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The Beast from the East
26 January 2014 11:05:18

long range ECM not very good


http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php


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Gooner
26 January 2014 11:06:19

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012606/gfsnh-10-360.png?6


warming is much better in the 6z


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2014 11:14:42

long range ECM not very good
http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Yep the ECM ensembles are very bullish ona return to zonal muck. We have a 5ish day window to get snow IMO.



Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2014 11:18:22

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012606/gfsnh-10-360.png?6 
warming is much better in the 6z

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



This is our only hope for a sustained cold spell. On the face of it it looks very good but how and when will it effect our weather. The warming actually Really gets going as early as day 5.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=120&mode=10&carte=1 





Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
The Beast from the East
26 January 2014 11:18:30

GFS control


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-0-1-144.png?6


Most of the ENS are very good with sliders and undercuts


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Snowedin3
26 January 2014 11:24:10

GFS control
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-0-1-144.png?6 
Most of the ENS are very good with sliders and undercuts

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



If the op spurned out this everyone would b going mental!
Dean Barnes
Finstock, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire
160m ASL 525 Ft
Rob K
26 January 2014 12:20:07
Hmm, first look at the models for a day or so and it looks like winter is back off the menu for most. Certainly the models look much less inspiring than they did a day or two ago, although with so much variability that calling any detail is pretty hard.


However there does seem to be a consensus that in a week or 10 days we will be back in a much less cold westerly pattern.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Quantum
26 January 2014 12:20:56

Two distinct and widely different options showing on the models today. 


1) Short cold spell followed by atlantic break through with polar maritime conditions


(supported by ECM + GFS and possibly JMA at 84h)


2) Cold spell followed by battle ground situ as rain turns to snow from the west and falls away, leaving a bitterly cold regime


(supported by NAVGEM + GEM and possibly UKMO at 144h)


 


The UKMO only goes to 144h so it is dificult to see which one it goes for, but either 2) or the middle ground seems likely.


Uncertainty is unusually high with this split occuring in the reliable timeframe. 


 


Note that the GFS 6z, has moves slighlty towards 2) over the 0Z but is still in that catogary. I really wouldn't like to forecast what happens after midweek, it looks like a forecasters nightmare. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
David M Porter
26 January 2014 12:33:37

Hmm, first look at the models for a day or so and it looks like winter is back off the menu for most. Certainly the models look much less inspiring than they did a day or two ago, although with so much variability that calling any detail is pretty hard. However there does seem to be a consensus that in a week or 10 days we will be back in a much less cold westerly pattern.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Don't think we can be anywhere approaching sure of what happens from late this week going forward- see Quantum's post just above this one.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Rob K
26 January 2014 12:34:20
What is certain though Q is that the major arctic blocking shown a few days ago on most models has virtually vanished recently. Without that I can't see any notable cold spell occurring. Still plenty of time though.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Whether Idle
26 January 2014 12:38:18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012600/gfsnh-10-348.png?0


0z shows a warming, not as schorchio as yesterdays but stll splits that blue thing


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Strat temperature FI charts are up and down more than a whore's drawers.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Matty H
26 January 2014 12:55:31
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