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Rob K
04 January 2016 10:23:21
The jet seems to be pushed ever southwards. Now the picture for next Monday shows the heavy rain
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1682.gif 

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Russwirral
04 January 2016 10:25:54
Also - progressing through this mornings run, it seems GFS is angling more towards a GH. Much more defined LP to the south of the Mid Atlantic block formation, meaning the ridge will most likely stay linked to the polar side. This could be a good run, though - again still at an arms length in FI.

Promising to see LPs way to the south, rather than wanting to topple over and stomping on an atlantic ridge. Jet seems lower too.


Solar Cycles
04 January 2016 10:31:56
For me all I see is a toppler of at least 48hrs duration thereafter the Atlantic powers through the ridge and normal service is resumed.
Rob K
04 January 2016 10:35:18

For me all I see is a toppler of at least 48hrs duration thereafter the Atlantic powers through the ridge and normal service is resumed.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


 


Not much sign of the Atlantic "powering" anywhere here. Yes there is a surface low there but the heights remain very impressive with no sign of the deep lows we have seen.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2101.gif


 


The fly in the ointment seems to be the ridging northwards from Africa so far. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2281.gif


 


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warrenb
04 January 2016 10:38:59
This has a very 1947 look about it. PV is in pieces and no power in the Atlantic at last.
Rob K
04 January 2016 10:42:40

This has a very 1947 look about it. PV is in pieces and no power in the Atlantic at last.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 


Yes pretty amazing to see these colours on a North Atlantic chart, no purples to be seen! 


 


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/06_231_mslp500.png?cb=496


 


I'm sure the UK will find a way to avoid any deep cold, but it's nice to see nevertheless!


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Rob K
04 January 2016 10:50:35

OK this run will do for me. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.gif


 


We are seeing the previously modelled "super low" pretty much die a death over the UK from about 120hrs-144hrs. Then heights just die and rise over the North Atlantic and the Greenland high (on this run) gets perfectly pumped up by WAA out of Canada around T240-264. BANK!


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Russwirral
04 January 2016 10:51:49
with the LPs forced every more south in this mornings FI. The Cold is having more of a presence to the UK. This is consistent with the LPs on previous runs seemingly having less and less energy at higher latitudes...

This could be a benchmark run should the ensembles not show an outlier. Could this herald the northern blocking weve been chasing?
Russwirral
04 January 2016 10:54:03
Charmhills
04 January 2016 10:54:07


Interesting fi and the blocking over the poles is epic!


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doctormog
04 January 2016 10:55:32
Yes, not a bad FI stretch! At least things are interesting to look at and there is support for that type of scenario from across the models and wider teleconnections. Still, there is lots and lots of time for things to change and disappear.
Rob K
04 January 2016 10:56:07

Adjust this 200 miles south and we have a New Year's Eve 1978 blizzard rerun :)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2761.gif



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ITSY
04 January 2016 11:01:06

Probably the best low res run of the season from the 06z - pieces in place by end of high res. at one stage there are Greenland highs, Arctic highs and Siberian highs. The jet takes a vacation to Morocco by late FI and the Atlantic goes as quiet as its been in several years. The North Midlands probably get 2f of snow too. Haha it can only get worse from there! 🙈

Charmhills
04 January 2016 11:02:23



Deep fi, but I would not say no to that.


MJO is set to remain in phase 7 so its no surprise.


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Saint Snow
04 January 2016 11:07:05


Cheeky little snow event for Friday on this mornings GFS run


Evaporative cooling will play a major part on the northern side due to slack winds - (based on Q's KT earlier last week)


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


That chart shows the snow missing me & thee, though.  Seems like it'd be more of a 'with altitude' event, but the graphics aren't detailed enough to really show this.


 



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Russwirral
04 January 2016 11:10:15


 


 


That chart shows the snow missing me & thee, though.  Seems like it'd be more of a 'with altitude' event, but the graphics aren't detailed enough to really show this.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I think we could be lucky here.


 


AS the LP moves in from the south west - we are on the north side so our air is coming from a more chilly northely direction (or from a cold northern england airmass) . Add in Evap cooling and Bingo.  So long as the trajectory stays the same - we could be in for a bit of short lived snow cover.


Saint Snow
04 January 2016 11:19:37

I know some recent output is hinting at something altogether better, but I get the feeling that this winter is shaping up to be a bit like 2012/13, in that cold spells are shortlived but yield some 'surprise' snowfalls to certain parts of the UK (chiefly away from the south)


 



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ITSY
04 January 2016 11:45:06
http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=302&y=2 

Best ens of the season for low res - cold cluster growing notably stronger; the op is by no means a cold outlier, which is surprising!
Russwirral
04 January 2016 12:12:26

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=302&y=2

Best ens of the season for low res - cold cluster growing notably stronger; the op is by no means a cold outlier, which is surprising!

Originally Posted by: ITSY 


 


agreed - not an outlier - but in the middle of the cold cluster.


 


There are still some members going mild though.  


Russwirral
04 January 2016 12:14:12

 


 


Lol


 


That would be a proper winter storm on the op run from this morning then.  Proper Snowmageddon on the 15th.


 


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Essan
04 January 2016 12:39:00


Lol


 That would be a proper winter storm on the op run from this morning then.  Proper Snowmageddon on the 15th.


 


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


Classic 'slider' - but this is the notorious 06z run (which so often throws up improbable, unsupported eye candy) and it's way out in the low res range ....

Also, looks like just rain for me, with a bit of sleetiness on the back edge .....


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Fothergill
04 January 2016 13:27:41

A more sober ECM this morn, I think it's a lot more realistic than the eye candy of last night. Now the GFS' turn to throw up some spectacular charts but in deep FI


ECM ens anomalies shows extensive heights over the Arctic. Also note the renewed vortex over NE N.America I've been mentioning, this is why I still favour a toppler at this stage - but a proper Greeny high is definitely plausible too but I'd say less likely.



More runs needed as they say.

Russwirral
04 January 2016 13:58:00

utilising JB twitter account - we can see some more ensemble encouragement for GH blocking.

https://twitter.com/BigJoe******i/status/683985781824729088/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=BigJoe******i&utm_content=683985781824729088 


 


 


ITSY
04 January 2016 14:15:28

Meto update not exactly full throttle behind cold, but clearly sees a risk - albeit a temporary one which alludes to prospect of a northerly toppler 


"Temperatures through the period are likely to be near or a little above average. However, there is the risk of a brief much colder spell at the end of next week, with frost and snow showers" - for the Eastern Region

Robertski
04 January 2016 14:27:40


Meto update not exactly full throttle behind cold, but clearly sees a risk - albeit a temporary one which alludes to prospect of a northerly toppler 


"Temperatures through the period are likely to be near or a little above average. However, there is the risk of a brief much colder spell at the end of next week, with frost and snow showers" - for the Eastern Region


Originally Posted by: ITSY 


 


Not that long ago they had little or no chance of a cold spell in the forecast. Its an upgrade

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