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idj20
22 July 2014 22:42:48




GFS is still pretty good tonight but a poor ECM for heat last warm day Saturday if correct.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Surprised by ECM really, especially given that it goes against GFS and UKMO even as early as 144hrs. Will have to wait for what the mean and ensembles say before we can say whether or not it's an outlier.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Well the ECM mean is pretty close to the Op so it could be game over for the heat wave fairly soon (Sunday).

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



"Game over"? It's not really getting going properly in the first place here at this end of Kent as well as East Anglia.    


I almost missed that short burst of warmth last week by blinking.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Really?


Apart from the odd day its been basically warm and dry since late May here and this week is a scorcher, how often is Cumbria warmer than Kent? Must be a 1 in 100 year event!


Andy


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



That's just it, after that wet and thundery weekend, yesterday's attempt at getting a tan was scuppered by overcast conditions and a spell of rain. Today was a better day in terms of bright spells, especially in the afternoon but a fresh wind coming in from the North East meant I couldn't be bothered to put out the garden chair. It hasn't been at all a bad day by all accounts of course but it is feeling like this summer so far has been "missing something" where I can't quite put my finger to it - just like last year. The only difference is that I've had more rain this July than last year's where 67 mm has fallen so far - which the lawn is appreciating greately!
  But thats's the result of having high pressure often to our west so we tend to have winds coming in from the north or north east . . . again, just like last year and the outputs seems to show very little change on that kind of thing. Great for the north and west of the UK but rather underwheming for the far South East corner (apart from London, of course) given we are the most nearest to the continent.

Anyway, I'm steering this thread off topic again - and I'm supposed to be taking a break from my own Cloud Master weather forecasting duty anyway.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Whether Idle
23 July 2014 06:29:11




GFS is still pretty good tonight but a poor ECM for heat last warm day Saturday if correct.

Originally Posted by: idj20 


Surprised by ECM really, especially given that it goes against GFS and UKMO even as early as 144hrs. Will have to wait for what the mean and ensembles say before we can say whether or not it's an outlier.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



Well the ECM mean is pretty close to the Op so it could be game over for the heat wave fairly soon (Sunday).

Originally Posted by: idj20 



"Game over"? It's not really getting going properly inthe first placehere at this end of Kent as well as East Anglia. UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
I almost missed that short burst of warmth last week by blinking.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Really?
Apart from the odd day its been basically warm and dry since late May here and this week is a scorcher, how often is Cumbria warmer than Kent? Must be a 1 in 100 year event!
Andy

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



That's just it, after that wet and thundery weekend, yesterday's attempt at getting a tan was scuppered by overcast conditions and a spell of rain. Today was a better day in terms of bright spells, especially in the afternoon but a fresh wind coming in from the NorthEast meant I couldn't be bothered to put out the garden chair. It hasn't been at all a bad day by all accounts of course but itis feelinglike this summer so farhas been "missing something" where I can't quite put my finger to it - just like last year. The only difference is that I've had more rain this July than last year's where 67 mm has fallen so far - which the lawn is appreciating greately!
But thats's the result of having high pressure often to our west so we tend to have winds coming in from the north or north east . . . again, just like last year and the outputs seems to show very little change on that kind of thing. Great for the north and west of the UK but rather underwheming for the far South East corner(apart from London, of course) given we are the most nearest to the continent.

Anyway, I'm steering this thread off topic again - and I'm supposed to be taking a break from my own Cloud Master weather forecasting duty anyway. UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Ian,I do wonder if Folkestone is located in the middle of the North Sea, judging by your posts. 7 miles east of you in Dover, my weather station has recorded the best summer in terms of warmth and lack of rainfall (1 June - 23 July) since 2006! We are currently in a run of 20c plus days which may be the longest since August 2009. You may be underwhelmed but that would seem to reflect your perceptions more than reality. My kids are in our swimming pool every day and my tan is coming on well. Townsfolk are all happy with the warm sunny weather.
WI
Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
GIBBY
23 July 2014 07:28:55

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY WEDNESDAY JULY 23RD 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. Pressure is High to the NE with a light easterly flow across the UK.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Dry, bright and warm for much of the time. Becoming somewhat cooler with the chance of a little rain at times mostly in the North.


GFS The GFS operational this morning shows a gradual shift towards somewhat cooler weather slipping down from the North from the weekend on as a High pressure ridge slips South from Scotland to a point to the South of Britain. With pressure falling somewhat the incidence of a little rain becomes more common especially over the North as shallow Low pressure slips South. Later in the run another ridge brings back fine and warm weather as it too slips South and clings on across Southern Britain until late in the run. The Ensembles indicate a similar pattern though make more of a potent Westerly flow and cloudy weather with rain at times for all in Week 2 though High pressure remains never far away to the South.


UKMO UKMO this morning shows High pressure to the SW becoming dominant next week with it's close proximity continue to feed plenty of dry weather to most parts. A Westerly breeze over the North may bring more cloud at times and a little rain in the far North while the South though warm gradually becomes fresher and less warm as we move deeper into next week.


GEM The GEM operational looks very similar to UKMO at Day 6 moving forward to allow falling pressure to setup slowly across the UK with a slow increase of the risk of outbreaks of rain and showers as we move deep into next week between some continuing dry and warm spells due to shallow Low pressure sinking down from the NW.


NAVGEM NAVGEM holds High pressure well in control of the UK centred just to the SW of the UK with a strong ridge across the UK. A period of cooler and fresher winds moving down from the North early next week looks likely before things warm up again n the South by this time next week. Dry weather should be shared by most if not all of the UK.


ECM The ECM operational is much more complex in synoptics with no definitive pressure area in control later next week. Troughs moving down from the NW bring temperatures back down several degrees with the risk of showers in places. By the end of the run light winds and high humidity together with slack pressure indicates a heavy shower risk between some sunny spells for most.


MY THOUGHTS  There is quite a lot of variation between the main models this morning in how they handle the course of events next week. What does seem more certain is that temperatures will fall back somewhat from the North early next week and some output suggests that this could be accompanied by showers, this especially by GFS, GEM and most so from ECM. UKMO and NAVGEM on the other hand show much more resilience from such a fall of pressure holding High pressure more in control with sunny spells and continuing warm weather more likely. Longer term still the general theme is still for a lot of dry and settled weather though this shows support for being tempered by the occasional shower, perhaps moreso over the North than elsewhere though nowhere is likely to be anything less than set fair.


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Andy Woodcock
23 July 2014 07:41:00
Yes GFS has moved towards ECM this morning but none of the outlook is poor and the south remains warm and sunny throughout.

However, the temps. will fall everywhere from the very high values of this week which is a relief because I am off on holiday on Friday and was worried about my garden pots and hanging basket dying in the heat!

Andy
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Stormchaser
23 July 2014 08:59:17

ECM has moved more towards GFS than GFS towards ECM to my eyes; this morning's ECM run no longer slides that LP SE and instead has the track due east that GFS and UKMO have been showing for a couple of runs now.


It does appear that we're going to be 'saved' from the sliding low scenario by upper trough development (500mb level - a marked region of lower 500mb heights) in the Svalbard region; the LP in question, even on the ECM run, is a shortwave feature, and these tend to follow the pressure gradient towards upper troughs so long as they are close enough.


ECM does cut it close though, with the upper trough taking longer to develop and the shortwave LP taking longer to track east.


 


An encouraging sign for the extension of the heatwave some way into next week is that even the amplifcation-hungry GEM model has flattened the evolution this morning:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014072300/gem-0-216.png?00


 


Funny how a few days ago, more amplification looked like a good thing bringing a stronger ridge to our shores, but then that shortwave LP came into the picture and all of a sudden a flatter pattern has become the better scenario by far! 


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soperman
23 July 2014 09:18:36
No significant drop in temps until end of next week so far as I can deduce from the output. Am I missing something?
Gusty
23 July 2014 11:28:58




GFS is still pretty good tonight but a poor ECM for heat last warm day Saturday if correct.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Surprised by ECM really, especially given that it goes against GFS and UKMO even as early as 144hrs. Will have to wait for what the mean and ensembles say before we can say whether or not it's an outlier.

Originally Posted by: idj20 



Well the ECM mean is pretty close to the Op so it could be game over for the heat wave fairly soon (Sunday).

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



"Game over"? It's not really getting going properly inthe first placehere at this end of Kent as well as East Anglia. UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
I almost missed that short burst of warmth last week by blinking.

Originally Posted by: idj20 


Really?
Apart from the odd day its been basically warm and dry since late May here and this week is a scorcher, how often is Cumbria warmer than Kent? Must be a 1 in 100 year event!
Andy

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



That's just it, after that wet and thundery weekend, yesterday's attempt at getting a tan was scuppered by overcast conditions and a spell of rain. Today was a better day in terms of bright spells, especially in the afternoon but a fresh wind coming in from the NorthEast meant I couldn't be bothered to put out the garden chair. It hasn't been at all a bad day by all accounts of course but itis feelinglike this summer so farhas been "missing something" where I can't quite put my finger to it - just like last year. The only difference is that I've had more rain this July than last year's where 67 mm has fallen so far - which the lawn is appreciating greately!
But thats's the result of having high pressure often to our west so we tend to have winds coming in from the north or north east . . . again, just like last year and the outputs seems to show very little change on that kind of thing. Great for the north and west of the UK but rather underwheming for the far South East corner(apart from London, of course) given we are the most nearest to the continent.

Anyway, I'm steering this thread off topic again - and I'm supposed to be taking a break from my own Cloud Master weather forecasting duty anyway. UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



Ian,I do wonder if Folkestone is located in the middle of the North Sea, judging by your posts. 7 miles east of you in Dover, my weather station has recorded the best summer in terms of warmth and lack of rainfall (1 June - 23 July) since 2006! We are currently in a run of 20c plus days which may be the longest since August 2009. You may be underwhelmed but that would seem to reflect your perceptions more than reality. My kids are in our swimming pool every day and my tan is coming on well. Townsfolk are all happy with the warm sunny weather.
WI

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Ian, are you on one of your Wednesday wind ups ?


That has to be the oddest post I have ever read, are we living in the same town ?


18.2c is the average summer maximum temperature here on our part of the coast in June, 19.5c in July and 20.2c in August. So far this season..(since May) 20c has been exceeded no fewer than 42 times...this is an increadible statistic for our usually SW'ly sea breeze cooled coastline.


In terms of sunshine we are running at 130% of the normal since May and although rainfall this month has been above average (after a dry June that only gave 20mm) this has been from intense thundery downpours.


I think you need to take a break from all things weather related for a while my friend and gain a little perspective.


It's a cracking summer, get out of the hobby room and enjoy it !


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Jive Buddy
23 July 2014 14:09:11





GFS is still pretty good tonight but a poor ECM for heat last warm day Saturday if correct.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Surprised by ECM really, especially given that it goes against GFS and UKMO even as early as 144hrs. Will have to wait for what the mean and ensembles say before we can say whether or not it's an outlier.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Well the ECM mean is pretty close to the Op so it could be game over for the heat wave fairly soon (Sunday).

Originally Posted by: idj20 



"Game over"? It's not really getting going properly inthe first placehere at this end of Kent as well as East Anglia. UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
I almost missed that short burst of warmth last week by blinking.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Really?
Apart from the odd day its been basically warm and dry since late May here and this week is a scorcher, how often is Cumbria warmer than Kent? Must be a 1 in 100 year event!
Andy

Originally Posted by: idj20 



That's just it, after that wet and thundery weekend, yesterday's attempt at getting a tan was scuppered by overcast conditions and a spell of rain. Today was a better day in terms of bright spells, especially in the afternoon but a fresh wind coming in from the NorthEast meant I couldn't be bothered to put out the garden chair. It hasn't been at all a bad day by all accounts of course but itis feelinglike this summer so farhas been "missing something" where I can't quite put my finger to it - just like last year. The only difference is that I've had more rain this July than last year's where 67 mm has fallen so far - which the lawn is appreciating greately!
But thats's the result of having high pressure often to our west so we tend to have winds coming in from the north or north east . . . again, just like last year and the outputs seems to show very little change on that kind of thing. Great for the north and west of the UK but rather underwheming for the far South East corner(apart from London, of course) given we are the most nearest to the continent.

Anyway, I'm steering this thread off topic again - and I'm supposed to be taking a break from my own Cloud Master weather forecasting duty anyway. UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Ian,I do wonder if Folkestone is located in the middle of the North Sea, judging by your posts. 7 miles east of you in Dover, my weather station has recorded the best summer in terms of warmth and lack of rainfall (1 June - 23 July) since 2006! We are currently in a run of 20c plus days which may be the longest since August 2009. You may be underwhelmed but that would seem to reflect your perceptions more than reality. My kids are in our swimming pool every day and my tan is coming on well. Townsfolk are all happy with the warm sunny weather.
WI

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Ian, are you on one of your Wednesday wind ups ?


That has to be the oddest post I have ever read, are we living in the same town ?


18.2c is the average summer maximum temperature here on our part of the coast in June, 19.5c in July and 20.2c in August. So far this season..(since May) 20c has been exceeded no fewer than 42 times...this is an increadible statistic for our usually SW'ly sea breeze cooled coastline.


In terms of sunshine we are running at 130% of the normal since May and although rainfall this month has been above average (after a dry June that only gave 20mm) this has been from intense thundery downpours.


I think you need to take a break from all things weather related for a while my friend and gain a little perspective.


It's a cracking summer, get out of the hobby room and enjoy it !


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yes, and what better way than to get yourself over to Dover seafront this Saturday, and come and say hello! I'll be there with the Red Cross team all day (Dover Regatta)


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

Location: St. Mary Cray, S.E. London border with Kent.
idj20
23 July 2014 15:00:19






GFS is still pretty good tonight but a poor ECM for heat last warm day Saturday if correct.

Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


Surprised by ECM really, especially given that it goes against GFS and UKMO even as early as 144hrs. Will have to wait for what the mean and ensembles say before we can say whether or not it's an outlier.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Well the ECM mean is pretty close to the Op so it could be game over for the heat wave fairly soon (Sunday).

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



"Game over"? It's not really getting going properly inthe first placehere at this end of Kent as well as East Anglia. UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
I almost missed that short burst of warmth last week by blinking.

Originally Posted by: idj20 


Really?
Apart from the odd day its been basically warm and dry since late May here and this week is a scorcher, how often is Cumbria warmer than Kent? Must be a 1 in 100 year event!
Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



That's just it, after that wet and thundery weekend, yesterday's attempt at getting a tan was scuppered by overcast conditions and a spell of rain. Today was a better day in terms of bright spells, especially in the afternoon but a fresh wind coming in from the NorthEast meant I couldn't be bothered to put out the garden chair. It hasn't been at all a bad day by all accounts of course but itis feelinglike this summer so farhas been "missing something" where I can't quite put my finger to it - just like last year. The only difference is that I've had more rain this July than last year's where 67 mm has fallen so far - which the lawn is appreciating greately!
But thats's the result of having high pressure often to our west so we tend to have winds coming in from the north or north east . . . again, just like last year and the outputs seems to show very little change on that kind of thing. Great for the north and west of the UK but rather underwheming for the far South East corner(apart from London, of course) given we are the most nearest to the continent.

Anyway, I'm steering this thread off topic again - and I'm supposed to be taking a break from my own Cloud Master weather forecasting duty anyway. UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: idj20 



Ian,I do wonder if Folkestone is located in the middle of the North Sea, judging by your posts. 7 miles east of you in Dover, my weather station has recorded the best summer in terms of warmth and lack of rainfall (1 June - 23 July) since 2006! We are currently in a run of 20c plus days which may be the longest since August 2009. You may be underwhelmed but that would seem to reflect your perceptions more than reality. My kids are in our swimming pool every day and my tan is coming on well. Townsfolk are all happy with the warm sunny weather.
WI

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Ian, are you on one of your Wednesday wind ups ?


That has to be the oddest post I have ever read, are we living in the same town ?


18.2c is the average summer maximum temperature here on our part of the coast in June, 19.5c in July and 20.2c in August. So far this season..(since May) 20c has been exceeded no fewer than 42 times...this is an increadible statistic for our usually SW'ly sea breeze cooled coastline.


In terms of sunshine we are running at 130% of the normal since May and although rainfall this month has been above average (after a dry June that only gave 20mm) this has been from intense thundery downpours.


I think you need to take a break from all things weather related for a while my friend and gain a little perspective.


It's a cracking summer, get out of the hobby room and enjoy it !


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Yes, and what better way than to get yourself over to Dover seafront this Saturday, and come and say hello! I'll be there with the Red Cross team all day (Dover Regatta)


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Haha. But it's today that it does truly feel like a proper full on Summer's day. But regarding yesterday I think my close promixity to the coastline may have a lot to do with it where I do tend to feel the sea breeze quite a bit. I did try to sit in the garden yesterday but the fresh brisk wind and the way the sun kept bobbing in and out behind scudding cumulus made me be like "naaaa, perhaps tomorrow" - and here I am in the front garden today with the iPad to hand and getting quite sunburn.


Folkestone Harbour. 
sunny coast
23 July 2014 17:18:44
Here in eastbourne its been a truly great summer so far indeed since may , june had less than 10mm of rain and sunshine and warmth in abundance throughout since May. The South east has done especially well generally and temperatures have been high both during plume conditions which favour north kent and this week of east or north easterlies the sussex coast has been favoured. This is the UK not the Med and rarely will the weather be perfect all of the time everywhere at once,so many local effects which is what keeps our weather so interesting!
Matty H
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23 July 2014 18:09:36
Shows how quickly things can change. Next week not looking anywhere near as good as it was a day or two ago.
Whether Idle
23 July 2014 18:12:58

Shows how quickly things can change. Next week not looking anywhere near as good as it was a day or two ago.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Edit - is ECM going down a different route? http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm721.gif


The trend this summer has been for these unsettled scenarios to get downgraded.  Shallow lows often leave many places bone dry  and lucky ones sunny too.  My view is that the Azores high will bully any lows out of the way pretty quickly.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
JoeShmoe99
23 July 2014 19:33:40

Shows how quickly things can change. Next week not looking anywhere near as good as it was a day or two ago.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Edit - is ECM going down a different route? http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm721.gif 
The trend this summer has been for these unsettled scenarios to get downgraded. Shallow lows often leave many places bone dry and lucky ones sunny too. My view is that the Azores high will bully any lows out of the way pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Was thinking much the same thing, think we've seen the last 2 or 3 weeks the models keep trying to introduce cooler conditions but it never seems to happen (or as last weekend it's very transient), similar in winter when we have a block to the east

Has been well and truly too warm working in London this week though and being on the bus/tube, now I'm older I don't know how I did it for so long before we moved!
Gavin P
23 July 2014 19:51:43

On the face of it the GEFS do look quite poor from Sun/Mon onwards.


It's hard to say how this is going to pan out. It could downgrade and fine weather return, but we know we can get these sudden flips to a totally different weather type (look at July and August 2006 for example)


I'm on the fence at the moment.


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Whether Idle
23 July 2014 19:55:52

Shows how quickly things can change. Next week not looking anywhere near as good as it was a day or two ago.

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 



Edit - is ECM going down a different route? http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm721.gif 
The trend this summer has been for these unsettled scenarios to get downgraded. Shallow lows often leave many places bone dry and lucky ones sunny too. My view is that the Azores high will bully any lows out of the way pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Was thinking much the same thing, think we've seen the last 2 or 3 weeks the models keep trying to introduce cooler conditions but it never seems to happen (or as last weekend it's very transient), similar in winter when we have a block to the east

Has been well and truly too warm working in London this week though and being on the bus/tube, now I'm older I don't know how I did it for so long before we moved!

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



JMA is very reluctant to bring in low pressure, it succeeds only on day 6 in the NE.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
NickR
23 July 2014 22:42:04
CLOSING THIS ONE >>>>>>>>>>>
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Durham
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