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ARTzeman
25 February 2016 12:10:19

Met Office Hadley        5.4c.       Anomaly           1.7c.   Provisional to 24th.


Metcheck                     5.26c.      Anomaly            1.06c.


Netweather                  5.75c.      Anomaly            1.56c.


PSJ                              5.7c.       Anomaly             2.0c.


   






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ScientificOregon
25 February 2016 12:46:33

Looks like we're tiptoeing down again. The next 5 daytimes look like 5 or 6c and nighttimes around 0 or 1. A small rise by day maybe to 7c and cloud cover at night still may give a chance for a new record.


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Maunder Minimum
25 February 2016 12:50:19


Looks like we're tiptoeing down again. The next 5 daytimes look like 5 or 6c and nighttimes around 0 or 1. A small rise by day maybe to 7c and cloud cover at night still may give a chance for a new record.


Originally Posted by: ScientificOregon 


I am keeping my fingers crossed that we don't actually get a new record on this particular measure.


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25 February 2016 13:43:20
Anyone know where we stand on UK temperature, England and Wales and other regional series?

Given the anomaly distribution so far I'd guess we are way off the record for the UK as a whole but odds on for London and Southeast East England.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
ARTzeman
26 February 2016 12:42:49

Met Office Hadley            5.2c.           Anomaly          1.5c.     Provisional to 25th.


Metcheck                        5.16c.         Anomaly            1.9c.


Netweather                     5.61c.         Anomaly            1.42c.   


PSJ                                 5.5c.          Anomaly            1.5c.    






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Bertwhistle
26 February 2016 17:57:28

This late in the month, we should be nearer knowing if it's likely or unlikely and maybe even how of each of these the record is....unless it's sailing very close to the wind.


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ScientificOregon
26 February 2016 18:23:09

I think this winter is running out of steam at the last few days. I looked at the cet records and saw quite a similarity in 1974/5: dec:8.1, jan 6.8, feb 4.4


                  2015/16: dec:9.7, jan 5.4, feb? 2 great chances to take the record!


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ARTzeman
27 February 2016 08:59:17

Should we stay in the 5.'s for next month........  






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ARTzeman
27 February 2016 12:05:09

Met Office Hadley             5.2c.    Anomaly   1.5c. provisional to 26th.


Metcheck                         5.09c.  Anomaly   0.89c.


Netweather                      5.54c.  Anomaly   1.35c.


PSJ                                 5.5c.    Anomaly   1.5c.  






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lanky
27 February 2016 17:13:30

Just need an average of 3.21C for the mean CET for the last 3 days of the winter


Barring downward adjustments to the Feb provisional data after month-end I think the odds are slightly in favour of getting the new record mildest winter


 


Martin
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27 February 2016 20:55:49

So we are looking at, at the very least, the warmest winter since 1868-69 despite a January and February which have for modern times been wholly unremarkable. The same pairing was markedly warmer in 2002, 2007, 2008 and 2014  but of course none of them were proceeded by such a flukishly warm December. 

Grandad
28 February 2016 10:58:57

Guys...
Have I missed the March CET forum?
Global Warming
28 February 2016 11:02:35

I think I can be fairly confident in saying that, for the CET series at least, we will not have the warmest winter on record this year.


The stats on the Hadley site just take the mean temperature for each of the three winter months and divide by 3. 


1868/9 had a total figure of 20.3C if you add up the 3 winter months which gives an average of 6.77C when divided by 3.


For 2015/16 I expect the February CET to finish at 4.9C. This gives a total of 20.0C for the winter months and a mean of 6.67C. Allowing for the fact that my calculations can be 0.1-0.2C out that would still not be enough to even equal the record.


A more accurate calculation on a daily basis gives a mean for 1868/9 of 6.74C. My calculations for 2015/16 give 6.71C so this is closer but we still miss the record.

Global Warming
28 February 2016 11:03:47

Guys...
Have I missed the March CET forum?

Originally Posted by: Grandad 


No I have not posted it yet. Will get to it shortly.

ScientificOregon
28 February 2016 11:16:29

A very cold night in prospect tonight, might send the cet tumbling a little more.


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ARTzeman
28 February 2016 11:25:26

Met Office Hadley                5.1c.           Anomaly         1.6c.     Provisional to 27th.


Metcheck                            5.01c.         Anomaly         0.81c.


Netweather                         5.48c.         Anomaly         1.29c.


Cheadle Hulme Weather       5.3c.           Anomaly           0.8c.


Clevedon Weather                6.7c.          Anomaly           1.4c.


Mount Sorrel                        5.4c.          Anomaly           1.2c.


Peasedown St John               5.4c.          Anomaly           1.7c.       






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Bellevarde
28 February 2016 12:56:03


I think I can be fairly confident in saying that, for the CET series at least, we will not have the warmest winter on record this year.


The stats on the Hadley site just take the mean temperature for each of the three winter months and divide by 3. 


1868/9 had a total figure of 20.3C if you add up the 3 winter months which gives an average of 6.77C when divided by 3.


For 2015/16 I expect the February CET to finish at 4.9C. This gives a total of 20.0C for the winter months and a mean of 6.67C. Allowing for the fact that my calculations can be 0.1-0.2C out that would still not be enough to even equal the record.


A more accurate calculation on a daily basis gives a mean for 1868/9 of 6.74C. My calculations for 2015/16 give 6.71C so this is closer but we still miss the record.


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


 


Hmm, think the Met Office/Beeb are getting way ahead of themselves....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/35678575


Specific mention of the highest ever CET (after the boring 1910 temperature series).


Mark


 


 

Bertwhistle
28 February 2016 15:37:22


 


 


Hmm, think the Met Office/Beeb are getting way ahead of themselves....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/35678575


Specific mention of the highest ever CET (after the boring 1910 temperature series).


Mark


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bellevarde 


Yes- it's not perfectly clear what (or when) he is referring to with each bit of information but it does sound as if Matt T says the CET was the highest ever recorded. Others- look at this link and see what you think.


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four
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29 February 2016 08:56:50

Feb will be 3.4C(-0.1C) here.
Since January was only about +1C I struggle to understand all these claims of mildest ever.
It certainly has't been mildest ever further north, it just feels like a mild-ish winter with slightly less snow and frost than normal especially in December. 

Daffodils and such - locally - agree, they are still needing some mild days to open.
The early types in a sheltered spot have been out in late Feb several times before but aren't open yet this year.


Maunder Minimum
29 February 2016 10:31:56

If they announce the highest CET on record, it will be for political reasons with massaged figures.


No way can this be the mildest ever winter, regardless of the disgusting December we had to endure.


2013-14 was overall milder - I don't even recall a single airfrost in our locale for the whole of that winter.


P.S. here in Worcestershire, recorded -2 celsius last night - current reading at 10:33 is 3.2 celsius.


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ARTzeman
29 February 2016 12:00:52

Met Office Hadley            5.1c.              Anomaly         1.3c.      Provisional to  28th..


Metcheck                        4.92c.             Anomaly           0.72c.


Netweather                     5.42c.             Anomaly           1.23c.


Peasedown St John          5.3c.               Anomaly           1.6c.      






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Devonian
29 February 2016 17:34:22


If they announce the highest CET on record, it will be for political reasons with massaged figures.


No way can this be the mildest ever winter, regardless of the disgusting December we had to endure.


2013-14 was overall milder - I don't even recall a single airfrost in our locale for the whole of that winter.


P.S. here in Worcestershire, recorded -2 celsius last night - current reading at 10:33 is 3.2 celsius.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

You've collected the data and done the sums then?

Bertwhistle
29 February 2016 17:39:10


You've collected the data and done the sums then?


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


So - all you maths brains- where are we with this? I based all my earlier thoughts on 6.77; so if the MetO bases things on three means divided by 3, that'll be unfair in that it gives the shortest and coldest month equal weighting. But is it even that close any mre?


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Devonian
29 February 2016 17:46:59


 


So - all you maths brains- where are we with this? I based all my earlier thoughts on 6.77; so if the MetO bases things on three means divided by 3, that'll be unfair in that it gives the shortest and coldest month equal weighting. But is it even that close any mre?


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Let's see what Hadley come up with. It might, or might not, be the case Matt Taylor was premature, we don't know yet..

Grandad
29 February 2016 18:38:05


 


No I have not posted it yet. Will get to it shortly.


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


GW..


Thanks


I did a seach and it came up with nothing.


But so have some of my other searches recently,    so I just wondered.

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