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Quantum
26 December 2015 18:39:31

12Z ECM looking very good at 168


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
26 December 2015 18:41:12

In a wierd way the 12Z GFS was actually an upgrade, the WAA angle was superior to the 6Z. That wierd situation with that Eurotrough enchancing HP over the med is what ultimately prevented a cold incursion. I don't believe that though, its contrived that an LP would just appear out of nowhere like that.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
26 December 2015 18:42:47

The 216h chart is going to be awesome.



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
pdiddy
26 December 2015 18:50:09

Now then, this is a bit more interesting... Op looks to be on the mild side too.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Aberdeen_ens.png

David M Porter
26 December 2015 18:51:44


The 216h chart is going to be awesome.



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Maybe all hope isn't lost yet Q, for those hoping to see some kind of pattern change sooner rather than later.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
White Meadows
26 December 2015 18:53:05


The 216h chart is going to be awesome.



Originally Posted by: Quantum 

looks wet and wild to me?

Gooner
26 December 2015 18:53:36


Just need the cold to NE to edge SW and were in


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Banbury
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Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2015 18:54:15

Nearly Q but not quite a very good run though. The New Year cold spell is as likely as ever tonight with much better ensembles from GFS and now a positive ecm.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2015 19:02:53

So close to something special 264h would be interesting. A good run all in all a step closer to a cold spell today.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Polar Low
26 December 2015 19:06:00

Nice run some beast at 1055 not gong to sink low pressure getting into the right position later opportunities in the mix and  a low pressure very hard to model at 168


positive direction for coldies tonight japs also join the battlefield



and a better jap run


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=192&mode=1&nh=1&archive=0


 



Nearly Q but not quite a very good run though. The New Year cold spell is as likely as ever tonight with much better ensembles from GFS and now a positive ecm.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Sevendust
26 December 2015 19:08:24


looks wet and wild to me?


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Certainly wet.


The ensembles are looking less mild as we get more of a westerly influence than SW in the zonal solutions plus there is likely to be ambient drop off as we move deeper into winter.


As Darren has mentioned, any continental solution may well be colder than the uppers suggest due to surface cold pooling at source in mainland Europe.

Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2015 19:19:39


Nice run some beast at 1055 not gong to sink low pressure getting into the right position later opportunities in the mix and  a low pressure very hard to model at 168


positive direction for coldies tonight japs also join the battlefield



and a better jap run


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=192&mode=1&nh=1&archive=0


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes surprised just how good the output is tonight was expecting a complete climb down to be honest. 


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
26 December 2015 19:45:54
It seems unfortunately the main problem across all models is a reluctance to build pressure west of Norway- Forget Greenland. Until stronger hints arrive of this any energy just drags up Westerly or south westerly Atlantic airflow.
picturesareme
26 December 2015 19:50:51
Must be near drought levels now in parts of southern Europe by now, surely?
After the blistering hot summer followed now by relentless high pressure...
SJV
26 December 2015 20:04:07

Must be near drought levels now in parts of southern Europe by now, surely?
After the blistering hot summer followed now by relentless high pressure...

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Good point  The other side of the anomaly, so to speak. A very dry spell for many down there.

picturesareme
26 December 2015 20:12:25


 


Good point  The other side of the anomaly, so to speak. A very dry spell for many down there.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


i wonder what the effect the dry land will have in the next couple of months with regards to the spread of winter cold or spring warmth. I remember reading once that dry soils can encourage heating. 

Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2015 20:35:22

Decent day 10 Mean from the ECM cold not very far away.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Schnow in Peace
26 December 2015 20:42:06

Have been watching the current charts with great interest. If the current pattern is to break, which inevitably it will at some point, the current output would provide a plausible mechanism for doing so. Of course when this happens, and exactly what we would end up with, is another matter entirely. A Sceuro high or a high over us are as likely as a high latitude block favourably positioned for cold. On past trends it will also likely take several attempts to achieve this. With so much energy going North in the jet to high latitudes, and large amounts of warm air advection, plus the current longer term output, in some ways this reminds me of early 2005 (and the various teases and let downs) before the major late winter pattern change. I recall Tom C mentioning back then how when the jet is progressively forced north then the pattern will eventually re-set itself. This would also tie in to the METO thinking re.the late winter period , at least when the contingency forecast was issued.


Against this must be measured the strength of this years' El Nino and the additional energy in the system compared to, say, 1983 which saw such a change also. As such these are uncharted waters, it will be fascinating to see how the later winter period will develop. FWIW if there is a severe freeze of any duration this year I would think it will probably more likely be of the intense but relatively brief 1991/1987 type than massive Northern blocking like 2010. Not that many would complain


On a final note would have to say I rate the METO 144 charts on a purely anecdotal basis, certainly in this type of situation. I could be wrong, but I cannot recall a significant cold spell that came to fruition without its support-regardless of GFS or ECM output at the same range.


 

David M Porter
26 December 2015 20:43:50


Decent day 10 Mean from the ECM cold not very far away.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


At least there does seem to be some consistency now from the op runs that pressure will drop to some degree over central & southern Europe. That has played a big part in driving the very mild & unsettled pattern we've had since the end of October/start of November. Let's hope that's what happens anyway.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
picturesareme
26 December 2015 20:49:47


 


At least there does seem to be some consistency now from the op runs that pressure will drop to some degree over central & southern Europe. That has played a big part in driving the very mild & unsettled pattern we've had since the end of October/start of November. Let's hope that's what happens anyway.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 


620mm of rain so far for 2015 down here.. Parts of Cumbria have seen close to if not more then that in the last month. 😦

Ally Pally Snowman
26 December 2015 20:58:04


 


At least there does seem to be some consistency now from the op runs that pressure will drop to some degree over central & southern Europe. That has played a big part in driving the very mild & unsettled pattern we've had since the end of October/start of November. Let's hope that's what happens anyway.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


The NW definitely needs a break from the insane rain they've had to put up with this month. If we get a NE or an Easterly cold spell that would certainly help.


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
exweatherex
26 December 2015 20:58:38

Must be near drought levels now in parts of southern Europe by now, surely?
After the blistering hot summer followed now by relentless high pressure...

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Hello from  Thessaloniki, Greece. There's been no rain for over two months (except for 2 days in November)... It seems this drought is about to end with heavy lake-effect snow at the eastern continental parts of the country (and that includes Athens...). Unfortunately, we can't have heavy snow both in northern and eastern Greece, so we'll only going to get a few flakes here... Only GFS doesn't support this scenario right now.

nsrobins
26 December 2015 21:02:51

De Bilt set:


http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?type=eps_pluim

Quite an increase in the number clustering below -5 surface today compared to yesterday.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gusty
26 December 2015 21:23:41

10-15% chance of an easterly now and gradually rising IMO. Its been a slow but steady burner for several days now. Interesting times. 


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picturesareme
26 December 2015 21:33:16


 


Hello from  Thessaloniki, Greece. There's been no rain for over two months (except for 2 days in November)... It seems this drought is about to end with heavy lake-effect snow at the eastern continental parts of the country (and that includes Athens...). Unfortunately, we can't have heavy snow both in northern and eastern Greece, so we'll only going to get a few flakes here... Only GFS doesn't support this scenario right now.


Originally Posted by: exweatherex 


Very dry there then, though im now a little jealous you are soon to be getting snow. Is such dryness at this time of year normal for Greece? 

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