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05 January 2014 17:09:18

Still looking zonal and wet to me.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Mmm, zonal and wet?


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014010512/UW144-21.GIF?05-18


There's more to life than the GFS, thankfully.


Leysdown, north Kent
David M Porter
05 January 2014 17:13:51


GFS 12z very mobile. The building high from the south hardly materialises and we end up back in a stream of lows. January could end up being a very wet month.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I'd wait to see where it sits in the ENS before predicting the outcome  of January


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


You've been saying pretty much the same thing since November Marcus. Still looking zonal and wet to me.
So glad I missed December although I did have to endure some utter crap cricket.

Originally Posted by: whitelightning 


True, but this zonal & wet period can't go on forever, certainly when it is as intense as we've seen lately. It seems to me that the GFS of all the models is the most keen on continuing the west-east zonal pattern whereas the others seem to some extent to be toying with the idea of a change.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
jondg14
05 January 2014 17:23:33


GFS 12z very mobile. The building high from the south hardly materialises and we end up back in a stream of lows. January could end up being a very wet month.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I'd wait to see where it sits in the ENS before predicting the outcome  of January


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


You've been saying pretty much the same thing since November Marcus. Still looking zonal and wet to me.
So glad I missed December although I did have to endure some utter crap cricket.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


True, but this zonal & wet period can't go on forever, certainly when it is as intense as we've seen lately. It seems to me that the GFS of all the models is the most keen on continuing the west-east zonal pattern whereas the others seem to some extent to be toying with the idea of a change.

Originally Posted by: whitelightning 



As GFS always is!
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05 January 2014 17:32:45



GFS 12z very mobile. The building high from the south hardly materialises and we end up back in a stream of lows. January could end up being a very wet month.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I'd wait to see where it sits in the ENS before predicting the outcome  of January


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


You've been saying pretty much the same thing since November Marcus. Still looking zonal and wet to me.
So glad I missed December although I did have to endure some utter crap cricket.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


True, but this zonal & wet period can't go on forever, certainly when it is as intense as we've seen lately. It seems to me that the GFS of all the models is the most keen on continuing the west-east zonal pattern whereas the others seem to some extent to be toying with the idea of a change.


Originally Posted by: whitelightning 


 


Correct, but ECMF seems quite adament o build a high over in Scandinavia.


Kingston Upon Thames
Karl Guille
05 January 2014 17:35:50
GEM gets very close to delivering with extremely cold -850hPA temps just across the water!

St. Sampson
Guernsey
Polar Low
Karl Guille
05 January 2014 17:50:37

Hints from gfs control


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=252&mode=0&carte=0

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Unfortunately, there appears to be little eastern promise from this set of ensembles!

St. Sampson
Guernsey
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
05 January 2014 17:55:31
This is a relieving 12z UKMO run- less wet after Thursday next week, less rain and less windy but either North South or NW SE split is shown on UKMO at 12z T120 and T144hrs.

I will be looking in the next Week or so at later in2nd Week and Week 3 of January- the ECMWF, GFS and the UKMO will need close watching, as we could tap into Cold NW flow or a NE Flow, either by NW Atlantic Low or Scandy High, and if the Jet rides over the top with it the Energy- and pour a SW Tracking Low from Sweden or Baltic Sea/ Belarus A SW tracking Trof and Low, and Norway to W & N Sweden / Denmark N Germany High then it could be that as Low Pressure from NW Atlantic splits along with the Vortex and a Svalbard / n and NW Norwegian Sea SE Arctic High Develop, we could see the NW and N Atlantic PFJ Stream break into Southern Europe with the northern Arm disrupted by High to our NW and over Norwegian Sea/ SE Arctic, the GFS and UKMO will take some days or a Week to tell us this, and we could see the Third and Fourth week of a January 2014 turn cold and Frosty in Northern Europe that could Include the East and South UK,

SW and South Central Europe May see Eastward moving low pressure and very cold air could affect E Europe and N Europe, while some NW to N Atlantic Zonality upto Iceland could be expected and we may also get some cold NW or northerly flows thanks to NW and N Atlantic large bending waves of PV Low's, and some UK high pressure building from the East and from SW Europe and from our NE could bring less wet and Windy weather as well- give the Models another 12 days to get fixed!.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Polar Low
05 January 2014 18:03:35
Gooner
05 January 2014 18:05:38


GFS 12z very mobile. The building high from the south hardly materialises and we end up back in a stream of lows. January could end up being a very wet month.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I'd wait to see where it sits in the ENS before predicting the outcome  of January


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


You've been saying pretty much the same thing since November Marcus. Still looking zonal and wet to me.
So glad I missed December although I did have to endure some utter crap cricket.

Originally Posted by: whitelightning 


That is a very odd comment for you to make


I thought my comment was one of sense , why make a forecast for the month on January 5th ? on the basis of one run when you haven't even seen the ENS


It was mere advise .


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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moomin75
05 January 2014 18:21:58


GFS 12z very mobile. The building high from the south hardly materialises and we end up back in a stream of lows. January could end up being a very wet month.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I'd wait to see where it sits in the ENS before predicting the outcome  of January


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


You've been saying pretty much the same thing since November Marcus. Still looking zonal and wet to me.
So glad I missed December although I did have to endure some utter crap cricket.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


That is a very odd comment for you to make


I thought my comment was one of sense , why make a forecast for the month on January 5th ? on the basis of one run when you haven't even seen the ENS


It was mere advise .

Originally Posted by: whitelightning 


Was tongue in cheek Marcus. You know me. But the charts just have exactly the same look to me as they did 4 weeks ago when I went away. Not much chance of a long term pattern change from what I can see.

Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Karl Guille
05 January 2014 18:39:42
ECM 168 is looking very promising!!
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2014 18:43:47

ECM 168 is looking very promising!!

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 




Indeed cold uppers on their way!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Polar Low
05 January 2014 18:44:02
moomin75
05 January 2014 18:44:24
No what I meant was any pattern change that may or may not occur would probably be very shortlived. That's if it occurs at all.
There is just way too much energy for any meaningful block to establish in my humble view.
Hope I am wrong but time will tell.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
David M Porter
05 January 2014 18:47:07

ECM 168 is looking very promising!!

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Yes, looks like it may be going down a similar route to this morning's GEM run, which built HP very strongly to the east.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2014 18:53:59
Cold air just gets here not the mega easterly I was hoping for though. A great run nonetheless.



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
roger63
05 January 2014 18:54:09

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


Will the scandi hp get sucked SW into the west europeah HP by 240H

Polar Low
05 January 2014 18:54:40

im very happy with that


 


Cold air just gets here not the mega easterly I was hoping for though. A great run nonetheless.



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Gusty
05 January 2014 19:00:14

Atlantic too strong on this ECM run...ouch.


Interesting to see where it sits on the ensembles


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010512/ECM1-240.GIF?05-0


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
05 January 2014 19:05:33

im very happy with that


 


Cold air just gets here not the mega easterly I was hoping for though. A great run nonetheless.



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 




Indeed and a good looking JMA tonight as well. Seems to be most of the models against the GFS this evening.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=192&mode=1 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Polar Low
05 January 2014 19:05:38

im not to sure Steve longer term


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


 



Atlantic too strong on this ECM run...ouch.


Interesting to see where it sits on the ensembles


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010512/ECM1-240.GIF?05-0


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 

David M Porter
05 January 2014 19:06:24

No what I meant was any pattern change that may or may not occur would probably be very shortlived. That's if it occurs at all.
There is just way too much energy for any meaningful block to establish in my humble view.
Hope I am wrong but time will tell.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


The thing is, we could have said (in fact I'm sure that some people were saying) similar things at this time last year when we were coming out of a spell of zonality that had doninated Xmas 2012 and New Year 2013, e.g "It'll be zonal & mild from now until the end of January, there won't be any changes before then", etc. But it did change, and fairly quickly as well. There was a lot of energy in the atlantic at the start of 2013 as well but it didn't have much influence on our weather during the second half of last winter.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Polar Low
05 January 2014 19:08:10
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