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David M Porter
23 October 2015 20:22:13


That is a chart laden with potential down the line. It may look mild for the UK, but look at the cold building up to the east.


That is a very satisafactory chart for the time of year - far better than a zonal chart with mild westerlies all the way to the Urals.


Nothing wrong with that chart at all for the time of year.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Agreed.


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Whether Idle
24 October 2015 06:50:48


GFS wants to go for a typical autumn set up in the longer term this morning - suggestion of wind and rain there for November 1st.


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Andy Woodcock
24 October 2015 08:02:23

My God the models are all over the place, last night ECM had a strong zonal flow while GFS developed a huge Euro high at +216 but this morning it's the other way round!


Useless


Andy


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polarwind
24 October 2015 08:42:28


My God the models are all over the place, last night ECM had a strong zonal flow while GFS developed a huge Euro high at +216 but this morning it's the other way round!


Useless


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Yes, but I read that as a result of a more meridional influence on the synoptics. Its a far cry from the zonal stuff of the majority of the last 25 years or so. 


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idj20
24 October 2015 09:26:38


My God the models are all over the place, last night ECM had a strong zonal flow while GFS developed a huge Euro high at +216 but this morning it's the other way round!


Useless


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



I've noticed that too - and what's the betting that GFS's latest take on things will end up being verified come the moment anyway? While at the same time, it would be interesting to see if ECM does stick with their same Euro High idea in their evening run.  

All fun and games in this business.


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Gusty
24 October 2015 09:40:29

Every time the atlantic tries to ramp up High pressure inflates over Scandinavia creating an atlantic stand off. I wonder if this pattern will continue to establish as we move into winter. Interesting times ahead. 



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briggsy6
24 October 2015 10:43:31

Bad news for the GP this weekend.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
24 October 2015 17:37:30

laughing


Hi to all Model Outputters.


Well it does look like some Low Pressure Polar Vortex Splitted to two areas is expected after this Sunday's High Pressure gives way from the UK.


NNW Russia NE Europe and whole of Central North Atlantic Large Cold Pool with Polar Major Low Vortex in charge with bands of Heavy rain and Short waves trofs and mild/cold fronts at times for the aforementioned areas that does affect Britain as well.


Central Europe, SW of North Atlantic and this extend across East and SE and West Greenland - Major Slow Moving N Hem and Temperate MLB Highs also in place, where moist cool and mild airmass and clear skies- dry conditions are expected with cloudy weather on the SE flows and on the NW'esterly on the NE parts of them.


The Setup is of near average Autumn weather with normal amounts of rain, no flood problems and it will from Monday 26th to Friday 30th be not particularly cold at all for the UK.


Some Snow over Svalbard and NE Norway plus Finland and the West Russian side more particularly the NNW Russia area, very cold NNW winds during that period for them, includes Moscow.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gooner
24 October 2015 18:03:08


Bad news for the GP this weekend.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


Is he ill ?



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Gooner
24 October 2015 18:08:23

http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek9.gif


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek10.gif


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek11.gif


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek12.gif


 


Not many would complain if this is how it pans out


 


JFF of course


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David M Porter
24 October 2015 18:24:55


I wouldn't complain, that's for sure.


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Andy Woodcock
24 October 2015 20:04:21
Tonight ECM and GFS align with a more zonal flow and a Biscay High or Iberian High by +240.

Thank God, I am off to the Canaries on Thursday and didn't want a UK High forcing the Jet south into North Africa!

MetO MRF indicates the same but with such volatile Synoptics I will still tell the wife to take a brolly.

Andy
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Whether Idle
24 October 2015 20:17:51

Tonight ECM and GFS align with a more zonal flow and a Biscay High or Iberian High by +240.


Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Yes, The ECM falls in with the GFS for 1st Nov.  Will they both now perform a volte face?



 


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Andy Woodcock
24 October 2015 20:59:15


 


Yes, The ECM falls in with the GFS for 1st Nov.  Will they both now perform a volte face?



 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I bloody hope not! The above chart looks good to me.


Andy


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Saint Snow
24 October 2015 21:04:57


 


Depends on the set-up that brings those temps. Dry & cold, whilst much better than wet & mild, doesn't really get my juices flowing.



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Gusty
24 October 2015 21:20:07


Depends on the set-up that brings those temps. Dry & cold, whilst much better than wet & mild, doesn't really get my juices flowing.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Coldest temperatures in the middle of the country would suggest a stagnant mid winter anticyclonic set up.  Dry and Cold beats wet and mild IMO. 


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Chunky Pea
24 October 2015 22:04:08
ECM mean run out to day 10 suggests a continuation of the nondescript conditions into early November. Nothing overly cold or mild with no sign of the jet beefing up to any great extent.

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Gooner
25 October 2015 07:40:28


 


 


Depends on the set-up that brings those temps. Dry & cold, whilst much better than wet & mild, doesn't really get my juices flowing.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Looking at Scandi and Europe it looks like something from the East , I understand why you'd say that , it was of course an IMBY favoured post as we do very well in that set up


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Hippydave
25 October 2015 09:16:15

Another fairly nondescript set of runs this morning imo.


Takes a while but eventually LP sinks the block, running over the top of Scandi and sinking the colder air well South and East.


Here in the UK relatively mild, wet at times and probably drier the further south (and east) you go. Frosts probably non-existent.


 


ECM seems fairly keen in FI on setting up a bit of a Euro High, which would be even more boring down here although would certainly keep the heating bills down (or at zero for me as I'm just using the woodburner atm ).


 


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Solar Cycles
25 October 2015 11:16:39


Another fairly nondescript set of runs this morning imo.


Takes a while but eventually LP sinks the block, running over the top of Scandi and sinking the colder air well South and East.


Here in the UK relatively mild, wet at times and probably drier the further south (and east) you go. Frosts probably non-existent.


 


ECM seems fairly keen in FI on setting up a bit of a Euro High, which would be even more boring down here although would certainly keep the heating bills down (or at zero for me as I'm just using the woodburner atm ). 


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

Shades of 97/98 possibly.🙈🙉🙊

Charmhills
25 October 2015 11:41:47


 


Coldest temperatures in the middle of the country would suggest a stagnant mid winter anticyclonic set up.  Dry and Cold beats wet and mild IMO. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Or that could be bitter east/northeast winds where its nearly always a degree or two higher near the coasts than inland areas.


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Gooner
26 October 2015 09:01:45

http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek9.gif


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek10.gif


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek11.gif


 


http://www.weatherweb.net/cfs/cfses4avmaxukweek12.gif


 


Not for the first time CFS hints at a colder start to the NY


 


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idj20
26 October 2015 09:23:36

While the trick is not to take the 240 hrs medium range outputs at face value, I have never seen such unanimous agreement at that time frame in the latest batch of runs. In this case, they are all mostly showing high pressure to be the dominant force at around the 5th Nov, that would suggest odds on favourite for Guy Fawkes night to turn out dry, mild and settled - at least for this end of the country.

Like I said, it is just something I've noticed this morning. Doubtless it'll all look different by the end of today.


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Russwirral
26 October 2015 09:32:41
plenty of interest around the 10 day mark

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20151026/00/288/h850t850eu.png 

although doesnt deliver the goods, does come close.

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