Polar bears might be affected because the arctic will get more noisy.
How terrible. Maybe someone should set up a grant funded study?
Oh they have...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7638172.stm

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

four:

 Polar bears might be affected because the arctic will get more noisy.
How terrible. Maybe someone should set up a grant funded study?
Oh they have...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7638172.stm

HA HA HA  At least those still cluctching at straws can provide us with some light entertanment this did make me laugh, however on a serious note the fact that money is being spent on this when people are in poverty

four:

 Polar bears might be affected because the arctic will get more noisy.
How terrible. Maybe someone should set up a grant funded study?
Oh they have...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7638172.stm

 Well, to be afir, there are probably 1001 even more ridiculous seeming pieces of research being carried out by universities around the world.

This simply gets a mention because there's a tenuous link to arctic ice melting.

I noticed they made no mention of damage to polar bears' eardrums caused by firing rifles to scare them away from human settlements - something which we've been doing since the Little Ice Age ......   But maybe they should look into that?  Maybe that's why polar bear numbers are declining? 

Essan:

 Well, to be afir, there are probably 1001 even more ridiculous seeming pieces of research being carried out by universities around the world.

 

This simply gets a mention because there's a tenuous link to arctic ice melting.

I noticed they made no mention of damage to polar bears' eardrums caused by firing rifles to scare them away from human settlements - something which we've been doing since the Little Ice Age ......   But maybe they should look into that?  Maybe that's why polar bear numbers are declining? 

Essan:

 Well, to be afir, there are probably 1001 even more ridiculous seeming pieces of research being carried out by universities around the world.

This is my favourite place for such things

http://improbable.com/

Sadly, McIntyre doesn't feature there because he doesn't publish (frightened of peer review) and Lomborg doesn't get in because he's not funny enough.

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I certainly don't think that Global Warming/ Climate Change will be the foremost things in the minds of the general public right now; as you say we are in the middle of something of a financial crisis and many people are very concerned about their jobs, savings etc.

David M Porter:

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I certainly don't think that Global Warming/ Climate Change will be the foremost things in the minds of the general public right now; as you say we are in the middle of something of a financial crisis and many people are very concerned about their jobs, savings etc.

Would you'd say that describing people as 'gaia wingnuts' is the kind of behaviour that is totally unprofessional not to mention a bit childish.  People would have more respect from other people if they refrained from making comments like that don't you think?

Or perhaps only the behaviour of the Met Office is open to that kind of criticism?

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I have no idea about the research being described here but I suppose this is the sort of comment standard of comment one might expect from i***s who know they are wrong and trying to clutch at straws.

TomC:

standard of comment one might expect from i***s who know they are wrong and trying to clutch at straws.

Or simply tinfoil hat failure.

Devonian:

David M Porter:

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I certainly don't think that Global Warming/ Climate Change will be the foremost things in the minds of the general public right now; as you say we are in the middle of something of a financial crisis and many people are very concerned about their jobs, savings etc.

 

Would you'd say that describing people as 'gaia wingnuts' is the kind of behaviour that is totally unprofessional not to mention a bit childish.  People would have more respect from other people if they refrained from making comments like that don't you think?

Or perhaps only the behaviour of the Met Office is open to that kind of criticism?

Please don't patronise me Devonian.

Look, I certainly wouldn't use the kind of words that Pingo used in his post that I quoted, but what I or anyone else thinks about Climate Change isn't the point I was making. What I said was that I don't think the whole issue of Global Warming, Climate Change or whatever one wants to call it will be the main thing on the minds of most people right now. Put it this way: If I was in a position where I knew that I could lose my job any day soon and me & my family could face possible financial hardship as a result, do you really think I would be giving a hoot about GW? 

In July last year I was an extremely unwell person in hospital (was in for almost two weeks), and I can recall watching some of the Live Earth concert that was held at Wembley on TV (bands such as Duran Duran played at it). I remember sitting there thinking "I know the message that you are trying to get across, but I'm afraid that Climate Change is not exactly the foremost thing on my mind right now given the state I'm in". I am not dismissive of AGW in the way that some people here are, however I am prepared to keep an open mind about the issue. People such as Tom have every right to hold their views, but so does everyone else that contributes here, provided that they express them in a mature and adult fashion and don't decry other people's opinions. Tom often says that those who doubt AGW are wrong and that very may well be the case, however we live in a democracy and therefore any person should be allowed a say on the issue without being put down by anyone, regardless of whether they accept AGW or not.

Sorry, rant over.    

David M Porter:

Devonian:

David M Porter:

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I certainly don't think that Global Warming/ Climate Change will be the foremost things in the minds of the general public right now; as you say we are in the middle of something of a financial crisis and many people are very concerned about their jobs, savings etc.

 

Would you'd say that describing people as 'gaia wingnuts' is the kind of behaviour that is totally unprofessional not to mention a bit childish.  People would have more respect from other people if they refrained from making comments like that don't you think?

Or perhaps only the behaviour of the Met Office is open to that kind of criticism?

Please don't patronise me Devonian.

Look, I certainly wouldn't use the kind of words that Pingo used in his post that I quoted, but what I or anyone else thinks about Climate Change isn't the point I was making. What I said was that I don't think the whole issue of Global Warming, Climate Change or whatever one wants to call it will be the main thing on the minds of most people right now. Put it this way: If I was in a position where I knew that I could lose my job any day soon and me & my family could face possible financial hardship as a result, do you really think I would be giving a hoot about GW? 

In July last year I was an extremely unwell person in hospital (was in for almost two weeks), and I can recall watching some of the Live Earth concert that was held at Wembley on TV (bands such as Duran Duran played at it). I remember sitting there thinking "I know the message that you are trying to get across, but I'm afraid that Climate Change is not exactly the foremost thing on my mind right now given the state I'm in". I am not dismissive of AGW in the way that some people here are, however I am prepared to keep an open mind about the issue. People such as Tom have every right to hold their views, but so does everyone else that contributes here, provided that they express them in a mature and adult fashion and don't decry other people's opinions. Tom often says that those who doubt AGW are wrong and that very may well be the case, however we live in a democracy and therefore any person should be allowed a say on the issue without being put down by anyone, regardless of whether they accept AGW or not.

Sorry, rant over.    

Good, and I'm not patronising you, more making a point. I am amazed by the kind of bruhaha that the Met Office got for usuing the words head and sand while those same people go very quite when much more blatant insults are used  .

I don't think descriptions like 'gaia wingnuts' are a mature or adult way to behave but simply aimed to provoke and offend. I wish a few more people seemed to notice that and object ather than get worked up by words like head and sand...

Devonian:

David M Porter:

Devonian:

David M Porter:

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I certainly don't think that Global Warming/ Climate Change will be the foremost things in the minds of the general public right now; as you say we are in the middle of something of a financial crisis and many people are very concerned about their jobs, savings etc.

 

Would you'd say that describing people as 'gaia wingnuts' is the kind of behaviour that is totally unprofessional not to mention a bit childish.  People would have more respect from other people if they refrained from making comments like that don't you think?

Or perhaps only the behaviour of the Met Office is open to that kind of criticism?

Please don't patronise me Devonian.

Look, I certainly wouldn't use the kind of words that Pingo used in his post that I quoted, but what I or anyone else thinks about Climate Change isn't the point I was making. What I said was that I don't think the whole issue of Global Warming, Climate Change or whatever one wants to call it will be the main thing on the minds of most people right now. Put it this way: If I was in a position where I knew that I could lose my job any day soon and me & my family could face possible financial hardship as a result, do you really think I would be giving a hoot about GW? 

In July last year I was an extremely unwell person in hospital (was in for almost two weeks), and I can recall watching some of the Live Earth concert that was held at Wembley on TV (bands such as Duran Duran played at it). I remember sitting there thinking "I know the message that you are trying to get across, but I'm afraid that Climate Change is not exactly the foremost thing on my mind right now given the state I'm in". I am not dismissive of AGW in the way that some people here are, however I am prepared to keep an open mind about the issue. People such as Tom have every right to hold their views, but so does everyone else that contributes here, provided that they express them in a mature and adult fashion and don't decry other people's opinions. Tom often says that those who doubt AGW are wrong and that very may well be the case, however we live in a democracy and therefore any person should be allowed a say on the issue without being put down by anyone, regardless of whether they accept AGW or not.

Sorry, rant over.    

 

Good, and I'm not patronising you, more making a point. I am amazed by the kind of brouhaha that the Met Office got for using the words head and sand while those same people go very quite when much more blatant insults are used  .

I don't think descriptions like 'gaia wingnuts' are a mature or adult way to behave but simply aimed to provoke and offend. I wish a few more people seemed to notice that and object other than get worked up by words like head and sand...

Devonian:

David M Porter:

Devonian:

David M Porter:

Pingo:

Well with temperatures falling, the ocean cooling, Arctic ice expanding, there's very little factual climate stuff they can continue to report in the usual alarmist fashion. Hence we get this ridiculous tripe just to keep the drip-drip continue. Unbelievable that b******s like this is getting funded when we have hundreds of thousands in child poverty and the current financial problems we have. Still I'm sure some Gaia wingnut will try to defend it as essential.

I certainly don't think that Global Warming/ Climate Change will be the foremost things in the minds of the general public right now; as you say we are in the middle of something of a financial crisis and many people are very concerned about their jobs, savings etc.

 

Would you'd say that describing people as 'gaia wingnuts' is the kind of behaviour that is totally unprofessional not to mention a bit childish.  People would have more respect from other people if they refrained from making comments like that don't you think?

Or perhaps only the behaviour of the Met Office is open to that kind of criticism?

Please don't patronise me Devonian.

Look, I certainly wouldn't use the kind of words that Pingo used in his post that I quoted, but what I or anyone else thinks about Climate Change isn't the point I was making. What I said was that I don't think the whole issue of Global Warming, Climate Change or whatever one wants to call it will be the main thing on the minds of most people right now. Put it this way: If I was in a position where I knew that I could lose my job any day soon and me & my family could face possible financial hardship as a result, do you really think I would be giving a hoot about GW? 

In July last year I was an extremely unwell person in hospital (was in for almost two weeks), and I can recall watching some of the Live Earth concert that was held at Wembley on TV (bands such as Duran Duran played at it). I remember sitting there thinking "I know the message that you are trying to get across, but I'm afraid that Climate Change is not exactly the foremost thing on my mind right now given the state I'm in". I am not dismissive of AGW in the way that some people here are, however I am prepared to keep an open mind about the issue. People such as Tom have every right to hold their views, but so does everyone else that contributes here, provided that they express them in a mature and adult fashion and don't decry other people's opinions. Tom often says that those who doubt AGW are wrong and that very may well be the case, however we live in a democracy and therefore any person should be allowed a say on the issue without being put down by anyone, regardless of whether they accept AGW or not.

Sorry, rant over.    

 

Good, and I'm not patronising you, more making a point. I am amazed by the kind of bruhaha that the Met Office got for usuing the words head and sand while those same people go very quite when much more blatant insults are used  .

I don't think descriptions like 'gaia wingnuts' are a mature or adult way to behave but simply aimed to provoke and offend. I wish a few more people seemed to notice that and object ather than get worked up by words like head and sand...

Hi,

I'm sorry that I accused you of patronising me; I was just looking at what you said in your previous post and thought that some of the words used were rather similar to a post that I made on the "Global Warming Goes On" thread the other day.

I fully understand the point you make about the reaction of some people to the phrase "head in the sand". Perhaps the reaction was a bit OTT in some ways, but what I will say about it is this. If I had been working in the Met Office's press department and I had been given the job of putting that article together, I myself would have refrained from using that particular phrase. The point that some people made on the other thread was that phrases like that would be more appropriate for the likes of a website blog. The other thing is, I can only assume that the Met Office themselves realised that perhaps they jumped the gun a bit by using that phrase, given that they later removed it from the article (one member of this website did complain to them which probably explains in part why it was removed.) Having said all that, I totally accept what you say about it being odd that many people don't say anything when much more blatant insults are thrown about. You only have to look at some of the words that Pingo used in his post earlier; there is no way I would use the B-word on here under any circumstances, and as you say the phrase "gaia wingnuts" was just as uncalled for.