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Bugglesgate
13 February 2020 20:56:27

No real problem with rivers around here but the issue of groundwater is growing.


I encountered some pretty deep floods on my way to work this morning over the downs.  This may seem odd but I remember downland  villages being very badly effected in 2014 and we seem to be heading that way again with groundwater  and springs popping up.


 https://riverlevels.uk/flood-warning-groundwater-flooding-in-west-ilsley-east-ilsley-compton-chilton-and-west-hagbourne


 


 


 


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AJ*
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14 February 2020 09:21:51

For anyone wanting to keep an eye on the level of their local river, this site is useful, and also contains locations and images from the Farson Digital Water Cams.


https://www.gaugemap.co.uk/#!Map


 


Edit: If DEW is reading this, as we have already started discussing rainfall and potential flooding here, perhaps the thread title could be changed to read 'Gales and floods ...'  Or we could have a new thread - your choice.


Angus; one of the Kent crew on TWO.
Tonbridge, 40m (131ft) asl
nsrobins
14 February 2020 10:48:01
There’s some revisions to the UKM warnings coming - to reflect the slower progress of the rain into the UK tomorrow and likely to add a refined wind warning to the SE for Sunday to reflect the enhanced gusts ahead of the front due to a ripple along its axis.
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Easternpromise
14 February 2020 11:08:39

There’s some revisions to the UKM warnings coming - to reflect the slower progress of the rain into the UK tomorrow and likely to add a refined wind warning to the SE for Sunday to reflect the enhanced gusts ahead of the front due to a ripple along its axis.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Just seen the revision and the wind warning has only been amended to bring forward the end time to 12:00pm Sunday


 


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DEW
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14 February 2020 11:25:59


 


Edit: If DEW is reading this, as we have already started discussing rainfall and potential flooding here, perhaps the thread title could be changed to read 'Gales and floods ...'  Or we could have a new thread - your choice.


Originally Posted by: AJ* 


Suggestion taken up


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Saint Snow
14 February 2020 11:38:59

Pleased to see that for once MBY is out of either yellow or amber rain warning.


Just the wind to contend with 



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Brian Gaze
14 February 2020 12:16:58

We had emergency repairs done to our roof on Monday. I was hoping they'd last until the summer when we come up with a better solution. Unfortunately I expect the lead flashing to lift again this weekend.  


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idj20
14 February 2020 13:20:25


We had emergency repairs done to our roof on Monday. I was hoping they'd last until the summer when we come up with a better solution. Unfortunately I expect the lead flashing to lift again this weekend.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



I'm also having the same issue with my lead flashing, but doesn't help that juvenile seagulls keep trying to peel them off. I've bought 6 rolls of sticky backed lead strips (and 4 cans of butane gas for held held torch) designed to keep it all down in place as well as stopping wind-induced water ingress but it's getting around to finding someone to do the job for me. I have absolutely no head for heights and even if I can get onto the roof, I'd probably make a terrible job of it.


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idj20
14 February 2020 13:33:15

Back to about the weather, it seems that the models has my location down for peak winds of 45 mph and up to 68 mph gusts commencing dawn Sunday and clearing away early to mid-afternoon. Rain will also be an issue.

While it'll still be pretty blowy with gales, the overall wind speeds doesn't look like being as strong and long lasting as Ciara but she only gave me just 7 mm of rain while Dennis is expected to deliver up to 30 mm lasting for most of the day.

Thankfully my road and general area being sloped towards the coast and my house sitting on a mound isn't prone to standing flood water and it may even be worth me hoping for the hilly built up alcove to my SW to shield me from the worst of the wind, like what happened last time.


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NickR
14 February 2020 14:24:38


We had emergency repairs done to our roof on Monday. I was hoping they'd last until the summer when we come up with a better solution. Unfortunately I expect the lead flashing to lift again this weekend.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I need to get a new flat roof on the extension this summer. I have emergency roof repair gunk piled high! I think I've got a quadruple repair layer. It says maximum gap 10mm. I think I've wedged it into holes about 4 times that.


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DEW
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14 February 2020 14:28:07

100mm of rain forecast for the Weald of Kent and Sussex cumulative for Sat & Sun - and it'll be 95% run-off. Get your camers out if you live in Tonbridge or Lewes or Horsham!


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warrenb
14 February 2020 14:44:00
I think a boat might be more appropriate, we had 15mm of rain yesterday and the river is already full to the brim. It seems even the slightest rain at the moment causes and reaction. Also ground water is now an issue as the ground is completely saturated.
Bugglesgate
14 February 2020 14:59:45


 


I need to get a new flat roof on the extension this summer. I have emergency roof repair gunk piled high! I think I've got a quadruple repair layer. It says maximum gap 10mm. I think I've wedged it into holes about 4 times that.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


 


Bloody flat roofs are a PITA. 


A lot of family hassle over the decades   with them  lead me  to  opt for the more expensive pitched roof  on both my recent extensions.


 


 


Chris (It,its)
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Tim A
14 February 2020 16:04:09
I am in a yellow warning area but close to the amber area. Guess the amber warning is for flooding rather than interesting weather as such. E.g York is in the amber area but will probably recieve much less rain than here but get further flooded from all the rain and hill snow melt heading downstream.
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Rob K
14 February 2020 16:24:05


 


Just seen the revision and the wind warning has only been amended to bring forward the end time to 12:00pm Sunday


 


Originally Posted by: Easternpromise 


Looking at the models today it seems like the rain is likely to push through quicker than it was showing yesterday - could be all finished here by midday on Sunday or soon after, whereas yesterday it looked like going on until early evening. Rain totals generally about half of what they were showing yesterday here, too, but higher over Wales.


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sunny coast
14 February 2020 16:26:24


100mm of rain forecast for the Weald of Kent and Sussex cumulative for Sat & Sun - and it'll be 95% run-off. Get your camers out if you live in Tonbridge or Lewes or Horsham!


Originally Posted by: DEW 

. Rain like that in this area is unusual  reminds me of Oct 2000  Uckfield Lewes flooded.  Some 5 inches in places over 48 hours 

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14 February 2020 16:37:51


100mm of rain forecast for the Weald of Kent and Sussex cumulative for Sat & Sun - and it'll be 95% run-off. Get your camers out if you live in Tonbridge or Lewes or Horsham!


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Ouch!  That's pretty much the same amount of rain (4 inches in old money) that fell over a weekend in Sept 1968 that caused the floods in the Medway valley back then.  OK, so the Leigh Flood Storage Barrier has been built since, but still...


In addition to the places mentioned by DEW, Uckfield is also highly flood-prone since the bypass was built downstream of the town with insufficient space for floodwater to flow under it, and an industrial estate was built upstream of it thus increasing the speed of run-off. 


 


(Edit: post written before seeing the one from 'sunny coast')


Angus; one of the Kent crew on TWO.
Tonbridge, 40m (131ft) asl
idj20
14 February 2020 16:52:51

Urgh, the 12z GFS is now showing 75 mph gusts for Sunday noon for my area, the same strength as Ciara. Must be picking up on that shortwave effect.

The sooner we break out of this current crappy set up, the better. March better make up for it with quieter conditions.


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14 February 2020 17:39:18


 


Ouch!  That's pretty much the same amount of rain (4 inches in old money) that fell over a weekend in Sept 1968 that caused the floods in the Medway valley back then.  OK, so the Leigh Flood Storage Barrier has been built since, but still...


In addition to the places mentioned by DEW, Uckfield is also highly flood-prone since the bypass was built downstream of the town with insufficient space for floodwater to flow under it, and an industrial estate was built upstream of it thus increasing the speed of run-off. 


 


(Edit: post written before seeing the one from 'sunny coast')


Originally Posted by: AJ* 


It was a BBC forecast - perhaps I ought to qualify and say that it was 100mm 'in places' whereas the 1968 floods were the result of comprehensively widespread rain. But I've advised my daughter who lives in Tonbridge (up the hill a bit, so she'll be OK) to get her Sainsbury's shopping done on Saturday as the car park there will surely be flooded with that amount of rain. 


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IanT
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14 February 2020 18:00:50

It looks like our flight out of Luton airport at 10:45 on Sunday will either be cancelled or interesting...


Woking, Surrey. 40m asl.
sunny coast
14 February 2020 18:06:36


 


Ouch!  That's pretty much the same amount of rain (4 inches in old money) that fell over a weekend in Sept 1968 that caused the floods in the Medway valley back then.  OK, so the Leigh Flood Storage Barrier has been built since, but still...


In addition to the places mentioned by DEW, Uckfield is also highly flood-prone since the bypass was built downstream of the town with insufficient space for floodwater to flow under it, and an industrial estate was built upstream of it thus increasing the speed of run-off. 


 


(Edit: post written before seeing the one from 'sunny coast')


Originally Posted by: AJ* 

indeed   I remember the Oct 2000 Uckfield flood as I lived there. I also remember the 68 floods parts of the SE had 7 inches plus that weekend 

Brian Gaze
14 February 2020 18:12:04

On the subject of roofs here's a pic of what Storm Ciara did to ours. The lead flashing was stuck back down on Monday morning but I expect it to lift again this weekend. It could really do with securing by screws or something comparable. 



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Bugglesgate
14 February 2020 18:33:16


On the subject of roofs here's a pic of what Storm Ciara did to ours. The lead flashing was stuck back down on Monday morning but I expect it to lift again this weekend. It could really do with securing by screws or something comparable. 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


I've seen that loads, Brian,  IMHO it's a really crappy method of roofing - it seems almost inevitable that the wind will get under it in in exposed areas.  It's difficult to know how to retro fix it.  Drilling into the tiles and screwing doesn't sound a good idea.


My extension has a small amount of that type of flashing, but its only a few inches long and  right at the top of the half pitch of the extension against the existing house wall  (one side is anchored into the brickwork) wall of the house. It's fairly sheltered and minimal length means  it's  less likley to bend up.   Flashing around the vellux windows is under the tile line and the flashing that bonds to a side wall is anchored into the brickwork.  i.e   I don't have anything like that on the exposed top of the roof.


A new build in the village has had the same thing occurring as you.   It is a large was square house with external flashing on roof corners (where your picture has  "ridge tiles".  It's  all lifted on  the windward  side of the house  and must be leaking like a sieve


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
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Brian Gaze
14 February 2020 19:30:40


I've seen that loads, Brian,  IMHO it's a really crappy method of roofing - it seems almost inevitable that the wind will get under it in in exposed areas.  It's difficult to know how to retro fix it.  Drilling into the tiles and screwing doesn't sound a good idea.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Agree. Fortunately no water got in last weekend. The roof is about 4 years old and the builder had his roofers round at no cost on Monday. However, I think a better solution is required. 


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idj20
14 February 2020 19:46:37


 


Agree. Fortunately no water got in last weekend. The roof is about 4 years old and the builder had his roofers round at no cost on Monday. However, I think a better solution is required. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



This might be your friend: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Roofing-Flashing-Tape-Flashband-Repairing-Sealing-Self-Adhesive-10m-Roll/192714559401?hash=item2cdeaecfa9:m:md9DC5zbsjSyy7kA8AYQAqA

it's flexible and applied to the surface using a butane torch, I've used it to hold down the flashing to the tiles & brickwork around the chimney four years ago and it's doing a good job given my exposed coastal location. Now I need to do the same to the flashing against next door's house what with the rain falling onto the tiles and then getting blown under the flashing in gale force southerly winds and dribbles down the wall inside the loft, but is fine during heavy rain in calm wind. 


Folkestone Harbour. 

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