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GIBBY
05 September 2014 07:33:21

Hi folks. Here is todays review of the 00z outputs this morning.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
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Stormchaser
05 September 2014 08:07:00

Looks decent next week for many of us, temperatures a little uncertain but maximums in the range of high teens to low 20's generally.


ECM and UKMO develop a notable LP to the SW of the UK which ECM then takes slowly NE, resulting in several days of long fetch southerly winds - that would be warm indeed at the surface, perhaps mid-20's in the south.


GFS has the system heading NE faster without much development at all, crossing the SE as a slack area of LP. Behind it a ridge attempts to build from the SW, but the lower-res charts (beyond +192 hours) are too flat with the jet stream to allow that ridge to be sustained in the face of strong Atlantic storms.


 


At this early stage, I get the impression that a ridge of some form will tend to hang on toward the SE through mid-month, with a changeable westerly regime for most, and more along the lines of unsettled for the NW.


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Gavin P
05 September 2014 11:47:19

Hi all,


Here's today's video uodate:


JMA Friday + Huug Van Den Dool Winter Update


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Still looks like September should see a breakdown to cooler/unsettled weather in second half.


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some faraway beach
05 September 2014 12:35:23

ECM and UKMO develop a notable LP to the SW of the UK which ECM then takes slowly NE, resulting in several days of long fetch southerly winds - that would be warm indeed at the surface, perhaps mid-20's in the south.


I'm not really sure where that low pressure comes from. At 72 hrs it all looks benign to the south west to me:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=72&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


Yet just 3 days later the low presuure you mentioned has popped up as if from nowhere::


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


It's fair to say the models understand the physics a lot better than I do, but I would still be a bit surprised if that warm air does get drawn up from the south in this manner next week.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
GIBBY
06 September 2014 07:24:41

Fine weather is a given for many over the coming week or so but how do the models look for the longer term. I attempt to decipher their 00z outputs here in my daily analysis.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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GIBBY
06 September 2014 09:33:14

Just to complete the analysis the ECM Ensemble pack follow the trend of a gentle fall of pressure from the SW leading to the most likely outcome of a trough somewhere just to the SW or west of the UK at Day 10. Nothing alarmist though.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


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Hungry Tiger
06 September 2014 09:37:36


Just to complete the analysis the ECM Ensemble pack follow the trend of a gentle fall of pressure from the SW leading to the most likely outcome of a trough somewhere just to the SW or west of the UK at Day 10. Nothing alarmist though.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


some nice warm weather to come from the likes of that.


 


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Matty H
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06 September 2014 09:41:52
Fantastic output and I have the week off 😁 👍 [sn_cool]
leigh2000
06 September 2014 10:47:22

There has been strong support for a change during the second half of Septmeber. This HP is too little, too late in my opinion. Would have been more useful during August 


 


Plus the Autumnal Equinox is looming, let's bring in Autumn 

doctormog
06 September 2014 10:51:55

There has been strong support for a change during the second half of Septmeber. This HP is too little, too late in my opinion. Would have been more useful during August 


 


Plus the Autumnal Equinox is looming, let's bring in Autumn 

Originally Posted by: leigh2000 



Let's not 😝

With "autumn here since the start of August" I would welcome a return to summery weather unfortunately the output here in the NE is for more of the same rubbish, unsettled, windy and potentially very wet conditions. August had about 200% of the average rainfall. I am desperately hoping September doesn't follow that pattern. There are hints of blocking around but even if it just means generally dry conditions that would suit me fine.
leigh2000
06 September 2014 12:38:50
I feel it's very much the 'calm before the storm' for many of us! Eventually the Atlantic Jet is going to ramp up and blow these cobwebs away 😛👍
Matty H
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06 September 2014 12:42:41

I feel it's very much the 'calm before the storm' for many of us! Eventually the Atlantic Jet is going to ramp up and blow these cobwebs away 😛👍

Originally Posted by: leigh2000 



As this is the model output discussion, any links to that?
briggsy6
06 September 2014 16:25:04

I feel it's very much the 'calm before the storm' for many of us! Eventually the Atlantic Jet is going to ramp up and blow these cobwebs away 😛👍

Originally Posted by: leigh2000 


 


Quite right. And if last winter is anything to go by it wont relent until about March 2015!


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Medlock Vale Weather
06 September 2014 18:47:33

JMA shows a predominantly benign outlook with high pressure near or over us for the foreseeable, very little rain for most of us too towards and up to mid month.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma/runs/2014090612/J144-21.GIF?06-12


Seems typical for September. A month which I class as the most 'boring' for UK weather. 


Some very decent cold building over Greenland at the end of JMA's run  whilst most of the UK still basks in relatively warmish air.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma/runs/2014090612/J192-7.GIF?06-12


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Andy Woodcock
06 September 2014 19:38:10
I have found this September fine spell disappointing.

Despite the high uppers it never feels particularly warm and with so much cloud it has never felt summery, yes it's drier and warmer than normal but nothing like previous September warm spells like 2003.

Autumn is very much here and a few hours of sunshine can not hide the fact.

Next weeks high pressure is likely to be just as cloudy but a little cooler so it certainly will not go down as a classic month.

Andy
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Stormchaser
06 September 2014 19:50:29

JMA doesn't handle the Greenland 850's well I'm afraid - there's a cold bias for some reason or another. It sometimes causes errors in the synoptic charts too, as an excessive thermal gradient causes sudden or enhanced storm development.


 


Anyway, it seems clear that there will be a marked LP to the SW of the UK next week, and a ridge of some form across us, but with no firm idea as to how that ridge aligns itself and hence what surface cloud amounts and temperatures we experience.


Curiously, while the majority of the models are persistent in modelling a 'dartboard low' to the SW, GFS keeps on coming up with elongated troughs. On the 12z run, the elongation occurs as a result of a second LP system interacting with the one to our SW, and happens to produce a trough elongated north to south, which pulls hot air up from a long way south days 9-11, producing a run of days hitting the mid-20's in England.


This favourable alignment is absent from the other model runs so is considered a wildcard at this time - but the behaviour of that second LP system, present on the ECM and GEM runs as well as GFS, needs to be watched in case it does have more of an impact on the trough to the SW. As far as I can tell, it's the same weak storm system that's been bringing excessive rain N/NE of Florida today, and has the potential to be warm-core in nature (i.e. a tropical cyclone, albiet a weak one) if it tracks over the nearshore waters along the East US Coast in the near future.


That makes it a highly uncertain feature and, for me, the one source of much interest in next week's model output 


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Snowfan
06 September 2014 20:26:16

I have found this September fine spell disappointing.

Despite the high uppers it never feels particularly warm and with so much cloud it has never felt summery, yes it's drier and warmer than normal but nothing like previous September warm spells like 2003.

Autumn is very much here and a few hours of sunshine can not hide the fact.

Next weeks high pressure is likely to be just as cloudy but a little cooler so it certainly will not go down as a classic month.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


If it behaves like Autumn should, that is by getting steadily cooler and more autumnal as we go along, then that WILL make it a classic month in my book!! The Septembers which don't are the ones which don't get cooler, as that's what they're meant to do!


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GIBBY
07 September 2014 07:22:26

Good morning folks. My Sunday extended thoughts on this morning's output can be found on my website here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
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Crepuscular Ray
07 September 2014 07:53:53

Good morning folks. My Sunday extended thoughts on this morning's output can be found on my website here.
http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm 

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Excellent read as always Gibby . .great weather for my walking in the Dales and Lakes!
Jerry
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Matty H
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07 September 2014 09:55:11

I have found this September fine spell disappointing.

Despite the high uppers it never feels particularly warm and with so much cloud it has never felt summery, yes it's drier and warmer than normal but nothing like previous September warm spells like 2003.

Autumn is very much here and a few hours of sunshine can not hide the fact.

Next weeks high pressure is likely to be just as cloudy but a little cooler so it certainly will not go down as a classic month.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Snowfan 



If it behaves like Autumn should, that is by getting steadily cooler and more autumnal as we go along, then that WILL make it a classic month in my book!! The Septembers which don't are the ones which don't get cooler, as that's what they're meant to do!

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



There's no such thing as should. Although if you look at our climate overall then there's no pattern that says September should get cooler all the way through.
Hungry Tiger
07 September 2014 09:59:56


Good morning folks. My Sunday extended thoughts on this morning's output can be found on my website here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Gavin S. FRmetS.
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Jiries
07 September 2014 11:57:37

I have found this September fine spell disappointing. Despite the high uppers it never feels particularly warm and with so much cloud it has never felt summery, yes it's drier and warmer than normal but nothing like previous September warm spells like 2003. Autumn is very much here and a few hours of sunshine can not hide the fact. Next weeks high pressure is likely to be just as cloudy but a little cooler so it certainly will not go down as a classic month. Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Agreed it was and never had a September HP days being overcast and well polluted.  It was very polluted in the last few days as if we are in Beiling and again this morning.  If was clouds they would burn off and join the rest of others areas that are enjoying clear skies and no pollution.


Not interested in this week HP dominated charts if they are going to bring more pollution days.

Stormchaser
07 September 2014 17:01:38

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/archives/2014090712/UN144-21.GIF


It looks like a strong trough complex will establish over Greenland during the coming week, and aligned in the right way to keep the jet on a SW-NE track that passes well north of the UK.


With an unusually persistent cut-off low to the SW coinciding, a decent ridge across the UK looks to be maintained for the forseeable. At times some decent warmth looks to be transported across Europe towards our shores, which - provided there is a fair amount of sunshine to be had - appears likely to bring low-20's temps widely, approaching mid-20's in favourable spots.


The main enemy does look to be low cloud again, as there isn't much in the way of incoming frontal cloud in evidence on satellite imagery, away from the far NE. We could do with a good import of clear, dry air, but that'll take a bit of luck with the air mass origin.


 


GFS seems to be seeing a fair amount of sun throughout its 12z op run, but the model didn't see so many issues with low cloud Wed-Fri last week until the last minute, so nothing to count on I'm afraid.


As it is, the run shows sustained warmth right out to day 16 and would leave the CET in an impressive position baring in mind how much it usually falls as the month progresses.


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Snowfan
07 September 2014 20:27:20

I have found this September fine spell disappointing. Despite the high uppers it never feels particularly warm and with so much cloud it has never felt summery, yes it's drier and warmer than normal but nothing like previous September warm spells like 2003. Autumn is very much here and a few hours of sunshine can not hide the fact. Next weeks high pressure is likely to be just as cloudy but a little cooler so it certainly will not go down as a classic month. Andy

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

If it behaves like Autumn should, that is by getting steadily cooler and more autumnal as we go along, then that WILL make it a classic month in my book!! The Septembers which don't are the ones which don't get cooler, as that's what they're meant to do!

Originally Posted by: Snowfan 

There's no such thing as should. Although if you look at our climate overall then there's no pattern that says September should get cooler all the way through.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


Maybe that's something that doesn't often happen with our climate, but it still "should" happen if the 4 seasons are to steadily wax and wane, it should get cooler as its heading towards Autumn/Winter! May, on the other hand, should get warmer... (thankfully it usually does)! I jut like all the seasons to do what they're meant to do 


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Medlock Vale Weather
07 September 2014 21:44:29


I have found this September fine spell disappointing. Despite the high uppers it never feels particularly warm and with so much cloud it has never felt summery, yes it's drier and warmer than normal but nothing like previous September warm spells like 2003. Autumn is very much here and a few hours of sunshine can not hide the fact. Next weeks high pressure is likely to be just as cloudy but a little cooler so it certainly will not go down as a classic month. Andy

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Agreed it was and never had a September HP days being overcast and well polluted.  It was very polluted in the last few days as if we are in Beiling and again this morning.  If was clouds they would burn off and join the rest of others areas that are enjoying clear skies and no pollution.


Not interested in this week HP dominated charts if they are going to bring more pollution days.


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Well I hope we don't get that pollution we got earlier this year Jiries, that was terrible 


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What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 

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