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Retron
05 December 2015 04:44:34

Last night's 12z ECM control run continues the theme of recent days - a northerly plunge at 192, then low pressure attempts to move in from the west. There are a less-cold couple of days, but then another low comes along and gets deflected SE'wards as pressure builds again to the west. Strong northerlies and NE'lies result, again drawing cold air over the UK.

It may not be a textbook cold spell, but one thing it's not is day after day of mild murky weather such as we're having now (in the south, at least!),


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
05 December 2015 07:35:51

Another good building blocks run from the ECM this morning.


Maybe even a snow event for the SE at day 9


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


By day 10 we have GReenland , Scandinavia and Arctic highs not bad!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Retron
05 December 2015 07:45:02


Another good building blocks run from the ECM this morning.


Maybe even a snow event for the SE at day 9


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yup, it's a fun one - starts with snow over Devon and Cornwall at 204, then by 210 most areas south of the M4 see snow falling.


It's all still looking good for a change away from this mild drek in a week's time. (And no, I'm not expecting widespread snowfall at this stage - a break from the past couple of weeks of near-constant mild and gloomy weather will be welcome enough!)


Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
05 December 2015 08:11:20

It will turn cold this winter. Of course it will. But just chasing the rainbow at this stage is futile as there is nothing to point towards anything at the moment. No amount of hopecasting will change that. For the time being its my ark rather than my sledge that is being readied.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


You would have nothing to post if we didnt chase that pot of gold


 


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gusty
05 December 2015 08:18:09

 


By day 10 we have GReenland , Scandinavia and Arctic highs not bad!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Not forgetting a deep Icelandic low and higher heights over Spain too .


As others have eluded there is an attempted pattern changer in the offing that hopefully may bring something more seasonal and somewhat brighter in the 7-10 day range. Ensembles are uncertain.


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Ally Pally Snowman
05 December 2015 08:46:15


 


Not forgetting a deep Icelandic low and higher heights over Spain too .


As others have eluded there is an attempted pattern changer in the offing that hopefully may bring something more seasonal and somewhat brighter in the 7-10 day range. Ensembles are uncertain.


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Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


Looks like that Icelandic low would turn into a slider 


 


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bledur
05 December 2015 09:17:25

Temps returning closer to average.


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Gooner
05 December 2015 09:21:44


Fair comment but no one can deny on past experience in all likelihood that we can be fairly certain. It is very very seldom we get anything but mild zonality in December. We have all been here for many many years and we all know how hard these patterns are to shift when we get such a stubborn euro high.


I am longing for a change but I won't hope cast it.


 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


If we all settled for mild zonality in December then this thread would be empty , apart from Jacko Sorry Jacko.


Posting charts 10-14 days out also gives a clue on verification as we get to day 0


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North Oxfordshire
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David M Porter
05 December 2015 09:33:10


Fair comment but no one can deny on past experience in all likelihood that we can be fairly certain. It is very very seldom we get anything but mild zonality in December. We have all been here for many many years and we all know how hard these patterns are to shift when we get such a stubborn euro high.


I am longing for a change but I won't hope cast it.


 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


On that I disagree. Anyone who knows anything at all about the UK's weather must know that a lot of the time, it is hard to be certain or anything even approaching it wrt what the weather will be like a handful of days ahead, let alone a few weeks in advance. In other parts of the world, forecasters can possibly make longer term predictions with more certainty, but with our highly variable climate that is very difficult indeed.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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roger63
05 December 2015 09:39:13


 


If we all settled for mild zonality in December then this thread would be empty , apart from Jacko Sorry Jacko.


Posting charts 10-14 days out also gives a clue on verification as we get to day 0


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I love cold and snow and of course its exciting to see some cold members of ensembles.However unless cold members are in the large majority excitement is premature (Currently its 66:34 in favour of mild  on GEFS at 384h)


I do think it is possible to make calls for a  month  providing the call is not in any detail but is broad circulation type ie NAO. My call for December is overall NAO+.Reasons: very strong El Nino,opinion of successive METO 3 month forecasts and little sign of sustained cold in model output over the last month.Whether call is right or not is measurable by the daily and then monthly NAO actuals. The odd cold spell within the month does not make the NAO +call invalid.

Sevendust
05 December 2015 09:39:27

Not buying into anything at T240 or beyond although you can see potential changes if you get clustering.


However, the GFS pack, as they have been for quite some time show a broad spread at that range and the ensemble mean is certainly not cold as a result.


As someone posted earlier, it looks like it may get less mild with time but I would expect that at some point anyway given the ongoing anomaly.

GIBBY
05 December 2015 10:32:48

The content of some on these last few pages re bickering and sweeping statements about this that and the other is one reason why I no longer post my summary here and on the other side in Winter. Joining in would not be good for my mental health. After all it is only the weather and as far as I'm concerned there are far more important things in my life at this time of year so prefer to keep my thoughts contained within my website.


 


 


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Gusty
05 December 2015 10:33:25

The 6z GFS is trickling out. I have to say that at 192 hours it looks remarkably similar to the ECM.



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doctormog
05 December 2015 10:39:21
Yes, you're right Steve and I think the 00z run wasn't too dissimilar either at the same point (with more anticyclonic conditions)?
Russwirral
05 December 2015 10:41:27
looks like a block beginning to form over the UK in FI this morning. Would be the sensible and more realistic outcome for the UK. So long as it doesnt merge with the Euro High - this could turn into a good thing.
Gusty
05 December 2015 10:42:20

Yes, you're right Steve and I think the 00z run wasn't too dissimilar either at the same point (with more anticyclonic conditions)?

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Indeed Michael. A temporary coldish high was in place on the 0z at this stage. Never has a pattern change been more welcomed by all ! 


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Russwirral
05 December 2015 10:44:30
Interesting and encouraging to see the lack of LPs wanting to run north on the last few runs... instead they all seem to stall in the Mid atlantic - signs of a block on the cards?
Gusty
05 December 2015 10:47:50

I'm going to stop here but such a chart would be drawing in dry and cold continental air. A neutral NAO would be a novel experience too. 



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Gusty
05 December 2015 11:02:05

One more from me I promise.


I don't think too many people would be disappointed to see a chart like this given the date. 



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Russwirral
05 December 2015 11:07:27


One more from me I promise.


I don't think too many people would be disappointed to see a chart like this given the date. 



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


Aye - the whole run has been a pleasure to see roll out.  Plenty of interest in it.


Maunder Minimum
05 December 2015 11:16:42


 


Aye - the whole run has been a pleasure to see roll out.  Plenty of interest in it.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Definitely an improvement on the 00z - long may it continue. As others have commented, the Polar vortex is being ripped apart - the variations in the output reflect the uncertainty that brings. It is not guaranteed that a disrupted vortex will bring cold to our shores, since we could end up on the wrong side of a meridional jet, but it increases the chances of getting some proper winter weather. At least there is hope now, instead of despair.


New world order coming.
Solar Cycles
05 December 2015 11:16:51


 


 


Aye - the whole run has been a pleasure to see roll out.  Plenty of interest in it.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

A rest bite from the dire wet, windy and never ending grey skies would be most welcomed IMBY, sod the snow I just want some sunshine and frosty mornings.

moomin75
05 December 2015 11:17:04
If I promise not to make so many sweeping statements can I still be friends too? Slightly more interesting 6z. So I will sit tight and watch with baited breath. Wouldn't mind seeing something before I head off for warmer climes. Though preferably nothing disruptive on 30th.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
cowman
05 December 2015 11:38:42


The content of some on these last few pages re bickering and sweeping statements about this that and the other is one reason why I no longer post my summary here and on the other side in Winter. Joining in would not be good for my mental health. After all it is only the weather and as far as I'm concerned there are far more important things in my life at this time of year so prefer to keep my thoughts contained within my website.


 


 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

well said Gibby,but I do miss your posts,was just easier to look on here than go to your website,bit lazy I know.

Gooner
05 December 2015 13:02:43

Out of the last 55 years a White Xmas has been reported 38 times


Snow lying on the ground has only been achieved 4 times in the 55 years


The whitest Xmas ( most snow lying on the ground ) was 2010 , 80% of the weather stations in the UK reported snow on the ground.


2004 was our snowiest xmas ( most weather stations reported snow falling )


 


Some interesting stats


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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