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sriram
28 January 2015 17:04:38
Just seen gavins update for the next 5 days

Talks about a possible channel low on Monday with big snow event but massive uncertainty

If only - about time we had a jan 82 event - long long long overdue
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
Quantum
28 January 2015 17:06:52

I think there will be several amber warning type events during this cold spell, so many little features giving the potential for localized significant snow. 


Tonight some trough potential, if you get caught in a street you could end up with 10cm+! In general though amounts 2-7cm. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
28 January 2015 17:09:16

Need to watch the issue of cyclogenesis on any stalling cold fronts in the atlantic, small circular shaped lows pose almost no risk to the cold spell, the issue is when there is rapid cyclogenesis on any of the derbis left behind, if that happens the block could be broken down pretty quickly and we could end up with an awful situ with the high going into Europe. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
28 January 2015 17:10:25


Indeed Rob, no complaints from that run, sadly it wont turn out that way........................................or will it?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Stormchaser
28 January 2015 17:13:04


Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


Another excellent run from UKMO


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This run develops a classic three-wave pattern (three main troughs and three main ridges). Such things can play havoc with the strat. vortex which raises the odds of winter having a sting in its tail this year. I live in fear of another March 2013.


Anyway, GFS is still much flatter with the ridge from Siberia, which means there's less to try and hold the Canadian lobe back from Greenland days 7-8. Despite some differences with the way shortwaves are handled days 5-6, the run evolves in a very similar way to the previous two, showing us how we can achieve a bit of an easterly if the low heights across Greenland are not too expansive.


The UKMO solution increases the potential magnitude of any easterly incursion, as the Siberian ridge feeds colder air into the Euro trough while also improving the odds of seeing the whole trough complex slide south, rather than a split with some of the low heights escaping NE, which is what occurs on the GFS 12z op run.


 


Watching GFS roll on into lower-res and... what's this? The vortex lobe becoming a right mess, the jet disrupting, and Atlantic low pressure attempting to undercut the Scandi High? A better reflection of the background signals for the atmosphere to keep giving the vortex a hard time.


I wonder if ECM will give the easterly idea more consideration this evening, or continue to point toward another major trough import from NW of the UK?


Given that GFS gets where it does for days 9-10 by powering energy NE (from S of Greenland to Svalbard), it may be favouring that over a renewal of the Euro trough as a result of the usual bias (a tendency to choose the NE route remains from what I've seen over the past month).


In light of this, GEFS may lately have been displaying a similar trait but in combination with most of the perturbations showing more expansive low heights to the NW, this shoving the UK/Scandi ridge down to our S or SE instead of allowing it to hang around.


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nsrobins
28 January 2015 17:32:51
GEM, the new blonde model, has I believe the correct solution for once! 🙂
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David M Porter
28 January 2015 17:36:19



Indeed Rob, no complaints from that run, sadly it wont turn out that way........................................or will it?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


One can but hope, Marcus.


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Quantum
28 January 2015 17:46:02


The NASA GEO5 0Z ends with a square one reload! In case anyone is wondering the uppers are between -8 and -11!


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Zubzero
28 January 2015 18:47:12

Still poor imby for snow 


GEFS show's it well soon as any meaningful precip is shown the 850's rise and it will be rain/sleet 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015012812/graphe3_1000_277_91___.gif


 


Some places to the north could see a lot of snow where the shower trains set up in the next few days


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/euro4/2015/01/28/basis12/ukuk/prty/15012912_2812.gif


 


 

Gooner
28 January 2015 18:49:57


No hint of an Easterly from ECM, a reload from the NW ??????


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Zubzero
28 January 2015 18:52:03

ECM shows us the middle finger 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015012812/ECH0-216.GIF?28-0


 

Rob K
28 January 2015 18:52:27



No hint of an Easterly from ECM, a reload from the NW ??????


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


That's a very deep low coming out of America. Will it raise heights over Greenland or just steamroller its way through?


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Gooner
28 January 2015 18:57:16


Probably the worst of the 12'z's


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


hobensotwo
28 January 2015 19:03:46


 


Probably the worst of the 12'z's


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Lets be honest we were bound to get a reality check at some point.


Hopefully it wont set the trend and start a big turn around.

The Beast from the East
28 January 2015 19:08:32

Poor ECM. I think this Easterly block is another fantasy. Lets see how many ens members still have it


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Arcus
28 January 2015 19:13:13


Poor ECM. I think this Easterly block is another fantasy. Lets see how many ens members still have it


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


That ECM run is actually very close to being very good. Certainly within the realms of correction come nearer the time.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Solar Cycles
28 January 2015 19:40:27


Poor ECM. I think this Easterly block is another fantasy. Lets see how many ens members still have it


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Indeed, look N/NW for future reloads as any progged Easterly is simply a red herring, again.

Rob K
28 January 2015 19:40:57
ECM brings Monday's low much further east.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.gif 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.gif 

More precipitation for England but probably wet the further west you go.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Solar Cycles
28 January 2015 19:42:45

ECM brings Monday's low much further east.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.gif

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.gif

More precipitation for England but probably wet the further west you go.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Lets hope it doesn't verify as I've had enough of cold rain and sleet.

Gooner
28 January 2015 19:43:23


Indeed, look N/NW for future reloads as any progged Easterly is simply a red herring, again.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


You don't know that yet though, Id wait to see where it sits first


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Chiltern Blizzard
28 January 2015 19:44:46


Poor ECM. I think this Easterly block is another fantasy. Lets see how many ens members still have it


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


surely if the ECM is deemed 'poor', out expectations are rather inflated... Day 10 actually looks very wintry with sub-6 850s and sub522dam air with a LP just to our east... How it would evolve after that is pure speculation... Indeed, it's little more than speculation after day 6 anyway!


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
doctormog
28 January 2015 19:46:59


 


surely if the ECM is deemed 'poor', out expectations are rather inflated... Day 10 actually looks very wintry with sub-6 850s and sub522dam air with a LP just to our east... How it would evolve after that is pure speculation... Indeed, it's little more than speculation after day 6 anyway!


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 



Saint Snow
28 January 2015 19:51:53

I live in fear of another March 2013.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


In....... fear????



 


A great month, was March 13  



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cultman1
28 January 2015 19:57:47
So much gloom and doom from certain posters on this forum for us coldies whom are South of England based ,even talk of a potential swiftish return to average winter weather before long . Surely anything after the weekend is total speculation with the way the models are at the moment ?
Rob K
28 January 2015 19:58:51
I wonder why the surface temps are progged to be so high compared to the upper air temps? Is it because of the lack of a low-level cold flow from the east?
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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