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Medlock Vale Weather
14 May 2014 20:34:50






History shows you can't look past the South Americans , I would be surprised if one of the Europeans won the WC

Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


True we can never discount them completely, but having said that in 2006 Italy won it and then Spain in 2010. In both those finals those 4 teams were European teams (Italy-France 2006) (Spain-Netherlands 2010).....but no South American ones present.
3 out of the past 4 world cups have seen a European Winner.

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 



Of all the world cups played in southern / central america only winners have been from S America . No European team has won there... A few have already mentioned Brazil are strong favourites

Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


Of all the world cups European teams have won more - No superstition in that 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Err think your missing the point.... NO EUROPEAN TEAM Has won the Cup in South / Central America so your comment is totaly insignificant with the exception it probably means more world cups have been held outside of south and central America.


Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


Doesn't matter - the new future can be written, absolutely no reason to say a European team won't win the whole thing over there just because of what's happened in the past.


In that regard fairy superstitions from you're part don't count. I don't believe 1 magpie will give me bad luck.


Europe has dominated the world cup in terms of overall wins.......just. Most likely due to Europes strengths in all areas maybe even better training facilities, whereas south American teams concentrate far more only on attack. You won't win all time with just a great attack. At some point you have to defend when you meet better teams after the groups, and that's where they slipped up over the past 2 world cups.


In fact looking at their provisional lineup I would say Spain has a fantastic chance to hold on to the cup and be only the 3rd team to do it after first Italy and then Brazil. Spain are not any weaker than 4 years ago. 


 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Spain certainly are weaker than 4 years ago !!! The team was very much based upon Xavi and insists who 4 years ago were in their prime. Spain do carry the same threat as 4 years ago.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Nonsense 2 players don't win world cups you obviously know little about football  and you probably haven't bothered to look through Spains squad.........also check their performances this season and a lot of them have been phenomenal.


Goalkeepers: David De Gea (Manchester United), Iker Casillas (Real Madrid) Pepe Reina (Liverpool)


Defenders: Dani Carvajal, Sergio Ramos (both Real Madrid), Gerard Pique, Jordi Alba (both Barcelona), Cesar Azplicueta (Chelsea), Juanfran (Atletico Madrid), Javi Martinez (Bayern Munich), Raul Albiol (Napoli), Alberto Moreno (Sevilla).


Midfielders: Sergio Busquets, Xavi Hernandez, Andres Iniesta, Cesc Fabregas (all Barcelona), Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid), Ander Iturraspe (Athletic Bilbao), David Silva (Manchester City), Santi Cazorla (Arsenal), Koke (Atletico Madrid), Tiago Alcantara (Bayern Munich), Juan Mata (Manchester United), Jesus Navas (Manchester City).


Forwards: Diego Costa, David Villa (both Atletico Madrid), Alvaro Negredo (Manchester City), Pedro Rodriguez (Barcelona), Fernando Llorente (Juventus), Fernando Torres (Chelsea).


Weaker squad, no way! pretty much the same strength as 4 years ago, just a couple of players back who were in their prime are now replaced by ones in their prime right now. But having said that players like Iniesta should still be in his prime now, he's 30 not 35. With Xavi that is understandable as he is 34 1/2 so close to bein ruled out completely.


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Medlock Vale Weather
14 May 2014 20:53:04


For me, a European team has just as much chance as a South American team of winning this years World Cup.  If I were forced to make a prediction I would say the South American teams edge it by a neck, particularly Brazil. Why? Nothing to do with squad talent per se, though a look at Uruguay and Argentina's squads, and obviously Brazil's, show some supreme attacking talent, and though weaker defensively, still not too bad. More to do with partisan crowds, unfamilar climate, spread out venues meaning much travelling, and the home advantage (relative).


It is hard to ignore history also. Indeed, history shows no non-South American winners of World Cups in the Americas full stop. Mexico 70 and 86, and USA 94 were all South American winners. However, for me, the previous points are more valid IMO for a South American winner.


from Europe, then Germany, Italy, or Spain could spoil the party. I don't expect much from France (though they will do better this time round but hardly difficult not to), and for England a last 16 place max.  Dark horses for me are Belgium. Hugely talented squad, strong in all departments, and definitely worth a punt.  What price on a Belgium v Uruguay final? 


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


True and one thing is for sure.....we won't know until July lol. Just a waiting game now.


I think the German midfield is the best in the tournament.........by some distance.


Midfielders: Lars Bender (Bayer Leverkusen), Julian Draxler, (Schalke 04), Kevin Grosskreutz (Borussia Dortmund), Sami Khedira (Real Madrid), Matthias Ginter (SC Freiburg), Leon Goretzka (Schalke 04), Mario Gotze (Bayern Munich), Andre Hahn (Augsburg), Toni Kroos (Bayern Munich), Max Meyer (Schalke), Thomas Müller (Bayern Munich), Mesut Ozil (Arsenal), Lukas Podolski (Arsenal), Marco Reus (Borussia Dortmund), Andre Schurrle (Chelsea), Bastian Schweinsteiger (Bayern Munich)


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
haghir22
15 May 2014 05:49:36
I've drawn the Germans in the office sweepstake. Not sure how to feel!!?
YNWA
Matty H
15 May 2014 07:08:41

I've drawn the Germans in the office sweepstake. Not sure how to feel!!?

Originally Posted by: haghir22 



Nazi scum 😒











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SEMerc
16 May 2014 03:00:41

I've drawn the Germans in the office sweepstake. Not sure how to feel!!?

Originally Posted by: haghir22 


Can't see the Germans winning it. Too little depth as far as the back four are concerned. Take away Lahm and Hummels (on a good day) and there's not a lot left. Neuer is the class goalkeeper of the tournament though.

future_is_orange
16 May 2014 08:50:42


I've drawn the Germans in the office sweepstake. Not sure how to feel!!?

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Can't see the Germans winning it. Too little depth as far as the back four are concerned. Take away Lahm and Hummels (on a good day) and there's not a lot left. Neuer is the class goalkeeper of the tournament though.


Originally Posted by: haghir22 


Very good team.... possibly could make the Final. They do have a lack of strikers.. preferring to utilise midfileders like Muller in attacking roles. Tho cant see past Brazil tbh.

Matty H
16 May 2014 11:38:12
Lambert says he's amazed to have been selected. That's two of us, Rickie. The news piece on 5 Live was worth listening to though:

"Rickie Lambert made his way up through the football rankings having previously played at clubs like non-league Bristol Rovers" 😁
bowser
16 May 2014 12:56:35

I've drawn the Germans in the office sweepstake. Not sure how to feel!!?

Originally Posted by: haghir22 


A lot better than if you drew Honduras! 😞... Granted, I also got the one man band that is Portugal to give me hope

haghir22
16 May 2014 14:32:42


I've drawn the Germans in the office sweepstake. Not sure how to feel!!?

Originally Posted by: bowser 


A lot better than if you drew Honduras! 😞... Granted, I also got the one man band that is Portugal to give me hope


Originally Posted by: haghir22 


My administrator drew Honduras......


YNWA
Arcus
16 May 2014 14:39:18


"Rickie Lambert made his way up through the football rankings having previously played at clubs like non-league Bristol Rovers" BigGrin

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Ouch! 


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ARTzeman
17 May 2014 12:31:05

VIVA ESPANA  ......   My Choice for winning the world cup. ....






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Medlock Vale Weather
18 May 2014 16:30:07

Going to go for German win - not a bad defence with arguably one of the best goal keepers around, Weidenfeller is also a great keeper and he is back up - superb solid midfield (midfield is the engine of any team) - decent strikers, would be very surprised if they do not make at least the semis.


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Gooner
18 May 2014 18:25:30

Most of the Germans had a bad end to the Season , predictably I think one of the South Americans will win


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Medlock Vale Weather
18 May 2014 18:42:27


Most of the Germans had a bad end to the Season , predictably I think one of the South Americans will win


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed, that's because they had rubbish players from other countries playing along side them 


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Gooner
19 May 2014 06:53:52



Most of the Germans had a bad end to the Season , predictably I think one of the South Americans will win


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Indeed, that's because they had rubbish players from other countries playing along side them 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


That's true, Ribbery and Robben are crap


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David M Porter
19 May 2014 08:59:58

Brazil or Argentina for me.


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SEMerc
19 May 2014 10:16:53

Nah, England for me.


Oh wait.......they may struggle to get out of their group.

SydneyonTees
19 May 2014 10:43:39
Winner will be from South America for sure and I can't go past Brazil, they will win it,

But the following will all have a good tournament -

Argentina
Chile
Uruguay
Spain
Germany (NEVER write off the Germans, you do so at your peril)

Big flops / shouldn't have bothered

England (could potentially go home without a win, ok so they should beat Costa Rica)
Netherlands (past their best and all the hype from the last world cup)

The outside punts

France
Italy
Belgium (I REALLY like Belgium actually, they play some great football)
Medlock Vale Weather
19 May 2014 10:45:56




Most of the Germans had a bad end to the Season , predictably I think one of the South Americans will win


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed, that's because they had rubbish players from other countries playing along side them 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


That's true, Ribbery and Robben are crap


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Not always true, yes sometimes they don't pull their weight, but I don't like either player - Ribbery is a miserable scar face t*rd whilst Robben thinks he's some sort of hard bloke who enjoys diving, even so still good players most of the time that should feature in the world cup, not sure if they've been picked tho. It's some of the other non-Germans that play for the German teams that are a bit questionable.


 


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
ARTzeman
19 May 2014 16:29:32

My Wife will be supporting The Netherlands.. An interest their with appointment to MU. By Van Gaal.






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future_is_orange
19 May 2014 19:22:22

Winner will be from South America for sure and I can't go past Brazil, they will win it, But the following will all have a good tournament - Argentina Chile Uruguay Spain Germany (NEVER write off the Germans, you do so at your peril) Big flops / shouldn't have bothered England (could potentially go home without a win, ok so they should beat Costa Rica) Netherlands (past their best and all the hype from the last world cup) The outside punts France Italy Belgium (I REALLY like Belgium actually, they play some great football)

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


Probably agree with most of that... I do feel England could get out of the group n maybe surprise a few. France have been off the radar n could surprise likewise a v good Belgium team

Ally Pally Snowman
19 May 2014 20:39:28
Still think Spain are the team to beat. Then Germany or Argentina. If England can get ou t the group then you never know.
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SydneyonTees
20 May 2014 03:29:30


Winner will be from South America for sure and I can't go past Brazil, they will win it, But the following will all have a good tournament - Argentina Chile Uruguay Spain Germany (NEVER write off the Germans, you do so at your peril) Big flops / shouldn't have bothered England (could potentially go home without a win, ok so they should beat Costa Rica) Netherlands (past their best and all the hype from the last world cup) The outside punts France Italy Belgium (I REALLY like Belgium actually, they play some great football)

Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


 


Probably agree with most of that... I do feel England could get out of the group n maybe surprise a few. France have been off the radar n could surprise likewise a v good Belgium team


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


I think Belgium are a reasonable outside bet to make the final actually. But they are not exactly tournament tough, can't see them getting over the line and winning it. Maybe Belgium occupy England's usual position in that much is expected but will ultimately go out via pennas in the QF or SF.

ARTzeman
20 May 2014 11:48:38

BBC SPORT... WORLD CUP 2014 ...... Of 32 countries playing  only 4 teams have no British Players... Full list of players are shown...Worth a look ....






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Medlock Vale Weather
20 May 2014 15:37:31



Winner will be from South America for sure and I can't go past Brazil, they will win it, But the following will all have a good tournament - Argentina Chile Uruguay Spain Germany (NEVER write off the Germans, you do so at your peril) Big flops / shouldn't have bothered England (could potentially go home without a win, ok so they should beat Costa Rica) Netherlands (past their best and all the hype from the last world cup) The outside punts France Italy Belgium (I REALLY like Belgium actually, they play some great football)

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


Probably agree with most of that... I do feel England could get out of the group n maybe surprise a few. France have been off the radar n could surprise likewise a v good Belgium team


Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


 


I think Belgium are a reasonable outside bet to make the final actually. But they are not exactly tournament tough, can't see them getting over the line and winning it. Maybe Belgium occupy England's usual position in that much is expected but will ultimately go out via pennas in the QF or SF.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


Wonder if Januzaj will shine at his first world cup with some people comparing him to Ronaldo at that age? bet it was a happy time for the Belgian football association (or whatever their called) when he said he wanted to represent them, or will it just be a learning curve as he's still very young. Either way I'm sure we will find out.


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 

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