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Brian Gaze
24 February 2020 13:01:14

Massive queues for masks in highly developed and affluent South Korea. Beautiful illustration of what fake news and panic leads to. By travelling to shops and standing in queues the people are more likely to contract the virus than if they had stayed at home. Given that masks are believed to offer no protection against the virus the behavioural stupidity level is multiplied. That's why it is best to stick to guidance provided by WHO and governments rather than random (however well written they may be) Internet blogs.

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Quantum
24 February 2020 13:04:48


Massive queues for masks in highly developed and affluent South Korea. Beautiful illustration of what fake news and panic leads to. By travelling to shops and standing in queues the people are more likely to contract the virus than if they had stayed at home. Given that masks are believed to offer no protection against the virus the behavioural stupidity level is multiplied. That's why it is best to stick to guidance provided by WHO and governments rather than random (however well written they may be) Internet blogs.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


And I'm of the opinion that short term panic can be avoided by long term preparation. If it took off in the UK and people started panic buying I would not be one of them since I've already done all of that over a long period of time. 


For the record I haven't got any masks. They are far more useful for healthcare workers and people who actually have COVID-19. The N95 masks, to my knowledge, are designed to protect the environment from the individual not vice versa.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
24 February 2020 13:08:31


 For the record I haven't got any masks. They are far more useful for healthcare workers and people who actually have COVID-19. The N95 masks, to my knowledge, are designed to protect the environment from the individual not vice versa.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Dodgy google says that the cost of a hazmat suit is just $61, so I am surprised you haven't got one of them!

Brian Gaze
24 February 2020 13:09:53


 


And I'm of the opinion that short term panic can be avoided by long term preparation. If it took off in the UK and people started panic buying I would not be one of them since I've already done all of that over a long period of time. 


For the record I haven't got any masks. They are far more useful for healthcare workers and people who actually have COVID-19. The N95 masks, to my knowledge, are designed to protect the environment from the individual not vice versa.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


If people read that the mortality rate could be 50% or higher on a website some of them will inevitably panic.  In turn that will lead them to do anything they can to "reduce" their risk of contracting the virus. Some will end-up thinking a mask may be better than nothing regardless of what the experts have said about their effectiveness.

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Quantum
24 February 2020 13:12:14


 


Dodgy google says that the cost of a hazmat suit is just $61, so I am surprised you haven't got one of them!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I know it's not a serious point, but the problem is you still have to clean them. It's like the masks. They only provide protection if you wear them properly and then safely dispose of them (easier than it sounds) without spreading the virus onto all kinds of surfaces. The mask will also cause moisture to build up over your face so if there is any leakage it may increase the risk of you getting it.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
24 February 2020 13:14:11


 


If people read that the mortality rate could be 50% or higher on a website some of them will inevitably panic.  In turn that will lead them to do anything they can to "reduce" their risk of contracting the virus. Some will end-up thinking a mask may be better than nothing regardless of what the experts have said about their effectiveness.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Why do you keep bringing up that figure? I've already said the only reason I mentioned the 50% figure was to explain the risks of using naive CFRs.


It's just annoying that you choose this stick to beat me with when I mentioned it as an example of what not to do. I've never once claimed the mortality rate was anything like that high.


 


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
24 February 2020 13:15:15


 


I know it's not a serious point, but the problem is you still have to clean them. It's like the masks. They only provide protection if you wear them properly and then safely dispose of them (easier than it sounds) without spreading the virus onto all kinds of surfaces. The mask will also cause moisture to build up over your face so if there is any leakage it may increase the risk of you getting it.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Are you still attending Young Conservative meetings? When I was a member it was unusual for more than 3 or 4 people  to turn up so perhaps you've not given up on them yet? If not then perhaps you can suggest Dalby Forrest to them! #Survivalist  

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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xioni2
24 February 2020 13:16:20


 I know it's not a serious point, but the problem is you still have to clean them. It's like the masks. They only provide protection if you wear them properly and then safely dispose of them (easier than it sounds) without spreading the virus onto all kinds of surfaces. The mask will also cause moisture to build up over your face so if there is any leakage it may increase the risk of you getting it.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You can get about 20 of them in different colours, so you are always fashionable. Wear one each day and then wash them at 90C and then put them under UV light for 24h.


westv
24 February 2020 13:20:41
If a TWO member catches it will the entire forum have to go into lockdown?
At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
24 February 2020 13:21:20

If a TWO member catches it will the entire forum have to go into lockdown?

Originally Posted by: westv 


I'll use it as an excuse to shut down the forum permanently. 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Roger Parsons
24 February 2020 13:36:59


I'll use it as an excuse to shut down the forum permanently. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Perhaps you could replace it with a TWO memorial garden, Brian.


Option for epitaphs such as "I told you it was a pandemic!"; "I blame it on the man in the mask!" etc.


Roger

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Gandalf The White
24 February 2020 13:38:01


 


The real issue is not the headline death rate (apart from for those who do die and their relatives), the problem is the number of infected people who need hospital treatment, even though most subsequently recover. Health systems in most countries find it hard to cope, all non-urgent health treatments end up being suspended and hospitals themselves become epicentres of infection.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


There isn't a healthcare system on the planet that could deal with a serious pandemic.


As I said, if Covid-19 becomes established then the only route to managing it will be via a vaccine for vulnerable groups.


I still think there's a decent chance of this being contained in Italy and South Korea but I've no idea about other countries and if it gets to Africa it certainly won't be contained in most countries.

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Gandalf The White
24 February 2020 13:39:37


 



Perhaps you could replace it with a TWO memorial garden, Brian.


Option for epitaphs such as "I told you it was a pandemic!"; "I blame it on the man in the mask!" etc.


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Also an idea like opportunity for that famous Spike Milligan one-liner, "I told you I wasn't feeling very well."


😉

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Roger Parsons
24 February 2020 13:44:57
We could all have numbers as on a Take Away menu?
R.
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
The Beast from the East
24 February 2020 13:50:42


I think it was Saint who had said it, but sometimes it does feel like some people might be secretly disappointed if we don't get a proper pandemic. It must be a combination of subconsciously wanting to see dramatic news or worst case scenarios developing (because they had read all about them) or just an aspect of the human condition i guess.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I'll admit I am guilty of this. Dramatic news is "exciting", whether its natural disasters or terrorism, but it all changes if you yourself become directly affected or someone you like does. 


For example, I love extreme weather, but not when Storm Dennis blows down my fence and floods my garage. 


 


 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
speckledjim
24 February 2020 13:51:12
All European deaths thus far have been people in their 80s and/or having underlying conditions.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
The Beast from the East
24 February 2020 13:55:30


Massive queues for masks in highly developed and affluent South Korea. Beautiful illustration of what fake news and panic leads to. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


For me, as a social scientist and observer of behaviour, this is what interests me about this story. As Essan said, its not the virus that we need to worry about

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
xioni2
24 February 2020 14:04:45


 


Perhaps you could replace it with a TWO memorial garden, Brian.


Option for epitaphs such as "I told you it was a pandemic!"; "I blame it on the man in the mask!" etc.


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


I noticed that the flusurvey now has an interesting survey on the coronavirus. 

Roger Parsons
24 February 2020 14:17:45


I noticed that the flusurvey now has an interesting survey on the coronavirus. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes - I mentioned it above somewhere when having a rant about apparent lack of support for flusurvey, xioni. It is quite interesting - I did it and could see where they were coming from. Folks on this thread could be making a very useful contribution - perhaps they are and are just keeping quiet?



https://flusurvey.net/


R.

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Brian Gaze
24 February 2020 14:31:12

Serious question for Quantum if you are around! What do you think about coach drivers not being given protective clothing when they drive repatriated Brits to confinement? There's a pic here:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51612039

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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"I'm not socialist, I know that. I don't believe in sharing my money." - Gary Numan
Roger Parsons
24 February 2020 14:40:42


Serious question for Quantum if you are around! What do you think about coach drivers not being given protective clothing when they drive repatriated Brits to confinement? There's a pic here:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51612039


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Could they have been told "not to inhale", Brian?


No madder than flying a plane-load of passengers laced with infected victims.


R.

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Ally Pally Snowman
24 February 2020 14:48:24


Serious question for Quantum if you are around! What do you think about coach drivers not being given protective clothing when they drive repatriated Brits to confinement? There's a pic here:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51612039


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Apparently they were also quarantined as well so they maybe decided why bother with protective clothing. 


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Roger Parsons
24 February 2020 14:50:03


 


Apparently they were also quarantined as well so they maybe decided why bother with protective clothing. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Stirling stuff if that's correct, AP.


R.

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Ally Pally Snowman
24 February 2020 14:56:06

Italy is considering a mortgage amnesty in the affected area. I'm freelance so if it kicks off here and travel is restricted in London I won't be able to work or pay my mortgage . So hopefully it's a scheme we can have here.


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
speckledjim
24 February 2020 14:57:34


 


 


Apparently they were also quarantined as well so they maybe decided why bother with protective clothing. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


they have self quarantined on full pay

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip

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