Another horrible glass-like frost this morning and an awful low of -5C. Absolutely crap. Even today is a waste of a sunny day - all the sun does at this time of year is blinds you senseless and guarantees a miserably cold night. Save the sunshine for summer I say, where it isn't completely useless, or at least bring a mild and breezy weather type with it instead. Roll on some cloudier weather tomorrow...

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

So you would seriously prefer mild & breezy, (and in our part of the world that usually means cloudy and wet as well), to a nice frost followed by a crisp, sunny winter's day??

Originally Posted by: Col 

I have a feeling today will bring a rise in the "Winter is Over" type threads 

Originally Posted by: Jonesy 

This winter is shaping up to be a real bore - cold days, damp and dull. Today is just another example 1C and overcast. 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Probably the wrong thread but, aside from the lack of snow so far, this winter (and preceding Autumn) has been pretty good. Plenty of frosts, crisp clear days, fog, a lot of dry usable weather. A bit of the mundane cloudy crud but that's to be expected.

Still time for snow yet.

Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 

Probably the wrong thread but, aside from the lack of snow so far, this winter (and preceding Autumn) has been pretty good. Plenty of frosts, crisp clear days, fog, a lot of dry usable weather. A bit of the mundane cloudy crud but that's to be expected.

Still time for snow yet.

Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 

Were the cold, snowy winters of 08, 09 and 10 a figment of my imagination?

Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 

I think one of the major players in winter potential in this corner of the world is Atlantic temps. Winter really seems to have died a death since they have warmed in the last decade or 15 years or thereabouts. From my own experience, even during mild winters before then, we still could get quite a bit of snow at times, even from a westerly source. Real Atlantic storms (and I don't mean the watered down 'Barney' types)have virtually become extinct also since the Atlantic has warmed. For me, winter nowadays has just become an extension of summer, if just a little cooler (at times)

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

After yesterday’s nasty, grey, windy conditions, which were worse than the named storms produced in December, it was depressing as hell once again this morning. Grey with some sleety drizzle and a nasty chill in the air but nowhere near a frost again.  Min 2C, max 3C, grey, windy and damp. Could there be winter weather more repellent than this? Simply vile.

Last year the nightmare finally came to an end on 13th January. Just when the hell is this disgusting, dull and depressing extreme frost-free dross going to relent?

These two charts some up how dire the UK climate is. Look at how little rain there was for most in December http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/anomacts/2016/12/2016_12_Rainfall_Anomaly_1981-2010.gif 

Yet rain days were above average for the majority http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/anomacts/2016/12/2016_12_RainDays02_Anomaly_1981-2010.gif 

Not my idea of what a “dry” month should be like

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

Does that include the winter of 2014 which saw to 11 significant storm systems? After all, one of those took out a certain railway sea wall.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

Yes.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

I don`t mind the sunny frosty days but the overcast,dull drizzly days (3rd Jan and today) are really depressing. Anyone with suicidal tendencies couldn`t pick a better day to end it all.

Roll on Summer.

Originally Posted by: bradders 

I think one of the major players in winter potential in this corner of the world is Atlantic temps. Winter really seems to have died a death since they have warmed in the last decade or 15 years or thereabouts. From my own experience, even during mild winters before then, we still could get quite a bit of snow at times, even from a westerly source. Real Atlantic storms (and I don't mean the watered down 'Barney' types)have virtually become extinct also since the Atlantic has warmed. For me, winter nowadays has just become an extension of summer, if just a little cooler (at times)

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Not only is that counter intutitive, its absolute rubbish.  

And I would also question whether the Atlantic has warmed in recent years

Originally Posted by: Essan 

1. Nope, not rubbish. I've posted stats on such, from Valentia to Malin, more than once on this forum


2. Yes, it has. You can find data on such on the KNMI climate site. Again, I've already done so and posted the results on this very forum.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Ah, right. It doesnt occur in your back garden ergo it does not exist

Originally Posted by: Essan