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doctormog
02 September 2015 16:37:33
So Scotland ticks all three boxes for the summer as a whole; colder, cloudier and wetter than average.
richardabdn
02 September 2015 16:55:22

Absolute garbage sums it up but a sunnier than average August at least partially redeemed it making it much less bad than the beyond horrific abominations of 2007, 2011 and 2012. Though any excess of rain and shortage of sun is totally unacceptable given the dross endured since 2007.


Stats for here:


Mean max: 17.0C (-0.5C)


Mean Min: 9.7C (-0.4C)


Rainfall: 245.4mm (150%)


Sun: 486.0 hrs (97%)


 


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Gusty
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03 September 2015 12:46:45

My Summer 2015 perception would score 6.3 out of 10.tongue-out


Based on my scoring classification breaking down into weeks.


 2.5 would be an 'excellent week' of virtually unbroken sunshine and high temperatures. (rare)


2 would represent 'A good week' a fine and dry week with variable sunny spells and temperatures close to or just above average.


1 would represent a 'mixed week' with variable cloud, some sunny spells and occasional showers never too far away.


0 would represent a 'poor week' of below average temperatures, frequent rain/showers and often windy.


Summarised locally I get.


June 8/10 - 4 good weeks (warmer,drier, sunnier than normal overall)


July 6/10 - 2 good weeks, 2 mixed weeks (warmer, average sunshine, average rainfall overall)


August 5/10 - 2 good weeks, 1 mixed week and 1 poor week. (warmer, duller, wetter than average overall)


19/3 = 6.3/10 or 63% which is not too bad.


In my book the benchmark Summer of 1976 which had 8 excellent weeks and 2 good weeks and 2 mixed weeks would have scored a mightily impressive 8.8/10 or 88% if it were a school examination. cool 


PS..I've noticed Seasonal Bounty's critical assessment of Whether Idles post in the other thread. Whether Idle has clearly used the 1976 Summer Benchmark as 100%. If I had used 1976 as a 100% benchmark then this year would also have scored 7.5/10.


IMO 1976 was not a 100% summer as there were cloudier and cooler blips in early June, mid July, early August and late August. I doubt this will ever be bettered ?


For information my Summer 1995 scored a healthy 7.6/10 or 76% but falls woefully short of the 8.8 set by 1976.


Locally 2007 scored 4.2/10 or 42%. It was saved only by a usable first week in June, first and last week in August, nationally though it was a stinker.


 


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Russwirral
03 September 2015 13:44:09
Not a fantastic Summer, but also not a terrible one. I always expect to see a cool period and we seem to have had that. We also have had 1 very decent spanish plume, and a few other near misses that have wafted some nice high temps around our shores. Ive had 2 BBQs and probably could have done more had i not been so lazy. Im growing chillis in my mums greenhouse (or is she growing them) theyve produced a very decent sized crop so far (yet to fully ripen)

What i have noticed this year is the definite increase in thundery activity. Probably the most active in over a decade as far as I can tell. We had a storm here in the Wirral a week or so ago that produced lightning about every 5-10 seconds at one point. I cant remember a storm as busy as that around these parts.
springsunshine
03 September 2015 15:37:02

We are very much in a long run of poor summers,as only 2 out of the last 9, can be classed as anything like better than average.


Those being 2013 and 2014.The later for being one of longest summers in living memory and 2013 for the scorching July. Its interesting that 3 of those poor summers 2007,2011,2015 all were preceeded by warm/hot spells during April each year.

Whether Idle
03 September 2015 18:22:31


PS..I've noticed Seasonal Bounty's critical assessment of Whether Idles post in the other thread. Whether Idle has clearly used the 1976 Summer Benchmark as 100%. If I had used 1976 as a 100% benchmark then this year would also have scored 7.5/10.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



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Hungry Tiger
03 September 2015 22:22:19


We are very much in a long run of poor summers,as only 2 out of the last 9, can be classed as anything like better than average.


Those being 2013 and 2014.The later for being one of longest summers in living memory and 2013 for the scorching July. Its interesting that 3 of those poor summers 2007,2011,2015 all were preceeded by warm/hot spells during April each year.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


That's something I have pointed out before - It cannot be proven overall - but a fine spell in April often spells trouble later on in the summer.


 


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Jiries
03 September 2015 22:46:26


 


That's something I have pointed out before - It cannot be proven overall - but a fine spell in April often spells trouble later on in the summer.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


No effect if was in other country's Spring hot spells.


Look at Toronto reached 33.3C yesterday making the hottest day of the year even they had a average summer with no major 35C heatwaves at least they got this yesterday better than nothing while here no signs of anything warm 27-28C that usually the highest maxes for every year in September.


Even today this country cannot cope with the cool air and to stay sunny same time, it just bring clouds and make it artificially cool.  I still amazed how Death Valley managed to see a very low July max of 35C under sunny spells and northerly winds so that really a proper cool spell.  This week cool spell is not a proper one and you need proven that can be done like what Death Valley did.  No need for clouds or rain to make it cool but sun and strong northerly winds can give you accurate true feeling how cool it can be.  

Jonesy
04 September 2015 15:50:17

What was really annoying this Summer was that regular NE'ly wind coming in off the Thames/North Sea, often noticed that in this area with being so close.


 


Only two decent Sundays out of Summer and then what seemed to happen midweek was nicie afternoons till about 5 then cloud up and then clear up again by 8!!!


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Gusty
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04 September 2015 17:42:44


What was really annoying this Summer was that regular NE'ly wind coming in off the Thames/North Sea, often noticed that in this area with being so close.


 


Only two decent Sundays out of Summer and then what seemed to happen midweek was nicie afternoons till about 5 then cloud up and then clear up again by 8!!!


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


Agree with you there Jonesy...The number of poor Sundays was odd and definitely lowered perceptions from people, especially those who work in the week and only get the weekend off. 


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04 September 2015 20:12:43

FRom a Chichester point of view, overlain by the fact that I personally don't enjoy temperatures above 25C, it was quite a good summer.


 


A long very dry period through June and July which meant a bit of a trial keeping the garden watered, though as the temperatures weren't too high the grass stayed green. Plenty of sunshine, too - the solar panel has generated enough hot water to keep us supplied until the last week or so.


We missed all the serious storms which affected Hampshire and Dorset early on, and East Sussex and Kent later. I'd have liked a decent lightning show.


 


So, a pleasant summer, but not a memorable one. 7 out of 10. 


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Whether Idle
05 September 2015 11:16:10

As I say, 2015 beats 2013 locally (Dover) which had a very cool June and a good July and an ok August.  2014 was poor August but June ok and July again good.


2015 is superior to both recent decent summers (2013,14) due to the relatively few rainfall days (if amounts were respectable due to intense periods of rain) and all 3 months being warmer due in large part to proximity to what was going on over the continent.


The only way to have true objectivity is to have a sound methodology, which I am in the process of devising. My thinking is similar to The Poulter Index and the Simple Summer Index (Trevor Baker), both devised in the 1960s, which should suit O levellers like me


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KevBrads1
05 September 2015 11:30:21

This makes depressing stats for warm summer fans. Summer months below 1971-2000 CET averages since 2001. If we divide into decadal periods, 2001-10 and 2011-2020, then we have already had more below average summer months since 2011-to now than were in the period 2001-10

Aug 2015: 15.9 (-0.3)
Jul 2015: 15.9 (-0.6)
Jun 2015: 14.0 (-0.1)
Aug 2014: 14.9 (-1.3)
Jun 2013: 13.6 (-0.5)
Jul 2012: 15.5 (-1.0)
Jun 2012: 13.5 (-0.6)
Aug 2011: 15.4 (-0.8)
July 2011: 15.2 (-1.3)
June 2011: 13.8 (-0.3)

Aug 2010: 15.3 (-0.9)
Jul 2009: 16.1 (-0.4)
Jul 2008: 16.2 (-0.3)
Jun 2008: 13.9 (-0.2)
Aug 2007: 15.4 (-0.8)
July 2007: 15.2 (-1.3)
Aug 2006: 16.1 (-0.1)
July 2004: 15.8 (-0.7)
Jul 2002: 16.0 (-0.5)


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springsunshine
05 September 2015 14:53:00

Very clear and revealing stats there Kevin,thanks


Interesting to note that there has been at least one summer month below average every year since 2005,dispeling the myth that summer 2006 was a hot one,it wasn`t,just a very hot July.


Oh well at least next summer will be hard pressed to be worse than this one,2015 will go down as almost the year without summer, utterly depressing that we may not get 20c+ until may 2016

Jiries
05 September 2015 15:19:39


Very clear and revealing stats there Kevin,thanks


Interesting to note that there has been at least one summer month below average every year since 2005,dispeling the myth that summer 2006 was a hot one,it wasn`t,just a very hot July.


Oh well at least next summer will be hard pressed to be worse than this one,2015 will go down as almost the year without summer, utterly depressing that we may not get 20c+ until may 2016


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


That worries about early cool weather meaning temps will not be much difference by winter and with already cold indoor temps heating would come on very early.  Mine stay off as I keep it warm as much as possible by windows shut completely.  I rather have Toronto type getting 33C this month and having hot indoor temps which is nice to keep warm for later on in Autumn when it get cold quickly over there.

LeedsLad123
05 September 2015 20:52:22


This makes depressing stats for warm summer fans. Summer months below 1971-2000 CET averages since 2001. If we divide into decadal periods, 2001-10 and 2011-2020, then we have already had more below average summer months since 2011-to now than were in the period 2001-10

Aug 2015: 15.9 (-0.3)
Jul 2015: 15.9 (-0.6)
Jun 2015: 14.0 (-0.1)
Aug 2014: 14.9 (-1.3)
Jun 2013: 13.6 (-0.5)
Jul 2012: 15.5 (-1.0)
Jun 2012: 13.5 (-0.6)
Aug 2011: 15.4 (-0.8)
July 2011: 15.2 (-1.3)
June 2011: 13.8 (-0.3)

Aug 2010: 15.3 (-0.9)
Jul 2009: 16.1 (-0.4)
Jul 2008: 16.2 (-0.3)
Jun 2008: 13.9 (-0.2)
Aug 2007: 15.4 (-0.8)
July 2007: 15.2 (-1.3)
Aug 2006: 16.1 (-0.1)
July 2004: 15.8 (-0.7)
Jul 2002: 16.0 (-0.5)


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


CET doesn't tell you everything though - not least what conditions are actually like on the ground. So, for example, June 2015 was below average - albeit so slightly as to be insignificant - but the average daily maximum was above average, sunshine was above average and rainfall was below average, so by all accounts it was actually a pretty nice month, all things considered?


As for 2006 - it was a hot summer generally, by our standards. Both June and July were well above average, and August 2006 was also only just below average - and I remember it being not that bad at all, just bad in comparison to the two months preceding and the following September.


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