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Col
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15 September 2018 11:15:41


 


 


Sounds perfect with my guess of 14.45C  


Originally Posted by: Jerry P 


I need a significant heatwave at some point for my guess of 15.5C. And by the looks of it, that's not out of the question.


 


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ARTzeman
15 September 2018 11:35:49

Met Office Hadley     14.7c.      Anomaly     0.8c. provisional to 14th.


Metcheck                  14.50c     Anomaly      0.78c


Netweather               15.12c     Anomaly      1.43c


Alton                         14.5c      Anomaly      0.76c


Canvey Island            16.1c      Anomaly      0.3c


Cheadle Hulme           14.6c     Anomaly       0.56c


Clevedon Weather       16.4c     Anomaly       0.28c


Darwen                      14.6c     Anomaly       0.58c


Hexam                       13.6c     Anomaly       0.44c


Mount Sorrel               14.5c     Anomaly       2,25c


Mansfield Woodhouse   14.4c     Anomaly       0.62c


Peasedown St John      15.1c     Anomaly       0.13c


Treviskey Redruth        15.3c     Anomaly       0.56c


 


2 Up  1 Steady  7 Down today.


Mean Of My 10 Watched Stations  14.91c                                   






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Bertwhistle
15 September 2018 19:20:09

My 14.72 guess may be too low, if the heat ramps up, but I'm still happy with it ATM.


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Gavin P
15 September 2018 23:12:02

I'm still completely unsure where this September's CET is going to finish up! After a warm first half to the week latest models now lot a LOT cooler for second half of the coming week and next weekend.


Think a 14's finish is most likely now but not certain of anything...


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Caz
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16 September 2018 04:32:44

I’m still hopeful that my 15c guess isn’t much too high. 


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ARTzeman
16 September 2018 10:29:47

Met Office Hadley        14.6c       Anomaly   0.4c. Provisional to 15th.


Metcheck                     14.55c     Anomaly   0.82c


Netweather                  15.09c     Anomaly   1.4c


Alton                            14.6c      Anomaly   0.66c


Hexam                          13.8c     Anomaly   0.64c


Mansfield Woodhouse 14.4c    Anomaly   0.62c


Peasedown St John  15.16c. Anomaly 0.19c.


 


1 down TWO steady  7 up.


Mean of 10 stations 14.97c.          






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ARTzeman
17 September 2018 10:03:43

Met Office Hadley     14.8c    Anomaly    0.6c. Provisional to16th


Metcheck                  14.71c   Anomaly    0.99c


Netweather               15.19c   Anomaly    1.5c


Hexam                      13.8c    Anomaly     0.64c


Mansfield Woodhouse 14.7c   Anomaly  0.92c


Peasedown St John 15.18c   Anomaly   0.21c


Mean of My 10 Stations 15.06c. 


 






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Global Warming
17 September 2018 15:13:38

My latest estimate has the CET finishing at 14.15C. So very close to the 1981-2010 mean. A real mix of warm and cool days this month which cancel each other out.


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ARTzeman
18 September 2018 10:28:16

Met Office Hadley       14.9c.   Anomaly   0.8c. Provisional to 17th


Metcheck                    14.73c  Anomaly   1.21c


Netweather                 15.39c  Anomaly   1.7c


Mansfield Woodhouse 14.9c   Anomaly   1.12c


Peasedown St John 15.31c.   Anomaly  0.34c.


 


Al stations Up Today. Man of my 10 watched stations  15.26c.   






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Global Warming
18 September 2018 10:44:37

Sorry for the delay. Here is the list of September predictions


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TABLE

ARTzeman
18 September 2018 10:57:25

Thanks for the Table GW. Just Altered my Zoom to 175 and then took a print screen tapping prnt sc and  Widows logo....






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Gavin P
18 September 2018 13:22:36


My latest estimate has the CET finishing at 14.15C. So very close to the 1981-2010 mean. A real mix of warm and cool days this month which cancel each other out.


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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Thanks GW!


So we should just about manage to scrape a 14's finish but it's not completely out of the question that we might end up in the upper 13's? 


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Stormchaser
18 September 2018 13:51:05


Thanks GW!


So we should just about manage to scrape a 14's finish but it's not completely out of the question that we might end up in the upper 13's? 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


GFS 06z gives me an estimate of 13.9*C for the final CET so yes, it's on the table, as I feared might happen if high pressure took too long to move across the UK next week to the N sea position that looks increasingly favoured by the tropical signals as next week progresses.


ECM's a little faster and further with the eastward drift so temps finish in the mid-14s by my estimate.


 


It'll all come down to how quickly the eastward-propagating tropical cycle can get going. The past 5 weeks have seen delay after delay so I'm not very confident and at the moment anticipate that Darren S' extraordinary run of CET-based good fortune is more likely to continue.


I'm glad I knocked my estimate down from what it could have been; model data alone indicated a CET in the mid-high 15s to be the best bet! 


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Gavin P
18 September 2018 16:29:47

Thanks Sc! 


Can't believe we could go 10 years without a 14C CET September if September 2018 lets us down! 


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Bertwhistle
18 September 2018 16:42:40

Thanks GW; interesting that even at month's start, noone was prepared to stick their neck out for a 16!


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Ally Pally Snowman
18 September 2018 16:53:18

Darren S must have a time machine amazing consistency. 


 


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Caz
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18 September 2018 18:25:14

Cheers GW!  


Yes, Darren S has done consistently well and I should be worried that he’s gone 0.8c lower than me!   


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Caz
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18 September 2018 18:27:13


Thanks Sc! 


Can't believe we could go 10 years without a 14C CET September if September 2018 lets us down! 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Gav, nothing should surprise you about the weather in 2018!  It’s thrown everything at us!  


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Gusty
18 September 2018 19:28:04

Thanks GW.


I'm Darren's closest challenger but cannot gain ground of him.


He is like a sportsman commanding the 'T' in a game of squash ! 


The reasoning for my low prediction (13.62c) was my expectation of higher than usual PM incursions with HP out west. If it wasn't for these ex hurricanes chucking warm air into the mix I would be doing just fine ! 


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Darren S
18 September 2018 22:19:38


Darren S must have a time machine amazing consistency. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


 Hi everyone. You should see how much snow we get in January 2065! 


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Caz
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19 September 2018 03:19:31


 Hi everyone. You should see how much snow we get in January 2065! 


Originally Posted by: Darren S 

  Too bad I won’t be around by then to experience it!  But I’ll warn my grandchildren!  


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ARTzeman
19 September 2018 10:08:45

Met Office Hadley   15.1c   Anomaly   0.9c. Provisional to 18th.


Metcheck                15.08c  Anomaly  1.36c


Netweather             15.57c  Anomaly  1.88c


Hexam                    14.1c   Anomaly   0.94c


Mansfield Woodhouse 15.0c Anomaly 1.22c


Peasedown St John 15.41c Anomaly 0.44c


Treviskey Redruth   15,7c  Anomaly  0.96c.


       


TWO Steady. 8 Up


Mean Of My Watched 10 Stations     15.40c.






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Gavin P
19 September 2018 16:01:44


Gav, nothing should surprise you about the weather in 2018!  It’s thrown everything at us!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


That's true Caz!


Think 2018 will stick in the memory for a while! 


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ARTzeman
20 September 2018 11:22:39

Met Office Hadley    15.02c.    Anomaly   1.1c. Provisional to 19th.


Metcheck                 15.09c     Anomaly    1.37c


Netweather              15.67c     Anomaly    1.98c


Cheadle Hume          14.9c      Anomaly     0.86c


Darwen                    14.9c      Anomaly    -0.29c   using 5 year average


Hexam                     14.0c      Anomaly     0.84c


Mansfield Woodhouse 15.3c    Anomaly   1.52c


Peasedown St John 15.49c.   Anomaly   o,52c.


TWO steady  Three down  5 up


Mean of my 10 watched stations   15. 43c.          






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Global Warming
21 September 2018 08:58:14

Well I hope everyone made the most of the reasonably warm conditions this week, at least here in the south. Although the wind did temper that a bit. A major change has taken place overnight in the airmass that is affecting the CET area. We are in a much cooler regime now and will stay that way for the rest of the month. The warm dew points will briefly return to the far south on Sunday as the next major Atlantic low moves across, but you won't really notice that due to the wind and rain.


A substantial fall is expected in the CET for the final 10 days of the month with every day being below average. Indeed Monday and Tuesday look like returning a single figure CET mean. Grass frost will be widespread next week across the UK with air frost likely over the highest ground in the north and in frost hollows. The flip side of that is their will lots of dry, sunny weather with relatively light winds. So it should feel fairly pleasant by day even though temperatures will be lower than of late.


The CET is now expected to finish at 13.70C which is in line with the 1971-2000 mean and quite a bit below the 1981-2010 mean. So the first cool month for a while.


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The current CET estimate for the final 10 days of September is 10.90C. That is not especially cold but is much cooler than we have typically seen in recent years. The 1981-2010 mean for the final 10 days is 13.13C. So if the current estimates verify it would be 2.23C below average.


The last time we had such a cold end to September was actually only a few years ago in 2012 when the CET was 10.82C.


It is worth looking at some analogues here. A cold finish to September has often been the prelude to a cool / cold Autumn and some cold weather in the winter.


2012 late Sept CET 10.82C. Oct was cold, Nov and Dec average and then Jan-May 2013 was a very cold period with of course the infamous March.


1993 late Sept CET 10.71C. Oct and Nov were both cold as was the following February. Dec average and January mild.


1974 late Sep CET 9.41C. Oct was also very cold but Nov was average and then Dec and Jan were very mild. But March turned cold again.


1954 late Sep CET 10.62C. Oct and Dec were very mild. But Jan to Mar was a very cold period.


1952 late Sep CET 10.61C. Oct - Dec was a very cold period. Jan also cold and March also below average


1943 late Sep CET 10.40C. Dec was cold but otherwise no significant cold weather followed Sept.


1940 late Sep CET 10.49C. The following Dec through to May was an extended period of very cold weather.


1932 late Sep CET 9.64C. October was cold as was January but otherwise fairly average


1931 late Sep CET 10.83C. Feb was cool but no other month


1928 late Sep CET 9.45C. Dec-Feb was a very cold winter. CET never got above 2.1C in any of those winter months


1927 late Sep CET 10.40C. Cold Dec was the only notable cold month.


1926 late Sep CET 10.38C. No significant cold weather.


I could keep going as there were quite a lot of years with cold ends to September in the early 1900s. Although not so many of these were followed by significant cold periods.


Worth also noting that none of the years above had a hot summer. The warmest summer of any of these years was 15.7C which is bang on the 1971-2000 average. So we have not had a hot summer followed by a cold end to September in the last 100 years.


Might be worth Gavin P doing some analogues of cold ends to September as part of his winter updates series.

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