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GIBBY
13 September 2014 20:35:50

Hi folks. Couldn't make a report last night so sorry for that but I have managed one tonight on my website. Should be back to normal tomorrow.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
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GIBBY
14 September 2014 07:12:51

Back to normal this morning so here is my more in depth Sunday view of the model output using data from the 00z outputs of Sunday Sept 14th 2014.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Stormchaser
14 September 2014 08:55:07

In a nutshell, after a very warm setup Tue-Fri with mid-20's maximums across an increasingly large portion of England and Wales, most models have HP extended west to east through the UK next weekend, keeping the UK with a fairly slack easterly flow and warm air in situ, maximum temperatures continuing in the mid-20's across much of England and Wales.


ECM is the odd one out, with a more amplified flow producing a northerly down through Scandinavia which then wraps into the UK around the SE flank of a HP cell passing over Scotland and then setting up very close to the NE for day 10. That means a marked cooldown in temperatures for many of us, but it's lacking in support as of this morning - just something to watch out for really, at least if you're planning a late-season BBQ or something, as it takes a very warm setup to bring warm evenings in the second half of September.


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Stormchaser
14 September 2014 16:55:38

GFS and GEM continue the general output theme tonight; a HP cell across Scotland this weekend with the warm air lingering across the south, then that HP cell drifting to Scandi next week with another block possibly setting up there (never mind how GFS shoves it away).


UKMO... might have had an error in the data? It seems to be completely missing the ridge in the mid-Atlantic from the Azores to just west of Iceland on day 4, and day 5 sees a broad (and oddly slack) trough in a location where there should be a ridge according to all of the other models.


 


Either that, or the entire model suite has been incorrectly modelling the existence of that ridge, which seems rather unlikely given the 5-6 day range that its been at.


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four
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14 September 2014 19:52:31

High Pressure dominates until the end of the month most likely.
Increasingly potent incursions of cold air into Scandiavia and Western Russia later.
All classic Autumnal fare, will soon get quite interesting as Eastern Europe chills down.


Medlock Vale Weather
14 September 2014 20:21:35


High Pressure dominates until the end of the month most likely.
Increasingly potent incursions of cold air into Scandiavia and Western Russia later.
All classic Autumnal fare, will soon get quite interesting as Eastern Europe chills down.


Originally Posted by: four 


Yes that is seen on the Moscow 12z output.


-7 uppers towards the end of the month on GFS model


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Moskau_ens.png


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
GIBBY
15 September 2014 07:54:56

Good morning folks. Back to normal this week. Here is this morning's deciphering attempt at the 00z outputs today.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Stormchaser
15 September 2014 08:12:17

How much of a low pressure system will there be west of Iceland in 3 days time?


That is something the models are currently unable to agree upon!


This then impacts on the ridge through the UK, potentially getting in the way a bit and preventing the HP from extending east until 7-10 days time as opposed to during the weekend. If this happens, some cooler air is likely to get into the mix next week.


 


UKMO makes the most of the low, but transfers it quickly to Scandinavia by day 6, with the Atlantic ridge arriving fast, so the cooler air is mostly confined to the NE'rn third of the UK as it tracks SE.


GEM makes less of the low but shows a greater impact as it merges with the LP to the SW of the UK, which tracks NE in response. It then stalls out and slowly dissipates in the North Sea, but it's only a small feature, and a second small feature west of Ireland produces a contrasting air flow which leaves the UK under a modified version of the air mass from this week - so a bit cooler but not drastically so, perhaps close to average temperatures.


 


ECM and GFS both make very little of the low. The former is more amplified with the pattern so we still see a marked ridge in the Atlantic extending east and bringing some cooler air around the SE'rn flank, which the very weak low does help with a little.
The latter has the ridge extending nicely east with the LP staying to the north of it and not really interfering. This results in the warmest option, but as winds turn more easterly, temperatures fall towards average values, or a little above in the west.


 


It does seem that the massive Euro High that GFS kept suggesting at the longer range until yesterdays runs has been dropped in favour of yet another Scandi block holding its ground. Still worth watching what happens when the Atlantic finally squashes it south, though - could be a last hurrah for the temperatures before an autumnal regime sets in... however long that takes.


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Gavin P
15 September 2014 12:47:37

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Hot Temperatures This Week + BCC Winter 14/15 Update


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Think Beijing update will be quite highly anticipated after last month.


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Stormchaser
15 September 2014 16:51:30

After standing against it this morning, UKMO has now shifted to match GFS regarding the low west of Iceland in 3 days time, so it appears that we should see the very warm air hang on across England and Wales through the weekend 


 


It may then slowly ease away next week, but that remains open to speculation, as UKMO starts to push the HP towards the SE of the UK while GFS has it building NE instead.


 


GEM continues to have that low west of Iceland tracking SE and then quickly on into Europe, freshening the air across all but the SW, where the warm air remains in place thanks to a new ridge of high pressure arriving from the west before the fresher air has a chance to track that far along the NW flank of the low heading into Europe.


 


Currently GEM stands alone, but I do wonder if ECM will side with GFS and UKMO, as it tends to favour more amplified solutions such as GEM continues to show.


The thing is, this disagreement now lies within 2-3 days range, so if ECM's worth its money, bias should be low or non existent at such close timeframes - a few important charts coming 7-7:15pm today.


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GIBBY
16 September 2014 08:28:51

Hi folks. I see signs of a possible change in the longer term prospects this morning but it's a long way away yet. Here's my morning analysis.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Medlock Vale Weather
16 September 2014 14:28:15

Thursday looking toasty for some of us. 27C in a few spots 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014091606/nmmuk-0-56-0.png?16-13


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Medlock Vale Weather
16 September 2014 18:53:27

Looks like with the very warm weather thunderstorms may break out for some of the country. These are difficult to predict but some may happen on Thursday. http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014091612/nmmuk-1-57-0.png?16-19


And then into Friday, could be some torrential downpours http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014091612/nmmuk-1-70-0.png?16-19


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Andy Woodcock
17 September 2014 06:57:41
Cross model agreement of a change to more westerly based weather a week from today as our Scandy high pressure finally sinks.

MetO holds on Longer with a UK ridge but GFS really ramps things up with a very chilly north westerly flow, if GFS verifys then afternoon temperatures could be 10c lower next Wednesday than today.

Even if that is the end it's been a remarkable spell of weather and anyone who has just had a fortnight in the Lake District will have struck Gold

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GIBBY
17 September 2014 07:20:01

Could Autumn proper be just around the corner. In my Daily 15 Day model output analysis on todays 00zs I attempt to answer these questions.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Charmhills
17 September 2014 08:55:30

Cross model agreement of a change to more westerly based weather a week from today as our Scandy high pressure finally sinks. MetO holds on Longer with a UK ridge but GFS really ramps things up with a very chilly north westerly flow, if GFS verifys then afternoon temperatures could be 10c lower next Wednesday than today. Even if that is the end it's been a remarkable spell of weather and anyone who has just had a fortnight in the Lake District will have struck Gold Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


ECM looking very autumnal in fi.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


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Saint Snow
17 September 2014 09:26:01


Cross model agreement of a change to more westerly based weather a week from today as our Scandy high pressure finally sinks. MetO holds on Longer with a UK ridge but GFS really ramps things up with a very chilly north westerly flow, if GFS verifys then afternoon temperatures could be 10c lower next Wednesday than today. Even if that is the end it's been a remarkable spell of weather and anyone who has just had a fortnight in the Lake District will have struck Gold Andy

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


ECM looking very autumnal in fi.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


Just in time for the Ryder Cup


 




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GIBBY
17 September 2014 09:56:43

Atlantic Westerlies look the favoured option in 10 Days time from the ECM Ensembles this morning.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


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Arcus
17 September 2014 10:22:35



Cross model agreement of a change to more westerly based weather a week from today as our Scandy high pressure finally sinks. MetO holds on Longer with a UK ridge but GFS really ramps things up with a very chilly north westerly flow, if GFS verifys then afternoon temperatures could be 10c lower next Wednesday than today. Even if that is the end it's been a remarkable spell of weather and anyone who has just had a fortnight in the Lake District will have struck Gold Andy

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


ECM looking very autumnal in fi.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


 


Just in time for the Ryder Cup


 



Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Yep, I may have to rethink my on-course wardrobe options.


The BBC Week Ahead forecast last night was also hinting at a similar set-up, with the best of the weather down south, with Scotland having stronger winds and rain at times in a more Atlantic driven regime.


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Hungry Tiger
17 September 2014 10:44:07


Atlantic Westerlies look the favoured option in 10 Days time from the ECM Ensembles this morning.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Will the high pressure build back in though.


 


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GIBBY
17 September 2014 12:26:20



Atlantic Westerlies look the favoured option in 10 Days time from the ECM Ensembles this morning.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Will the high pressure build back in though.


 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


That's a good point and one that I think the models will show at times over the coming days as the point of change draws nearer. I would think that for the South at least there is an evens chance of something along those lines happening.


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Medlock Vale Weather
17 September 2014 18:31:55

28C in parts of the south east on Friday 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014091712/nmmuk-0-50-0.png?17-19


The heat still hanging on across the south east into Saturday


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014091712/nmmuk-0-72-0.png?17-19


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
leigh2000
17 September 2014 21:05:40

The 12Z run of the ECMWF shows the +10 Isotherm moving away quite swiftly late Saturday into Sunday 


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm482.gif


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm722.gif


 

Stormchaser
17 September 2014 21:26:26

The models seem to have now settled down on the idea of the Atlantic having enough energy to flatten the persistent ridge over Scandinavia and relegate it to Europe. There has been a trend today toward a bit more in the way of high pressure hanging on close to the south of the UK, keeping the worst of the wind and rain away from that region. With a lot of tropical-maritime air in the mix, it looks like some classic (for southern England in autumn) blustery, muggy weather with relatively high overnight minimums but not a lot of gain during the daytime.


 


Once the storm that achieves this has moved into Scandi, attention then turns to the next one in line.


A number of days ago, GFS persistently showed this system peaking in the western Atlantic, which has the effect of amplifying the flow at just the right time to produce a strong ridge across Europe in the wake of the Scandi trough. GFS then dropped this in favour of the second storm powering on eastward, and kept that going for a few days of runs.


Today, though, the Euro ridge scenario has made a comeback, and ECM is also giving the idea some consideration.


 


It's something to keep a close eye on if you're a fan of a true 'Indian Summer', as I don't think you can really declare such a thing in September - though the exact defination has always been a little sketchy to be honest, and I've seen it defined as a warm spell following the first widespread frosts of the season, for example.


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Matty H
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17 September 2014 23:16:25
They were discussing this with the MetO chief forecaster on 5 Live today. He said an Indian summer has several criteria to reach, but wouldn't be considered in September, only October and November.

Either way, this is an amazing spell of weather and I'm loving it. 😁

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