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moomin75
05 June 2016 16:13:34


 


Its been garbage here.....ok dry(ish) but hardly any sun.......today we are say waiting for the sun but so far just cloudy skies, have to say the Beeb haven't been very good for this location .


 


A lot of attention has been on how poor its been for the East but MBY has suffered equally


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Welcome back Marcus. Good to see you back mate! 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
JACKO4EVER
05 June 2016 17:23:18
Marcus your posts are as crap as ever lol
JFF
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Good to see you back
cowman
05 June 2016 17:49:27

Marcus your posts are as crap as ever lol
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Good to see you back

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


+1

idj20
06 June 2016 08:37:23

I should imagine the various models will have their work cut out once the tropical system Colin filter itself into the Atlantic train later on down the line. And seems to be earlier than usual in the season (I think we usually get to see that kind of thing in mid-July onwards).


Folkestone Harbour. 
speckledjim
06 June 2016 14:05:47


I should imagine the various models will have their work cut out once the tropical system Colin filter itself into the Atlantic train later on down the line. And seems to be earlier than usual in the season (I think we usually get to see that kind of thing in mid-July onwards).


Originally Posted by: idj20 


I'm currently on the gulf coast in Florida, awaiting its arrival. Had some heavy rain overnight and a little thunder but the worst is expected later on this morning. 


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Frostbite80
06 June 2016 14:23:26
Not sure where to put this but there is just something surreal about it...........this is the 3rd day running with no sunspots now.

http://solarham.net/regions/map.htm 
Gandalf The White
06 June 2016 15:19:15

Not sure where to put this but there is just something surreal about it...........this is the 3rd day running with no sunspots now.

http://solarham.net/regions/map.htm


Originally Posted by: Frostbite80 

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Interesting - and I think it looks like 4 to me?


http://solarham.net/regions/june2016.htm


 


There's a thread ih the Climate Forum on the subject of solar cycles, if you're interested.


There is some evidence that low sunspot activity correlates with increased northern hemisphere blocking, leading to the potential for UK getting a more continental climate, i.e. warmer summers and colder winters.


 


 


 


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130 metres ASL
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idj20
06 June 2016 16:18:47


 


I'm currently on the gulf coast in Florida, awaiting its arrival. Had some heavy rain overnight and a little thunder but the worst is expected later on this morning. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 



Hope you are weathering that system with little problems, looks like the kind of thing we get to have most winters via a very active depression system.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Frostbite80
06 June 2016 17:18:09


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Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Interesting - and I think it looks like 4 to me?


http://solarham.net/regions/june2016.htm


 


There's a thread ih the Climate Forum on the subject of solar cycles, if you're interested.


There is some evidence that low sunspot activity correlates with increased northern hemisphere blocking, leading to the potential for UK getting a more continental climate, i.e. warmer summers and colder winters.


 


 


 


thanks for the heads up on that I will go have a look. I wonder how long it will be sustained for. Maybe we could hit solar minimum sooner than forecast......I guess anything is possible.

moomin75
06 June 2016 17:36:39

Dreadful mid term GFS. Looks like ECM was on the money last week as I hinted. The trough will become even semi permanent and lead to a very disappointing mid to late June. Cold wet and windy sums it up. Make the most of the next few days because I fear the warmth won't return until July.


I'd love to know why the models are almost invariably right and verify when  they show something crap in the FI  range but when they show something perfect they hardly ever verify. 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
LeedsLad123
06 June 2016 17:44:40


Dreadful mid term GFS. Looks like ECM was on the money last week as I hinted. The trough will become even semi permanent and lead to a very disappointing mid to late June. Cold wet and windy sums it up. Make the most of the next few days because I fear the warmth won't return until July.


I'd love to know why the models are almost invariably right and verify when  they show something crap in the FI  range but when they show something perfect they hardly ever verify. 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


The output you are seeing hasn't verified yet. 


But in any case, this is the UK - not Spain. High pressure is the default setting for a Spanish summer, but that isn't the case for us - our default setting is west or south west winds with occasional spells of rain. 


Not exactly hard to see why - Iberia in particular is almost always under the influence of the semi-permanent Azores high, while we are nearly always susceptible to low pressure systems with nothing to stop them.


Simply put, if it's extended heat and sun you want, our summers are completely crap and always have been. This is why retirees flock to Spain, Portugal and southern France. We occasionally get outstanding spells of summer weather like 1976, 1995 and 2006, but they are exceptional and remembered for a reason..


Not that I think summers here are dreadful or anything - but if you want endless sunny skies and temps in the mid-high 20s every day, you live in the wrong country. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Charmhills
06 June 2016 17:51:22


Dreadful mid term GFS. Looks like ECM was on the money last week as I hinted. The trough will become even semi permanent and lead to a very disappointing mid to late June. Cold wet and windy sums it up. Make the most of the next few days because I fear the warmth won't return until July.


I'd love to know why the models are almost invariably right and verify when  they show something crap in the FI  range but when they show something perfect they hardly ever verify. 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Met/o 12 is increasingly unsettled to.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


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moomin75
06 June 2016 18:00:55


 


The output you are seeing hasn't verified yet. 


But in any case, this is the UK - not Spain. High pressure is the default setting for a Spanish summer, but that isn't the case for us - our default setting is west or south west winds with occasional spells of rain. 


Not exactly hard to see why - Iberia in particular is almost always under the influence of the semi-permanent Azores high, while we are nearly always susceptible to low pressure systems with nothing to stop them.


Simply put, if it's extended heat and sun you want, our summers are completely crap and always have been. This is why retirees flock to Spain, Portugal and southern France. We occasionally get outstanding spells of summer weather like 1976, 1995 and 2006, but they are exceptional and remembered for a reason..


Not that I think summers here are dreadful or anything - but if you want endless sunny skies and temps in the mid-high 20s every day, you live in the wrong country. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

I do live in the wrong country yes but hopefully not for much longer.  I know these charts haven't verified but you can bet your life they will. Don't want endless spells of outstanding weather but a bit more than one day wonders wouldn't go a miss.


 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
bledur
06 June 2016 19:48:33

Outlook does not look too bad according to Met Office. A general  cooler unsettled spell coming up for mid June and then becoming a typical N. W. - S.E. split towards the end of June with hints of some hot weather for early July in the south and east. Not too bad considering we are getting some widespread warm weather this week as well.ThumpUp

Gavin D
06 June 2016 20:03:22


 The output you are seeing hasn't verified yet


But in any case, this is the UK - not Spain. High pressure is the default setting for a Spanish summer, but that isn't the case for us - our default setting is west or south west winds with occasional spells of rain. 


Not exactly hard to see why - Iberia in particular is almost always under the influence of the semi-permanent Azores high, while we are nearly always susceptible to low pressure systems with nothing to stop them.


Simply put, if it's extended heat and sun you want, our summers are completely crap and always have been. This is why retirees flock to Spain, Portugal and southern France. We occasionally get outstanding spells of summer weather like 1976, 1995 and 2006, but they are exceptional and remembered for a reason..


Not that I think summers here are dreadful or anything - but if you want endless sunny skies and temps in the mid-high 20s every day, you live in the wrong country. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Next week doesn't look pretty it must be said low pressure right over the UK and it will be slow moving



http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/36465658

moomin75
06 June 2016 21:09:54


 


Next week doesn't look pretty it must be said low pressure right over the UK and it will be slow moving



http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/36465658


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Indeed. Thought this might happen when ECM started the ball rolling on this upcoming unsettled and unseasonably cold spell. Let's face it it is going to be very miserable for 7-10 days based on what the models have firmed up on. July may bring improvement.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
moomin75
06 June 2016 21:11:03


Outlook does not look too bad according to Met Office. A general  cooler unsettled spell coming up for mid June and then becoming a typical N. W. - S.E. split towards the end of June with hints of some hot weather for early July in the south and east. Not too bad considering we are getting some widespread warm weather this week as well.ThumpUp


Originally Posted by: bledur 

Expect to see this changing markedly in the coming days.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
SJV
06 June 2016 21:17:43


Indeed. Thought this might happen when ECM started the ball rolling on this upcoming unsettled and unseasonably cold spell. Let's face it it is going to be very miserable for 7-10 days based on what the models have firmed up on. July may bring improvement.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Certainly returning to nearer average. I think bledur has summed it up well though, with nothing truly disastrous on the horizon. The SE shouldn't fare too badly, though the NW will see a marked change. Temperatures not far from average though and the Met Office still hinting at a decent end to the month in their long range outlook.


Oh, and 7-10 days leads us to mid June not July  I know you're keen to write June off but there isn't a forecast out there that suggests this month will be a cool washout (well maybe there's one) 

GIBBY
06 June 2016 21:30:42


 


The output you are seeing hasn't verified yet. 


But in any case, this is the UK - not Spain. High pressure is the default setting for a Spanish summer, but that isn't the case for us - our default setting is west or south west winds with occasional spells of rain. 


Not exactly hard to see why - Iberia in particular is almost always under the influence of the semi-permanent Azores high, while we are nearly always susceptible to low pressure systems with nothing to stop them.


Simply put, if it's extended heat and sun you want, our summers are completely crap and always have been. This is why retirees flock to Spain, Portugal and southern France. We occasionally get outstanding spells of summer weather like 1976, 1995 and 2006, but they are exceptional and remembered for a reason..


Not that I think summers here are dreadful or anything - but if you want endless sunny skies and temps in the mid-high 20s every day, you live in the wrong country. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


I can verify that the heat is on in Southern Spain alright. I'm in Fuengirola for a couple of weeks or so and its been 28C and cloudless here today. Sad to see it will likely be back to reality when I return back towards the end of the month.


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moomin75
06 June 2016 21:37:36


 


Certainly returning to nearer average. I think bledur has summed it up well though, with nothing truly disastrous on the horizon. The SE shouldn't fare too badly, though the NW will see a marked change. Temperatures not far from average though and the Met Office still hinting at a decent end to the month in their long range outlook.


Oh, and 7-10 days leads us to mid June not July  I know you're keen to write June off but there isn't a forecast out there that suggests this month will be a cool washout (well maybe there's one) 


Originally Posted by: SJV 

Yep 7-10 days takes us to mid-June but with the trough looking exceedingly slow moving it'll take a while to get out of this. Hence I think it'll more likely be later in June or early July before we see a pattern change. If indeed we do.


I am certainly not keen to write off June - but the first 4 days were a write off here  (didn't see the sun until yesterday) and after the briefest of warm ups you can write off at least one third more of it. And write off doesn't mean totally washout but there is no doubt that it'll be a poor first half of June at the very least. I remain convinced the whole of June will now be poor but hope  (and it is just hope) that July may offer something better.


Hints On this mornings ECM of an improvement after 10 days have been washed away tonight on the 12z.


 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
moomin75
06 June 2016 22:59:44

Back on topic. 18z GFS continues unabated and is unsettled throughout its entire 384 hours. That's 16 days of unrelenting crap which takes us into late June. I anticipate through Met Office long ranger will start subtly changing over the coming days.


Edit. In fact is shows rain or showers EVERY SINGLE day for the next 16 days. The last time I saw every day of a GFS showing that was, dare I say, 2007.


Shocking charts for summer.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
06 June 2016 23:49:12

It looks like a good few days more of this mixed warm sunny and showery weather, this week looks like ending on a cloudy not by Friday I would expect, clouds spread across with 1018 weak low by Thursday then we look at more effects of SW winds by Friday and very unsettled and turn overcast with rain by Saturday.


Yesterday Monday was very warm and fairly sunny with nice marble blue skies, more of this Tuesday and Wednesday, Tuesday looks like many local heavy thundery storm showers expected.


Active Low Pressure this Weekend and continues for Mon-Tuesday 13-14th June, by then near average June Mean Temps with much needed rain for those growing Summer Fruits and Veggies.


Activity in the West and Central North Atlantic and South to SE USA via the THC is packing quite a packaging of West to East systems (West and SW flow should be bringing near normal rain and temps for 11th to 14th June.  What happens beyond that is still open to Model Output swings or maybe Moomin75 will carry on with his enthusiastic and entertaining run of LRF success.  We can still hope for something different from last 2 weeks of June and the models at the moment the GFS can go to 384 but ECMWF goes to 240hrs, and I just want to hope that GFS starts to put it's week 3 and 4 of June in the coming 14 days to tease us with ECMWF should carry on like on it's own with it's head on front of GFS head at times.


This very South based Jetstream forecast from GFS and ECMWF with UKMO to 144 United with both still I can see that upto June 16th it looks very much a cool and very showery thundery and breezy windy and very overcast and some sunny breaks in limited occasions during this current last few days prediction - fairly deep Low Pressure over UK NW Europe, with thundery downpours it    does clearly look like very short settled dry sunny and warm June weather at all, a few days a few times in first two weeks of June.


Hopefully this Sept-November will bring about a better variety of conditions with some warm and sunny periods in September giving way to a variety of Low and High Pressure with some traditional cool windy wet spells followed by regular spells of average sunshine and showers with cool winds but bring some nice pleasantly average October temperatures and good sunny periods as well!.


I'd be happy with mix chilly with rain/ showers and a some chilly nights with some early and late air frosts by November, average temperatures CET mean and both mix of warm as well as colder conditions with plenty of changes from high to low pressure and to have several long spells of rain as well as colder day and nights with a fair number of frosts at night but with some pleasantly mild and sunny days/and refreshingly cool eerie evenings and nights rather than too many mild 24-72 hour periods when much boring grey cloudiness with no rain...😃🌞😊.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
KevBrads1
07 June 2016 05:34:18


 


he's trolling, surely if he wants to continually bang on about his predictions he should be using the other thread? wink 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


He? For some reason I always thought moomin was a she!


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moomin75
07 June 2016 05:39:10


 


He? For some reason I always thought moomin was a she!


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Twas my nickname from my schooldays Kevin as I resembled a big fat hippo. Come to think of it I still do. 😂😂😂


But I am definitely a he. 😃


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Tractor Boy
07 June 2016 07:31:53

Looks like going downhill after the weekend. The models seem to be in fair agreement that a trough will set up residence over the UK in the 10-day period.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif



OT (and this isn't the correct thread for making or critiquing forecasts), but Moomin was one of the few in early June 2007 to produce his "ark forecast" which went against the grain of other forecasts at the time. His presence in here at this time of the year always makes me feel uneasy.  


 


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors

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