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02 January 2014 23:07:02

20 severe flood warnings already in place in SW region with gales, low pressure and storm surge on top of two spring tides during Friday.

The EA are taking this one seriously and I expect many reports of coastal flooding in the next 24 hours.


Although it is associated with the current run of stormy weather I thought it was worthy of a dedicated thread.


Neil
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Phil G
02 January 2014 23:12:53
Yes good idea Neil as this looks like another headline maker.
Here are some links so far from the BBC on the developing situation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25572390 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-25575190 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-25575166 

02 January 2014 23:23:39
i may pop down to Bosham either tomorrow or Sat around lunchtime when high tide is due... For those of you who know this part of the world, it is likely the tea shop will be cut off! There is amazing footage on UTube of Bosham in August 1992 with an exceptionally hightide... can anyone shed any light on why it was so high then.... The footage is actually rather scary...
Jive Buddy
02 January 2014 23:42:55

I see the Police have already declared a major incident in the far SW, and my Emergency Response colleagues in the Red Cross have been put on standby to assist with evacs and rest centres.


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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Jonesy
03 January 2014 00:40:02
Not so much Coastal but I'll add this anyway, The sunshine today helped with some of the standing water around here & Maidstone but again we are experiencing alot of rain currently ๐Ÿ˜ž

The weekend looks a washout also ๐Ÿ˜ž
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Phil G
03 January 2014 08:08:53
Maybe early days but while the BBC live text says some areas hit, also mentions some vulnerable areas may have escaped after this mornings high tide.
While this evenings high tide should be 6-8 inches less than this morning, charts suggest however that the wind may be stronger so the worst maybe still to come later on.
Saint Snow
03 January 2014 09:05:00

High tides in the NW and N Wales will coincide with the strongest winds. There are flood warnings on the Mersey for its entire tidal reach - which is well inland at Warrington.



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Phil G
03 January 2014 09:57:24
BBC live text reports the River Severn has burst its banks at Minsterworth. Maybe as a result of the bore and incoming tide.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25580722 
idj20
03 January 2014 10:28:28
Looking set to be a long day for us weather watchers as well as obviously for those who could/will be affected.

But I'm finding it odd that right now yr.no and xcweather , which I use to follow close range forecasting, are showing 19/20 m/s winds or 30 to 45 mph winds for this area and yet it is calm as a mill pond with sunshine and only passing showers. I forecasted there were going to be some sunshine anyway and I wasn't too sure about the showery part but with a 950 mb low pressure close by, I would be expecting the wind to be getting up by now as per the models. 
   Mind you, the GFS charts are showing the gustiness to peak at around 5 pm here but that coincides with a receding spring tide.
   However, I guess there is that delayed reaction where the tidal surge work it's way eastwards over the Channel in the next 48 hours, so as our wind becomes a strong southerly tonight then perhaps that's when the tidal surge get to be felt at this end at 12 am midnight tonight, like a build up effect. Remember when the North Sea ultra spring tide occurred long since after the storm system had moved on? I got to see the spring tide but the weather had calmed down and it was bright with excellent light for photography.
  I hope those who are in the high risk zone will get off with the minimum of problems, nothing worse than knowing about a storm system being on it's way and wondering how much damage and heartache it's going to bring.

I think the excitement of this kind of thing has now been replaced with worry and anxiety whereas a few years ago, I would be saying "Bring it on!"and end up feeling disappointed when nothing happened. Must be an age thing.
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03 January 2014 10:34:51

Calm as anything here in west sussex with lovely blue skies, is this the calm before the storm ????

Phil G
03 January 2014 10:55:32
Think those away from the SW and west will be okay, but those areas mentioned should expect at least the same this evening.
Phil G
03 January 2014 11:09:37
On Sky news just watching flooding at Christchurch caused by the River Stour. Doesn't look good.
Rob K
03 January 2014 11:12:26
BBC live text reporting that people are stealing the sandbags that were put out by police along the river in Belfast to use at their own houses (and on Twitter people are saying that people are selling them!)
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Saint Snow
03 January 2014 11:13:35

A sign of modern [no such thing as] society:



The police were very proactive in placing sandbags along the
Connswater River last night. Unfortunately, the actions of some local residents
were an absolute disgrace and these sandbags have been removed to private
dwellings. When challenged, one of the men removing the sandbags stated that he
didn't care about anyone else, and would be looking after himself. The section
of the river at the Lewis Square development is now wholly unprotected, and as
the owner of a property along there I know who I'll blame if my home is
flooded!


BBC Live =Emma, Sydenham, Belfast wrote:


 



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Saint Snow
03 January 2014 13:59:13

The coastal flooding seems very widespread, but mostly nowhere near as serious as had been feared.



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mbradshaw
03 January 2014 14:04:11

Some coastal flooding in Stornoway, Lewis at the moment, thanks to storm surge and high tide:


https://www.facebook.com/pages/EVENTS-whats-happening-in-Lewis-Harris/119791098051870


Seemingly there is a big argument about why SEPA released their flood warning after high tide had flooded. Not so good 

idj20
03 January 2014 14:08:56
And over here at the Harbour area, the sun is beaming away after a bout of showery rain and the wind is being nothing more than a bit of a breeze. Just how on Earth can this be possible when the rest of the UK are getting soaked and battered? According to yr.no, I should be experiencing 22 m/s winds with heavy rain by now . . . but hey, I'm not complaining and I do genuinely feel for those who are being affected by the weather in one form or another as I watch it all unfold on the news and the internet.
  I will never buy a house that has a lake or a river next to it no matter how quiet and inviting it all looks, that would just be asking for trouble.
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Saint Snow
03 January 2014 14:36:52

And over here at the Harbour area, the sun is beaming away after a bout of showery rain and the wind is being nothing more than a bit of a breeze. Just how on Earth can this be possible when the rest of the UK are getting soaked and battered? According to yr.no, I should be experiencing 22 m/s winds with heavy rain by now . . . but hey, I'm not complaining and I do genuinely feel for those who are being affected by the weather in one form or another as I watch it all unfold on the news and the internet.   I will never buy a house that has a lake or a river next to it no matter how quiet and inviting it all looks, that would just be asking for trouble.

Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


To be honest, it's been mostly sunny here in Manc. It's clouded over on occassion, and we've had a couple of light, brief showers, but the wind has been nothing stronger than 'breezy'.


 



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idj20
03 January 2014 14:49:31

And over here at the Harbour area, the sun is beaming away after a bout of showery rain and the wind is being nothing more than a bit of a breeze. Just how on Earth can this be possible when the rest of the UK are getting soaked and battered? According to yr.no, I should be experiencing 22 m/s winds with heavy rain by now . . . but hey, I'm not complaining and I do genuinely feel for those who are being affected by the weather in one form or another as I watch it all unfold on the news and the internet.   I will never buy a house that has a lake or a river next to it no matter how quiet and inviting it all looks, that would just be asking for trouble.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


To be honest, it's been mostly sunny here in Manc. It's clouded over on occassion, and we've had a couple of light, brief showers, but the wind has been nothing stronger than 'breezy'.


 

Originally Posted by: idj20 



I've had it on good authority that the gusty winds and heavy showers are going to arrive here by 5 pm so I don't thnk I can breath a sigh of relief just yet. But for every quiet hour gone by is a bonus.
  Also there's persistent rain and strong southerly winds to look forward to tomorrow, with the risk of the storm surge arriving at this end so the high tides will still need watching.

Look at the mess the storm is making in Wales: www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-weather-30-dramatic-pictures-6466050
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03 January 2014 15:11:58

i may pop down to Bosham either tomorrow or Sat around lunchtime when high tide is due... For those of you who know this part of the world, it is likely the tea shop will be cut off! There is amazing footage on UTube of Bosham in August 1992 with an exceptionally hightide... can anyone shed any light on why it was so high then.... The footage is actually rather scary...

Originally Posted by: chichesterweatherfan 


High tide at Sidlesham, just round the other side of Selsey Bill, was very high, but perhaps 15-20cm lower than I have seen it at peak equinoctial tides. I don't think the storm surge on this part of the coast was quite as great as feared.


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Rob K
03 January 2014 17:31:37

Look at the mess the storm is making in Wales: www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-weather-30-dramatic-pictures-6466050

Originally Posted by: idj20 


http://i1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article6465027.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/JS30745570-6465027.jpg


 


That road appears to have been built directly on top of shingle 


Dodgy Welsh builders.


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polarwind
03 January 2014 17:43:47


Look at the mess the storm is making in Wales: www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-weather-30-dramatic-pictures-6466050

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


http://i1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article6465027.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/JS30745570-6465027.jpg


 


That road appears to have been built directly on top of shingle 


Dodgy Welsh builders.


Originally Posted by: idj20 

In all probability, an excellent material for a sub-base to a road.


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Rob K
03 January 2014 18:12:01



Look at the mess the storm is making in Wales: www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-weather-30-dramatic-pictures-6466050

Originally Posted by: polarwind 


http://i1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article6465027.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/JS30745570-6465027.jpg


 


That road appears to have been built directly on top of shingle 


Dodgy Welsh builders.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

In all probability, an excellent material for a sub-base to a road.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Not on the evidence of that photo 


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Bugglesgate
03 January 2014 18:19:48




Look at the mess the storm is making in Wales: www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-weather-30-dramatic-pictures-6466050

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


http://i1.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article6465027.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/JS30745570-6465027.jpg


 


That road appears to have been built directly on top of shingle 


Dodgy Welsh builders.


Originally Posted by: polarwind 

In all probability, an excellent material for a sub-base to a road.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Not on the evidence of that photo 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


It's  a pretty stable material when contained by the concerete structure.  Of course once the concete and its foundations get destroyed you are just left with a shingle beach again.


The real question is the depth of the concrete containment.  I'm sure  if cost was no  object they could go down far enough to make it pretty impenetrable ...... of course that  level of  cost  might mean someone else doesn’t get their protection.


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nsrobins
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04 January 2014 08:13:39

I've edited the title to cover river issues today.


It's been pouring here since 3am. I reset my gauge after the thunderstorm yesterday evening and already have 18mm with another 15mm likely.


Almost certain groundwater and river flooding problems will ensue.


Neil
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