way a criticism of forecasters, who were factual & sensible (the Met Office ones at least), nor a dig at anyone on here, but the way the media have portrayed this has been laughable. Talk of the storm 'making landfall'; the army of reporters dotted about the south wearing Arctic expedition clothing and talking in overly dramatic and grave voices; FFS, we even gave the storm a name!!!


I personally got the impression that the various media outlets were just itching for the storm to be like a hurricane smashing into a Gulf state.


It's just pure sensationalism.


 

Originally Posted by: haghir22 


This is it in a nutshell, Sky News this morning was quite frankly laughable


Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 


Why do people persist with this 'Sky News' were awful theme....Simple, watch a decent news channel that isn't reliant on sensationalist headlines.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Far too simple. There would be nothing to moan about.

Gusty
28 October 2013 13:45:26

According to my stats it would appear that the probable 'sting jet' passed my location between 06.35- 06.45hrs. This was accompanied by my strongest gusts of the event.


Min pressure was 984.9mb at 06.05hrs. 


The temperature peaked at 15.8c at 06.10hrs but then dropped sharply to 14.4c in 30 minutes. 


Rain from the event = 10.8mm.


As an aside...Did anyone else witness a sudden howling and strong first powerful gust as the wind backed southerly. This occured at Folkestone around 01.35hrs and in the Madistone area a couple of minutes later ?

Steve - Folkestone, Kent
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Scooter
28 October 2013 14:09:29

Still no power at home!!!

JHutch
28 October 2013 14:13:51

107mph reported from north-west Germany (Sankt Peter-Ording in Schleswig-Holstein)


 


110km from Kegnaes in southern Denmark

RobN
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28 October 2013 14:15:57

< 968mb over Denmark at 14:00UTC. We got off lightly.


http://meteocentre.com/analyses/map.php?map=eur_full&date=2013102814&size=large&lang=en&area=eur

Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Medlock Vale Weather
28 October 2013 14:16:50



Looks like my storm in a teacup warning was spot on, Past history tell.s us that the trajectory of the storm would be further south than what was being modelled.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

SC. I'd already warned once about such ridiculous oneupmanship. Apart from the fact that this has not been as "minor" as you seem to be making out. Please refrain from this sort of post.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

It's not meant to be anything other than an observational comment, the trajectory of the storm forecasted looked all wrong IMO thus the intensity also would be wrong.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

See ROb's post above. The problem is it wasn't much further S and wasn't a "storm in a teacup". In other words, your post was merely an attempt at oneupmanship. There's no place for that on there, thank you.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

The original path of the storm was expected to move more NE and deepen, this wasn't the case but yes it was an Autumn storm and yes it caused damage as storms do but this was never going to be an 87 type event.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


No one on here or outside of the Express ever claimed it would be an '87. Between "normal autum storm" and '87' there is a LOT of ground.


SC - any more, please PM me. Your posts about this being a normal storm do not bear up to scrutiny and are now bordering on being trolling. Any more posts in here will be deleted.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


I'm not going to comment on SC's possible motives and certainly don't want to rubbish the effects of this storm - which, like with all storms, are significant for those who are affected - but I would say that there should definitely be a place to discuss the approach by the media, before during and afterwards.


This isn't in any way a criticism of forecasters, who were factual & sensible (the Met Office ones at least), nor a dig at anyone on here, but the way the media have portrayed this has been laughable. Talk of the storm 'making landfall'; the army of reporters dotted about the south wearing Arctic expedition clothing and talking in overly dramatic and grave voices; FFS, we even gave the storm a name!!!


I personally got the impression that the various media outlets were just itching for the storm to be like a hurricane smashing into a Gulf state.


It's just pure sensationalism.


 


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


I agree I have nothing more to add. 

Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
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NeilM
28 October 2013 14:44:31


< 968mb over Denmark at 14:00UTC. We got off lightly.


http://meteocentre.com/analyses/map.php?map=eur_full&date=2013102814&size=large&lang=en&area=eur


Originally Posted by: RobN 


 


The lowest pressure I had as it passed over was 975.3mb at 4:30am.

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Jonesy
28 October 2013 14:49:45

Blowing up again now, and raining steadily, visability in the distance gone as the rain sweeps across.

Medway Towns (Kent)
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idj20
28 October 2013 15:25:04


According to my stats it would appear that the probable 'sting jet' passed my location between 06.35- 06.45hrs. This was accompanied by my strongest gusts of the event.


Min pressure was 984.9mb at 06.05hrs. 


The temperature peaked at 15.8c at 06.10hrs but then dropped sharply to 14.4c in 30 minutes. 


Rain from the event = 10.8mm.


As an aside...Did anyone else witness a sudden howling and strong first powerful gust as the wind backed southerly. This occured at Folkestone around 01.35hrs and in the Madistone area a couple of minutes later ?


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Hi Steve, I was awake at that time, radar watching and following reports but wasn't aware of that howling sound at 1.35 am. I probably had the curtain closed and my hearing aids out, which was just as well as it would freak me out knowing I would be facing several hours of that yet to come.   
  I did see the 6.45 am squall, though. Especially as day time was breaking though and I had the curtains open. That was loud and frightening as I feared for my roof, I thought it was going to rip it off! I also could hear the roaring sound without my aids on.

Folkestone Harbour. 
The Beast from the East
28 October 2013 15:28:14

I think the strongest gust we had was about 52mph, so a standard storm event with very little damage. I've only seen one fallen tree in the area. We missed out on this "sting jet", perhaps just as well but would have been nice to experience it, Perhaps someone filmed it?


 

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stophe
28 October 2013 15:41:42
Got very stormy between 7:00am and 8:00 am this morning at Stansted. It was so windy that that several 737-800s nose wheels actually lifted of the ground whilst parked up. Some trees down on the drive home and some branches here and there.
Andrewsfield weather station recorded a gust of 79 mph around 8:00 am.
Gandalf The White
28 October 2013 15:49:18

Got very stormy between 7:00am and 8:00 am this morning at Stansted. It was so windy that that several 737-800s nose wheels actually lifted of the ground whilst parked up. Some trees down on the drive home and some branches here and there.
Andrewsfield weather station recorded a gust of 79 mph around 8:00 am.

Originally Posted by: stophe 


Did the authorities try to levy a take off and landing fee?

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


ElusivePolarLow
28 October 2013 15:52:40

Something i've not heard explained yet


High winds during Sunday afternoon were strong enough to bring down some tree's and do some


damage


Met Office only had a yellow rain warning out for the south-west


How come, Monday's morning's winds get an amber warning.. yet nothing for Sunday afternoon's winds (which were more widespread)

Scooter
28 October 2013 15:54:45

11 hours without power so far....


 


Freezer and fridge contents are going to be useless

POD
  • POD
  • Advanced Member
28 October 2013 16:06:15


I think the strongest gust we had was about 52mph, so a standard storm event with very little damage. I've only seen one fallen tree in the area. We missed out on this "sting jet", perhaps just as well but would have been nice to experience it, Perhaps someone filmed it?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Indeed.  I went for a walk through the Surrey National golf course, or part of it, around noon, very little damage, a few branches down.  In '87, you could not get off the hill, unless on foot, fallen trees everywhere.  Maximum gust at Kenley airfield today was 109km/hr, 67.7miles an hour.

Pat, Crawley Down, West Sussex.
turbotubbs
28 October 2013 16:09:06


11 hours without power so far....


 


Freezer and fridge contents are going to be useless


Originally Posted by: Scooter 


Freezer contents should be ok as long as you don't open the freezer - most of it will stay frozen for a couple of days due to the insulation and the large thermal reservoir (i.e. the contents).


Fridge - use your nose and don't trust pork pies (I had a horrifc experience with a dodgy prok pie...)

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