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Edicius81


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Haven't spotted this link in here yet... Big tongue of sub 5c temps across the north sea
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reursst.gif
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gibbon


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others have commented recently on the increasing likelihood of continued low temperatures in eastern europe. The last few days of model output seem to provide strong agreement on this, so it's interesting to zero in the baltic sea. Looking at current sea temperatures:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsdivka.html
and sea ice
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/
(then go to web based GIS server )
you'll see that the lower half of the gulf of bothnia is close to a freeze, and there is considerable ice in the gulf of finland and the gulf of riga. Also a surprisingly large patch on the west coast of sweden, linking up with denmark (!) In 2003 there was great excitement in the media about the baltic sea ice (most since 1948 I remember reading) but looking at the archive images on the noaa site suggests that this year could easily eclipse 2003 in the baltic if the current model output verifies....(2003 was more severe in the barents sea area though)
something to watch...it might not be a continued snowfest here, but always nice to see unusual cold events elsewhere!
dave in frenchay , north east bristol
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PK2


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gibbon:you'll see that the lower half of the gulf of bothnia is close to a freeze, and there is considerable ice in the gulf of finland and the gulf of riga. Also a surprisingly large patch on the west coast of sweden, linking up with denmark (!) In 2003 there was great excitement in the media about the baltic sea ice (most since 1948 I remember reading) but looking at the archive images on the noaa site suggests that this year could easily eclipse 2003 in the baltic if the current model output verifies....(2003 was more severe in the barents sea area though)
Hmm there's a Baltic sea ice thread in the forum too. Perhaps I'll try asking about this here. Just over a week ago I noticed that the Baltic ice in the Gulf of Bothnia had reduced in area compared to the previous week. Anyone any ideas? I know there had been some "milder" weather up there, indeed it's still milder in the north than the south, but I hadn't thought it had been so mild. It's frozen up again now and much more similar, in area if not thickness, to "normal" 
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Retron


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PK2:Just over a week ago I noticed that the Baltic ice in the Gulf of Bothnia had reduced in area compared to the previous week. Anyone any ideas? The ice up there was generally rather thin/sparse and as a result it didn't take much of a wind to cause it to float across and "bunch up" towards the coast. Subsequently winds dropped and the process of freezing started again in the (now) open sea. Even today the ice over much of the Gulf is open ice rather than closed ice, so ice-free areas could crop up again in the days to come if there's enough wind. http://www.itameriportaali.fi/html/icef/jaakartta.pdf gives all the nitty-gritty details.
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rml


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Gandalf The White


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rml: If the forecast very cold easterly does kick in next week I would think there is a good chance of seeing some sea ice around the coasts from Denmark down to Belgium - possibly even The Wash, which is down to just below 2C as per this chart:
http://www.bsh.de/aktdat/mk/nordsee/actual.gif I think sea ice off our coasts defines a severe protracted cold spell and it is quite rare.
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AIMSIR


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Gandalf The White:
If the forecast very cold easterly does kick in next week I would think there is a good chance of seeing some sea ice around the coasts from Denmark down to Belgium - possibly even The Wash, which is down to just below 2C as per this chart:
http://www.bsh.de/aktdat/mk/nordsee/actual.gif
I think sea ice off our coasts defines a severe protracted cold spell and it is quite rare.
Interesting senario old chap.Especially if the winds are light.  -1.8c would be required for such to happen.( not too far away )
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PK2


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Retron: PK2:Just over a week ago I noticed that the Baltic ice in the Gulf of Bothnia had reduced in area compared to the previous week. Anyone any ideas? The ice up there was generally rather thin/sparse and as a result it didn't take much of a wind to cause it to float across and "bunch up" towards the coast. Subsequently winds dropped and the process of freezing started again in the (now) open sea. Even today the ice over much of the Gulf is open ice rather than closed ice, so ice-free areas could crop up again in the days to come if there's enough wind. http://www.itameriportaali.fi/html/icef/jaakartta.pdf gives all the nitty-gritty details.
just noticed this. Thanks Retron
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Gandalf The White


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Bump....
Latest North Sea SSTs:
http://www.bsh.de/aktdat/mk/nordsee/actual.gif
Much of the southern North Sea is now around or below 5C.
I'm always interested to see the effect of the Gulf Stream pushing the warmer tongue of water around the top of Scotland and down into the northern North Sea. Similar effect pushing up the Channel, which has cooled markedly in recent weeks.
The mitigating effect of SSTs on the coming cold spell will be rather less than 2-3 weeks ago.
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SEMerc


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Gandalf The White:Bump....
Latest North Sea SSTs:
http://www.bsh.de/aktdat/mk/nordsee/actual.gif
Much of the southern North Sea is now around or below 5C.
I'm always interested to see the effect of the Gulf Stream pushing the warmer tongue of water around the top of Scotland and down into the northern North Sea. Similar effect pushing up the Channel, which has cooled markedly in recent weeks.
The mitigating effect of SSTs on the coming cold spell will be rather less than 2-3 weeks ago. Yep, the dikes look pretty frigid.
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rml


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Now showing 0C in the very east of the chart
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack5.html
Not long to go until we might see ice to our east as they are surely going to get very cold temperatures around there in the next week or so. Of coarse what we really could do with is ice from the UK all the way to Denmark then we could get some really cold easterlies
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Michael


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From a coastal eastern location it is very nice to see negative SST anomalies for the entire North Sea. 
If we do get a prolonged cold spell it would not surprise me to see a little coastal sea ice in more southern locations.
Michael, Aberdeen
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Dougie


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The Sandettie Lightship situated mid English Channel shows SST dipping under 7°c for the first time this winter, its currently 6.9°c.
Dougie Howay the lads.
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