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Rob K
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:25:33 PM

Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



What party is that? Still looks cold and HP dominated which is what all the models have been showing since about Saturday.
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doctormog
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:27:46 PM

Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



If you want cold and in longer term possibly wintry weather the ECM run is one of the best options realistically available at the moment.

I'm somewhat confused by your comment. 😕 (and this comes from someone who doesn't actually like anticyclonic easterly type weather!)
cowman
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:32:04 PM
Standard winter fare.( Quote from fergusson).
Charmhills
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:39:56 PM
Essan
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:46:57 PM

Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

If you want cold and in longer term possibly wintry weather the ECM run is one of the best options realistically available at the moment. I'm somewhat confused by your comment. 😕 (and this comes from someone who doesn't actually like anticyclonic easterly type weather!)

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



I'm confused because I didn't realise the weather was determined by computer models

I thought the models just predicted what the weather might do, but until it happens, no-one really knows ...  it's just a(n educated) guess.  Usually, for periods beyond 48 hours they are wrong, or at least, not entirely right.  Success rates being higher under persistent high pressure though.

So what a model says we'll have in a week or more's time is more often than not almost but not exactly what we will not get


Andy
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doctormog
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:52:58 PM

Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(

Originally Posted by: Essan 

If you want cold and in longer term possibly wintry weather the ECM run is one of the best options realistically available at the moment. I'm somewhat confused by your comment. 😕 (and this comes from someone who doesn't actually like anticyclonic easterly type weather!)

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



I'm confused because I didn't realise the weather was determined by computer models UserPostedImage

I thought the models just predicted what the weather might do, but until it happens, no-one really knows ... it's just a(n educated) guess. Usually, for periods beyond 48 hours they are wrong, or at least, not entirely right. Success rates being higher under persistent high pressure though.

So what a model says we'll have in a week or more's time is more often than not almost but not exactly what we will not get UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



I guess we should close this thread down permanently then Andy? 😝
Essan
Monday, November 18, 2013 7:57:13 PM

Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

If you want cold and in longer term possibly wintry weather the ECM run is one of the best options realistically available at the moment. I'm somewhat confused by your comment. 😕 (and this comes from someone who doesn't actually like anticyclonic easterly type weather!)

Originally Posted by: Essan 

I'm confused because I didn't realise the weather was determined by computer models UserPostedImage I thought the models just predicted what the weather might do, but until it happens, no-one really knows ... it's just a(n educated) guess. Usually, for periods beyond 48 hours they are wrong, or at least, not entirely right. Success rates being higher under persistent high pressure though. So what a model says we'll have in a week or more's time is more often than not almost but not exactly what we will not get UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

I guess we should close this thread down permanently then Andy? 😝

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Nah, just treat it as a discussion of what the models show, rather than a forecast of what the weather will be    I do sometimes think some folk fail to understand the difference


Forecasts are based on model output.   Model output are not forecasts


Andy
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NickR
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:13:13 PM

So, a real surprise tonight, then, as ECM turns out not to hold the model-world equivalent of Papal Infallibility.


Miraculously, a blend looks to be where the models are converging. 😮 [More runs needed, of course.  ]


TBH - and joking apart - the UKMO often seems to be near the "convergence" mark in recent experience, though aided, of course, in terms of one's perception, by only going to 144. All looks fairly seasonal, on the cooler side.


Ramping Alerts of 2010 repeat look premature at this stage, but you never know! Hope springs...


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The Beast from the East
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:17:39 PM
Compared to some of the output yesterday and this morning, it is disappointing. Standard winter fare as Fergusson says. Let's hope the block can hold up at a reasonably high latitude. ECM just about hangs on.
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Jonesy
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:29:10 PM

Compared to some of the output yesterday and this morning, it is disappointing. Standard winter fare as Fergusson says. Let's hope the block can hold up at a reasonably high latitude. ECM just about hangs on.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Not bad as it's still Autumn then


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Zubzero
Monday, November 18, 2013 8:29:48 PM

Compared to some of the output yesterday and this morning, it is disappointing. Standard winter fare as Fergusson says. Let's hope the block can hold up at a reasonably high latitude. ECM just about hangs on.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


It is late Autumn not Winter Temps are below average , and the outlook is cold and blocked after this weeks cold northerly

GIBBY
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:16:48 PM

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday November 18th 2013.


All models show a change under way to colder conditions. A showery NW flow will cover the UK tonight and tomorrow followed by a deepening Low pressure moving South down the North Sea on Wednesday with a spell of rain and strong winds with snow on the highest ground briefly. Following in behind will be a return to colder and brighter weather with wintry showers dying out by the weekend as High pressure builds across the UK with frost and patchy fog overnight.


GFS shows High pressure dominant over the UK or just to the West for most of the rest of the run with fine and dry weather with relatively light winds. After a cold start temperatures would gradually rise as warmer uppers come into the mix. However, this is dependant on the amount of fog is around and how quick it clears each day. Late in the run a brief and cold surge affects the East before High pressure returns back over the UK.


UKMO starts next week with High pressure anchored over the UK with fine and dry conditions but cold. Frost and fog will be the main problems in the weather over the period and daytime rather cold levels will be amplified by any persistent fog patches which fail to clear by day.


GEM too tonight shows High pressure well anchored over the UK through the weekend and through much of next week with cold and clear conditions though fog and frost problems will become widespread transport issues through the period.


NAVGEM tonight holds High pressure slightly further North over Scotland with something of an Easterly flow maintained over the South of England and Wales. Northern and Central areas will be dry and fine with frost and fog while Southern areas too are likely to see frost with abit more breeze fog may be more patchy.


ECM shows High pressure too across many parts of the UK at the weekend with the trend to drift it towards Scandinavia as we move through next week. This maintains cold weather across the UK with a stronger Easterly flow over the South making it feel very raw. Frosts will remain widespread but any fog is more likely across Northern areas where winds remain lighter.


The GFS Ensembles show uppers quite low to begin with before a slow recovery to average levels from the end of this week. However, with High pressure generally in control from many members surface conditions may be a good deal colder with frost and fog at surface level quite widespread at times.


The Jet Stream shows the flow moving South across the UK for much of this week before it sets up a clockwise circulation around the UK which would indicate High pressure close to the UK into next week.


In Summary the weather looks like becoming quite settled under High pressure as this weeks rather cold and changeable conditions give way to fine but still cold weather with frost and fog the main features to contend with. Some wintriness may accompany the changeable theme through this week, mostly over the hills. ECM and to a lesser degree NAVGEM shows High pressure held a little further North allowing an Easterly flow across the South next week but other than the risk of the odd wintry shower near the SE coast should ECM verify it looks like a prolonged dry spell for many across the UK.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm


Martin G
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Matty H
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Monday, November 18, 2013 9:35:33 PM
So good he posted them twice [sn_bsmil] Cheers Martin. A dry outlook is most welcome.

Edit: before one got deleted 😛
Chiltern Blizzard
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:51:26 PM


Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


So it's all over then - typical  - razorblades here we come  


Seriously though, we've been spoilt these past years - if it wasn't for November 2010, we wouldn't even be looking seriously for a lengthy period of ice days and blizzards in November.   The weather looks colder than average - a change from the wind and rain - very seasonal really for this time of year. 


Andrew


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Maunder Minimum
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:54:47 PM



Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


So it's all over then - typical  - razorblades here we come  


Seriously though, we've been spoilt these past years - if it wasn't for November 2010, we wouldn't even be looking seriously for a lengthy period of ice days and blizzards in November.   The weather looks colder than average - a change from the wind and rain - very seasonal really for this time of year. 


Andrew


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I don't understand - it looks as though a cracking spell of late autumn weather is coming up, with calm settled conditions, frost and fog.


This is still November - we don't tend to get blizzards in November.


New world order coming.
Quantum
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:56:42 PM




Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


So it's all over then - typical  - razorblades here we come  


Seriously though, we've been spoilt these past years - if it wasn't for November 2010, we wouldn't even be looking seriously for a lengthy period of ice days and blizzards in November.   The weather looks colder than average - a change from the wind and rain - very seasonal really for this time of year. 


Andrew


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


I don't understand - it looks as though a cracking spell of late autumn weather is coming up, with calm settled conditions, frost and fog.


This is still November - we don't tend to get blizzards in November.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes but the time for the extreme lake effect thundersnow showers is running out, they become increasingly unobtainable by january. 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:01:01 PM




Great, so the ECM has left the party now :(

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


So it's all over then - typical UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage- razorblades here we comeUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
Seriously though, we've been spoilt these past years -if itwasn't for November 2010, we wouldn't even be looking seriously for a lengthy period of ice days and blizzards in November. The weather looks colder than average - a change from the wind and rain- very seasonal really for this time of year.
Andrew

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I don't understand - it looks as though a cracking spell of late autumn weather is coming up, with calm settled conditions, frost and fog.
This is still November - we don't tend to get blizzards in November.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Yes but the time for the extreme lake effect thundersnow showers is running out, they become increasingly unobtainable by january.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



You're kidding, it is still autumn?! Off-topic but we have had some cracking thundersnow here in March. I'm not sure I recall thundersnow in November, not here anyway.

Anyway back on topic and the 18z GFS still looks rather chilly so far (currently out to about 90hrs)
JoeShmoe99
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:03:03 PM
Let's hope its sunny because dry, cold, grey nothingness for days on end is interminably dull. I'd rather a good Atlantic storm
Quantum
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:04:00 PM

Great, so the ECM has left the party now 😞

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

So it's all over then - typical UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage- razorblades here we comeUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage Seriously though, we've been spoilt these past years -if itwasn't for November 2010, we wouldn't even be looking seriously for a lengthy period of ice days and blizzards in November. The weather looks colder than average - a change from the wind and rain- very seasonal really for this time of year. Andrew

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I don't understand - it looks as though a cracking spell of late autumn weather is coming up, with calm settled conditions, frost and fog. This is still November - we don't tend to get blizzards in November.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Yes but the time for the extreme lake effect thundersnow showers is running out, they become increasingly unobtainable by january.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

You're kidding, it is still autumn?! Off-topic but we have had some cracking thundersnow here in March. I'm not sure I recall thundersnow in November, not here anyway. Anyway back on topic and the 18z GFS still looks rather chilly so far (currently out to about 90hrs)

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


the 552 isopleth is slightly further south though. So probaly no major upgrade or anything on this one. 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Jason H
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:05:20 PM

JANUARY 1987


I feel great! so maybe I might just
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Then maybe I'll stay alive

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Stormchaser
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:11:55 PM

Not impressed to see a few people breaking down already - it's very early days!


We look to have just had something I've seen numerous times in the past, which is some of the models showing a particular setup developing with too much haste but then having to slow it down.


In this case, GFS has been coming the other way, which is fairly typical when there's blocking to the N and NE involved.


The meeting at halfway house could be upon us soon... and UKMO will be waiting inside with a smug look on it's face 




Right now, it seems we have a major displacement on offer from GFS and a marginal split from ECM. It may be at 192h+ range, but at this time of year that's a lot better than should ever be considered normal!


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nsrobins
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:32:10 PM


JANUARY 1987


Originally Posted by: Jason H 


Was after December 1986 unless I am much mistaken.
Failing that, what was your point?


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moomin75
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:38:52 PM

Well I'm glad there is no impending ice age just around the corner, if only to put yet more egg on the faces on those muppets at the Daily Express, the Star, and the so-called "experts" who constantly predict armageddon.


As far as I'm concerned, a mild winter would do nicely, if only to shut them up again for a while (not that they will stay quiet for long of course, they'll probably metamorphicise into another organisation)....


As has been pointed out, just standard late November fare on offer for the forseeable future, nothing too cold.


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Hungry Tiger
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:38:57 PM

Just a little reminder to one or two people to keep on topic.


Thanks.


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Quantum
Monday, November 18, 2013 10:39:12 PM

Hmm, what's NAVGEM up to now. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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