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Saint Snow
23 February 2017 11:43:44


So winter goes out with a final 'kick in the teeth' as the snow promised for Cumbria today shifts a 100 miles north into Scotland leaving the County to enjoy another day of rain.


Oh well at least this pathetic excuse for a winter is nearly over and we won't have to chase dream FI charts any longer, instead I can get my life back and do something else.


Whether is GW or not winters in the UK have got disproportionately warmer compared to any other season over the last 30 years, it's a shame we haven't seen a similar rise in summer temperatures during the same period!


I thought the winters of the 1990's were bad but every winter of that decade had at least 4 days with lying snow here, but it looks like 2017 will the the third winter without ANY lying snow in the past 11 years! That is a remarkable set of snowless winters, Penrith has snowfall data going back to 1903 and until 2006 no winter in history had been totally snowless!


Other parts of the Country are equally affected, I fully understand Richard's frustration in Aberdeen, that used to be the snow Capital of the U.K. and home of the Polar Low but now snow is a rare luxury in a place just a few hundred miles from Norway!!


Its crap, crap, crap, 


Iam as mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore!


Andy 


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


One of the crappiest winters I can remember - no lying snow at all, and just the odd brief snowfall (which was actually most frequently graupel). I think what's made it feel worse is having the blocks for a good winter seemingly in place, and indeed having some great output at times, only for promising charts to evaporate a few days out.


One point I will take issue with you on is the comparison of winters in the 90's to the 00's/10's. I don't doubt what you say is absolutely the case for Cumbria, but IMBY, late 80's and 90's winters seemed much poorer than what we've had since 2000, when we seem to have had snow falling & sticking most years. Perhaps we've just been lucky (or perhaps I've just been taking more notice!). Obviously, we've had some snowless stinkers, too, but also quite a few good (10cm+) snowfalls.



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Andy Woodcock
23 February 2017 12:22:12


 


 


One of the crappiest winters I can remember - no lying snow at all, and just the odd brief snowfall (which was actually most frequently graupel). I think what's made it feel worse is having the blocks for a good winter seemingly in place, and indeed having some great output at times, only for promising charts to evaporate a few days out.


One point I will take issue with you on is the comparison of winters in the 90's to the 00's/10's. I don't doubt what you say is absolutely the case for Cumbria, but IMBY, late 80's and 90's winters seemed much poorer than what we've had since 2000, when we seem to have had snow falling & sticking most years. Perhaps we've just been lucky (or perhaps I've just been taking more notice!). Obviously, we've had some snowless stinkers, too, but also quite a few good (10cm+) snowfalls.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Dont get me wrong Saint winters of the 1990's weren't good but as I said all had at least 4 days with lying snow, but just look at my recents stats.


 


2012: 4 days


2013: 12 days (East Cumbria missed out massively that year)


2014: Nil


2015: 9 days


2016: 4 days


2017: Nil


The winter of 1992 was very similar to this year but I still had two 8cms snowfalls that covered the ground of 6 mornings.


I guess this winter coming so soon after the snowless winter of 2014 makes me feel hard done by.


Its pure pants mate!


Andy


 


 


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Saint Snow
23 February 2017 12:31:06


 


Dont get me wrong Saint winters of the 1990's weren't good but as I said all had at least 4 days with lying snow, but just look at my recents stats.


 


2012: 4 days


2013: 12 days (East Cumbria missed out massively that year)


2014: Nil


2015: 9 days


2016: 4 days


2017: Nil


The winter of 1992 was very similar to this year but I still had two 8cms snowfalls that covered the ground of 6 mornings.


I guess this winter coming so soon after the snowless winter of 2014 makes me feel hard done by.


Its pure pants mate!


Andy 


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


My recent years are probably little different to yours (except MBY was oddly in a sweet spot in 2013); I think the difference was that the 90's winters here were worse.




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Bolty
23 February 2017 14:03:15
Been a pretty good week for winter weather. 15°C+ on Monday and now a notable windstorm in this area today. If you ask me, this beats bloody horrid white crap by a country mile.
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tallyho_83
23 February 2017 15:16:11
Looks like quite a substantial amount of snow that fell over Scotland, - I saw some pics - but was it all wet snow and sleety rain or pure snow Richard & Mike?
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idj20
23 February 2017 15:54:02

The only thing that is preventing me from getting fed up with this wind (even though it's not that exceptional) is how it's coming with regular bursts of sunshine as well as drying everything up in double quick time.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Solar Cycles
23 February 2017 16:57:17
It's nearly over folks, the winter of empty promises and garden paths will soon be a distant memory of a truly forgetful winter of nothingness and mind numbingly boring weather. Surely the winter of 2017/18 couldn't be any worse, could it?🤐
doctormog
23 February 2017 17:00:01

Looks like quite a substantial amount of snow that fell over Scotland, - I saw some pics - but was it all wet snow and sleety rain or pure snow Richard & Mike?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 It rained here for much of the day but has cleared now. Inland Aberdeenshire and parts of S Scotland saw quite a bit earlier. 


No snow here at all as expected/forecast although I guess we may catch a few wintry showers later.


richardabdn
23 February 2017 18:06:23


So winter goes out with a final 'kick in the teeth' as the snow promised for Cumbria today shifts a 100 miles north into Scotland leaving the County to enjoy another day of rain.


Oh well at least this pathetic excuse for a winter is nearly over and we won't have to chase dream FI charts any longer, instead I can get my life back and do something else.


Whether is GW or not winters in the UK have got disproportionately warmer compared to any other season over the last 30 years, it's a shame we haven't seen a similar rise in summer temperatures during the same period!


I thought the winters of the 1990's were bad but every winter of that decade had at least 4 days with lying snow here, but it looks like 2017 will the the third winter without ANY lying snow in the past 11 years! That is a remarkable set of snowless winters, Penrith has snowfall data going back to 1903 and until 2006 no winter in history had been totally snowless!


Other parts of the Country are equally affected, I fully understand Richard's frustration in Aberdeen, that used to be the snow Capital of the U.K. and home of the Polar Low but now snow is a rare luxury in a place just a few hundred miles from Norway!!


Its crap, crap, crap, 


Iam as mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore!


Andy 


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Completely agree with this apart from the point about warmer winters as, despite the extreme lack of frost and snow, we are not seeing any more milder weather except during the night. Just shedloads of vile days like today with cold rain, grey skies, no frost and temperatures in the 2-6C range.


Lots of winter months since 2011 have returned average or below average temperatures e.g. Jan 11, Dec 11, Dec 14, Jan 15, Feb 16 but have produced almost no meaningful snow, or hard frosts, whereas plenty of mild/very mild winter months in the 90s and 2000s did deliver e.g. Feb 1999, Dec 2000, Dec 2001, Jan 2004, Feb 2004, Feb 2009. Even Feb 1998 was snowier than most of the dross in this decade courtesy of a northerly at the end of the month. Snowed most of the day on Saturday 28th Feb 1998 whereas I can’t think of a single winter day in the last four years where that has happened.

The most shocking thing about this winter is the lack of frost – just ten air frosts all winter which beggars belief considering that even 2013/14 chalked up 17 despite having relentless low pressure. It has been an utter write-off with only 1988/89 seeing a comparative lack of wintry weather in my lifetime but the conditions during that winter were nowhere near as downright vile and depressing as what we’ve had to endure this year particularly the weeks of mild gloom before Christmas and this utterly awful, dull and exceptionally wet February.

Easily the worst era for weather in recorded history. Worst ever run of summers with 9 out of the last 10 wetter than average and worst run of winters with 7 out of 11 having below average snow. Given the average of around 18 days lying even most below average winters should still have one reasonable snow event but pretty much all of those seven have fallen well short of average, failing to produce more than transitory dustings of under 5cm. 06/07, 07/08, 11/12, 13/14 and this winter all had under 10 days of snow lying whereas this should be a 1in 5 event.

Never has the climate ever been more like an eternal autumn and that is a fact not an opinion


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tallyho_83
23 February 2017 18:42:54
Yet watching the BBC forecast it did show snow for a wide area of Scotland and central and southern belt including Glasgow and Edinburgh - Obviously they both missed out, including Aberdeen. - Must have been so close to the rain /s/now line? what was it? 2c with heavy rain? any hits of wet snow like large splodges of flakes falling fast and full of water?
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Crepuscular Ray
23 February 2017 18:57:56
Wet snow for 6 hours here at 80m but not settling much. 2cm at 100m (Fairmilehead), 10cm at 200m (Penicuik) and 20cm at 300m (Carlops)
Further north in central Scotland heavy snow fell to low levels
Jerry
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Tom Oxon
24 February 2017 01:15:28

I think if the winter could be summed up, it would be 'close, but no cigar'.


We need a GH to produce nationwide  cold, and I don't think I saw one of those this winter.


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snow 2004
26 February 2017 19:23:46
Reykjavik had half a metre of snow yesterday which one of their highest ever totals. Here's me wondering if we'll manage a dusting on the windscreen overnight Monday/Tuesday.
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Gusty
26 February 2017 22:39:26

Winter has really gone out with a whimper here.


A check of my stats revealed that February did not fall below 0c at all. 


The lowest temperature of 0.4c occurred twice this month. The first time was during the light snowfall back on the 11th, the second time early on the 25th under clear skies and a PM airmass.


 


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ARTzeman
27 February 2017 10:19:38

Not enough snow this month to help winter along. Only TWO days.   Just one day with low below zero .-0.3 on the 10th.   






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Others just get wet.
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Sinky1970
27 February 2017 10:24:52
It may of been posted before (i apologize if it has), but the daft thing is that Spain, Italy and Greece have had far more of the white stuff than we have, and in three month's time our weather will be exactly the same (if only a couple of degrees warmer or should it be milder), and they will be basking in sunshine and decent temperatures.
richardabdn
27 February 2017 22:28:09

This sick joke of a climate strikes gold once again with its toxic poison. After enduring yet more vile, unpleasantly wet write-off weekend weather yesterday - another 6mm - the sun shone most of today from a brilliant blue sky  

While February 2016 was about the best a winter month with virtually no snow could be, this has undoubtedly been the worst. Frost-free, wet and dull with the shortage of sunshine exclusively as a result of utterly grim and depressing weekend weather. Absolutely nothing going for it at all. Just another month that, like so many in the past 2 years, has what seems like a small sunshine deficit but when that deficit is entirely due to poor weekends it’s not a minor issue at all.

So little decent weekend weather since I came back from Cyprus on 12th November that I have probably seen less sunshine in that 3 ½ months than I did in the 2 weeks I was there. Like living in a dark, damp depressing cave


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Retron
28 February 2017 04:36:32


I think if the winter could be summed up, it would be 'close, but no cigar'.


We need a GH to produce nationwide  cold, and I don't think I saw one of those this winter.


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


Nope, a proper easterly will do a better job than a GH in terms of bringing nationwide double digit negative 850s. You'd be forgiven for forgetting that, though, considering the last one was 21 years ago (and longer than that for a textbook example).


Surely the drought of decent winter weather has to end soon, doesn't it? Roll on winter 2017/8!


 


 


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ARTzeman
28 February 2017 09:23:15

Moaning because it is the last day of Metrological Winter. Bring on the Spring Snow...






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Others just get wet.
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Maunder Minimum
28 February 2017 09:26:53
Another winter has passed us by in Worcestershire, without a single day of falling snow, let alone, lying snow.
Sickening! (Although Clee Hill in the distance is snow topped right now, for the first time for a couple of years).
New world order coming.
idj20
28 February 2017 11:24:00


Moaning because it is the last day of Metrological Winter. Bring on the Spring Snow...


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 



Northern hemisphere be like; "Oh, hello UK, is it Spring time already? Here, have this nice long lasting northern blocking set up".


Folkestone Harbour. 
AFC Snow
28 February 2017 11:53:23


 


Nope, a proper easterly will do a better job than a GH in terms of bringing nationwide double digit negative 850s. You'd be forgiven for forgetting that, though, considering the last one was 21 years ago (and longer than that for a textbook example).


Surely the drought of decent winter weather has to end soon, doesn't it? Roll on winter 2017/8!


 


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Not sure I agree with that. A Greenland High is much better for bringing in prolonged deep cold for northern areas. Easterlies are only really good for the South East.

tallyho_83
28 February 2017 12:37:32
Very inaccurate forecasts re the temperatures - yesterday high was due to be +5c by 15:00 when in actual fact it was +10.5c. Today they forecasted a high of +8c to +9c and it's already +11.5c! They also said there would also be some showers around when it's been sunny and partly cloudy.
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Saint Snow
28 February 2017 15:07:15

Seeing snow falling heavily as I was driving into work, watching it quickly begin to stick... magical.


And then it all melts within a couple of hours.



Still, the thick falling snow was a good reminder of just why I love snow so much. Just a pity we can't have a Jan 10 every winter!


 



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Essan
28 February 2017 15:20:29

I thought winter ended weeks ago?    Felt like it .....


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