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Stormchaser
23 May 2015 14:06:27

20*C here with long sunny spells after a sparkling clear morning... luck of the draw!


 


Interesting model output for day 6 or 7 onward so far today - I'd say it has a 'forced' look to it, by which I mean that a large-scale signal is driving the models to explore a major pattern shift.


In this case, that looks to occur via a significant rise in pressure across much of Europe, starting in 6-7 days time, which has gained some momentum in the output over the past few days.


GFS seems determined to have a deep Atlantic trough to the NW of the UK at the same time, and ECM is also considering the idea.


The GFS 06z op run has edged a little closer to ECM - a comparison between the two (ECM on the right) now displays a reasonably similar pattern across the two, but with ECM a bit less progressive in terms of the trough pushing NE toward Norway:


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Knowing how often GFS pushes ridges of high pressure aside too readily, the odds are that the south sees at least a glancing blow from the warmth building across Europe.


It could be more than that though, as the Euro High looks ready to put up a fight against the Atlantic westerlies (example, ECM 00z day 10 on the left). With other parameters (SSTs, soil moisture etc.) looking conducive to heatwave conditions across Europe, we could find ourselves flirting with some significant hot weather not long into June (example GFS 06z day 15 on the right):


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Just look at the extent of the 15*C 850hPa isotherm on that GFS chart! This is what the earlier stages of the August 2003 heatwave looked like, and we're only in early June at the time of that chart 


It also serves to highlight the severe convective weather risk for us if we find ourselves in the company of an Iberian-sourced LP 


 


 


To summarise, I'm starting to feel a mix of excitement and concern when looking ahead to the first week or so of June. Recent summers have seen the hotter weather focused across eastern Europe and Scandinavia, but this year, the focus looks to be further west. Every year, some part of the globe has seen summer months setting new records for high average and maximum temperatures. I worry that it might be the turn of NW Europe this year, and we all know how much trouble that caused 12 years ago.


BUT we're looking at model output well outside the reliable at the moment, so we can't place much faith in these signals just yet. If anything, we could end up seeing roasting conditions in Spain and France while we recieve an absolute deluge. Just early warning signs, that's all... 


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cultman1
23 May 2015 14:11:27
Interesting times ahead ....
Matty H
23 May 2015 15:07:14

Hang on a sec. Summer is over? 


cultman1
23 May 2015 15:10:36
No Matty...just medium term uncertainty. Certain short term cool ,cloudy,and wet here in London...
Chunky Pea
23 May 2015 15:17:13


It also serves to highlight the severe convective weather risk for us if we find ourselves in the company of an Iberian-sourced LP 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


Bring it on


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Matty H
23 May 2015 15:33:25

Local variances eh? 20.6c here and wall to wall sunshine. Typing this from the Lawns pub garden. 


cultman1
23 May 2015 15:37:04
Lucky you. Seriously wish we had wall to wall sunshine here. It really is awful out and not what was forcasted yesterday.
bledur
23 May 2015 19:14:22


20*C here with long sunny spells after a sparkling clear morning... luck of the draw!


 


Interesting model output for day 6 or 7 onward so far today - I'd say it has a 'forced' look to it, by which I mean that a large-scale signal is driving the models to explore a major pattern shift.


In this case, that looks to occur via a significant rise in pressure across much of Europe, starting in 6-7 days time, which has gained some momentum in the output over the past few days.


GFS seems determined to have a deep Atlantic trough to the NW of the UK at the same time, and ECM is also considering the idea.


The GFS 06z op run has edged a little closer to ECM - a comparison between the two (ECM on the right) now displays a reasonably similar pattern across the two, but with ECM a bit less progressive in terms of the trough pushing NE toward Norway:


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Knowing how often GFS pushes ridges of high pressure aside too readily, the odds are that the south sees at least a glancing blow from the warmth building across Europe.


It could be more than that though, as the Euro High looks ready to put up a fight against the Atlantic westerlies (example, ECM 00z day 10 on the left). With other parameters (SSTs, soil moisture etc.) looking conducive to heatwave conditions across Europe, we could find ourselves flirting with some significant hot weather not long into June (example GFS 06z day 15 on the right):


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Just look at the extent of the 15*C 850hPa isotherm on that GFS chart! This is what the earlier stages of the August 2003 heatwave looked like, and we're only in early June at the time of that chart 


It also serves to highlight the severe convective weather risk for us if we find ourselves in the company of an Iberian-sourced LP 


 


 


To summarise, I'm starting to feel a mix of excitement and concern when looking ahead to the first week or so of June. Recent summers have seen the hotter weather focused across eastern Europe and Scandinavia, but this year, the focus looks to be further west. Every year, some part of the globe has seen summer months setting new records for high average and maximum temperatures. I worry that it might be the turn of NW Europe this year, and we all know how much trouble that caused 12 years ago.


BUT we're looking at model output well outside the reliable at the moment, so we can't place much faith in these signals just yet. If anything, we could end up seeing roasting conditions in Spain and France while we recieve an absolute deluge. Just early warning signs, that's all... 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

It does not really tally with the ensemble which is warming up , but no heatwave.


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Matty H
24 May 2015 07:58:30

June monsoon 


Ally Pally Snowman
24 May 2015 08:02:21


June monsoon 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


i was being a bit tongue in cheek but many on here believe in it.


 


 


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doctormog
24 May 2015 08:35:18
It is more an observation than a belief? While not a monsoon the period of June into July in this country frequently sees an increase in unsettled westerly conditions bringing with them an increase in rainfall for many areas (after an often quieter period of springtime weather). It may be a tabloid style name but it is a genuine phenomenon or climatic trend/feature.

This of course does not mean that either this June or every other June will be wet and unsettled. it just means that such a prevailing westerly scenario tends to be more frequent at that time of the year.
Jim_AFCB
24 May 2015 09:17:21


June monsoon 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


More accurately known as the June Return of the Westerlies, though this year they never really went away.


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Charmhills
24 May 2015 09:54:05


 


i was being a bit tongue in cheek but many on here believe in it.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


So do the Met office.


I remember reading a press release on it a few years ago.


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Jiries
24 May 2015 12:05:43


 


i was being a bit tongue in cheek but many on here believe in it.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I never do believe it at all as it reserved for the tropic countries where they have monsoon seasons unlike in here it just a standard unsettled weather anytime of the year and type of rain always the same all year around.  Plus the temps does not reach 25C at night and 30C at daytime at all.


Look decent at times in here and likely a first car boot sales cancellation next Sunday since April as it continued went well despite quite very poor month in term of temps is the main factor not the rain as it been little every now and then.  Let hope more runs bringing support for a great start to June with nationwide HP everywhere and much warmer temps.  Interesting times ahead and well overdue for real warmth.


 

doctormog
24 May 2015 12:25:21
It doesn't really matter whether people believe it or not, it is a climatic feature in NW Europe (as statistics show and others have mentioned)
cultman1
24 May 2015 12:53:14
I agree Jiries .
it has been cool in May despite the CET stating otherwise andit certainly looks pretty awful from this Thursday onwards countrywide but for how long I wonder?
Retron
24 May 2015 13:41:20


It does not really tally with the ensemble which is warming up , but no heatwave.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


If it's heatwaves you're after you need to go where I am - Alaska. It's sod's law that two out my last three holidays have seen record-breaking warmth, first in Vegas in April and then Alaska in May. It's also sod's law that the cool conditions back home will be easing just as I return! (My holiday plan was to fly to somewhere snowy, as I've been snow-starved back home these last two winters. I did find some snow yesterday, but had to fly onto a glacier to see it! And even there, at 8C it was thawing rapidly.)


It just goes to show that when the jet kinks on a large scale it can take weeks and weeks for things to return to some semblance of normality.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Whether Idle
24 May 2015 16:58:07

I agree Jiries .
it has been cool in May despite the CET stating otherwise andit certainly looks pretty awful from this Thursday onwards countrywide but for how long I wonder?

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


Thursday to Monday looks quite unsettled on GFS, thence after settling down significantly according to the GFS.  Something of a trend towards a more settled outlook evident as we change seasons, possibly.


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cultman1
24 May 2015 17:16:08
Yes hopefully.... Brian alluded to improvements in a weeks time !
Ally Pally Snowman
25 May 2015 07:28:16

Quite a big warm up from the GFS ensembles from about the 3rd June. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


ECM Op this morning looking toasty by day 10. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


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Gooner
25 May 2015 07:29:50


Quite a big warm up from the GFS ensembles from about the 3rd June. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


ECM Op this morning looking toasty by day 10. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Mid 20's from GFS looking at that.......................that will be ok, no higher though


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Gavin P
25 May 2015 09:06:49

ECM looking very nice in it's extended range this morning...


Shades of May/June 2006? 


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Col
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25 May 2015 09:21:23


Quite a big warm up from the GFS ensembles from about the 3rd June. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


ECM Op this morning looking toasty by day 10. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Very nice. I can almost feel the warmth from that lovely dark orange radiating from my screen! Still, it's 10 days off and many a winter cold spell has disappeared in a shorter time frame than that so this could go the same way. Too soon for me to start circulating rumours at work that we are in for a heatwave.....


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Whether Idle
25 May 2015 09:53:12


ECM looking very nice in it's extended range this morning...


Shades of May/June 2006? 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Indeed, we could be in for a decent start to summer.  We should know quite soon where the controlling high will sit.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
cultman1
25 May 2015 14:52:21
lets hope so.... certainly the rest of this week, the weekend etc, is looking cool and uninspiring!

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