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Roger Parsons
25 February 2020 15:22:58

Our retired neighbours overwinter in Tenerife - makes you realise how close one is to potential trouble. There - and here.
Coronavirus: Tenerife hotel with hundreds of guests locked down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51627597



Roger

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 15:34:02


An example that many people in here are more familiar with.


Is it appropiate to say because the global temperature is only a degree or so higher than pre industrial levels that Global warming is nothing to worry about? After all 1 degree is barely even noticable!


Because this would be a far more valid statement as temperature isn't exponential growth, it's probably only geometric growth.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That just demonstrates a failure to understand climate science. I suspect you do actually understand but the analogy is a fail, I'm afraid.

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Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 15:35:38


 


I do that as standard.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I suppose that might guarantee a better class of virus, Brian.


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Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
25 February 2020 15:42:05


 


That just demonstrates a failure to understand climate science. I suspect you do actually understand but the analogy is a fail, I'm afraid.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


How? It demonstrates why you can't judge a time dependent phenonemon by a time independent statistic.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 16:06:45

Reminds me of that General during the Iraq War:


This is from the president of Iran:


Amid fears around Iran's handling of the coronavirus outbreak, President Hassan Rouhani has appealed for calm, saying he expects the situation to be "normal" by this Saturday.


Oh dear, Oh dear. 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 16:12:12


Reminds me of that General during the Iraq War:


This is from the president of Iran:


Amid fears around Iran's handling of the coronavirus outbreak, President Hassan Rouhani has appealed for calm, saying he expects the situation to be "normal" by this Saturday.


Oh dear, Oh dear. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


Crazy! Latest 23 cases in Bahrain, 4 in Oman and 5 in Iraq. All connected to Iran.


 


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
25 February 2020 16:14:22


Reminds me of that General during the Iraq War:


This is from the president of Iran:


Amid fears around Iran's handling of the coronavirus outbreak, President Hassan Rouhani has appealed for calm, saying he expects the situation to be "normal" by this Saturday.


Oh dear, Oh dear. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


FFS


Stupid regime.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 16:15:06


Crazy! Latest 23 cases in Bahrain, 4 in Oman and 5 in Iraq. All connected to Iran.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Spreads so easily - the new case in Spain is an Italian woman who had travelled to Barcelona. Meanwhile the BBC report on the hotel in Tenerife:


"...


Fellow Briton Nigel Scotland said he was most concerned that the man who had tested positive had been staying in the hotel for six days, and "during that time, probably five or six hundred people must have left the hotel and gone back to various places in Europe".


The Italian doctor, who had been staying at the hotel with his wife, tested positive on Monday and has been placed in isolation at the University Hospital Nuestra Señora de Candelaria. He will undergo a second test to confirm the virus.


His wife was taken to the same hospital where she also tested positive in the first analysis, Spain's Diario de Avisos reports.


..."


P.S. Oman is a worry - if the virus gets into neighbouring Yemen which has terrible issues as a result of the civil war, there is no health system present there to deal with it or to quarantine those infected.

New world order coming.
Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 16:24:13

Another 11 cases today for Japan. 171 in all spread over most of the country. Today it suspended the J-League Football for 3 weeks.


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 16:26:00


 


Spreads so easily - the new case in Spain is an Italian woman who had travelled to Barcelona. Meanwhile the BBC report on the hotel in Tenerife:


"...


Fellow Briton Nigel Scotland said he was most concerned that the man who had tested positive had been staying in the hotel for six days, and "during that time, probably five or six hundred people must have left the hotel and gone back to various places in Europe".


The Italian doctor, who had been staying at the hotel with his wife, tested positive on Monday and has been placed in isolation at the University Hospital Nuestra Señora de Candelaria. He will undergo a second test to confirm the virus.


His wife was taken to the same hospital where she also tested positive in the first analysis, Spain's Diario de Avisos reports.


..."


P.S. Oman is a worry - if the virus gets into neighbouring Yemen which has terrible issues as a result of the civil war, there is no health system present there to deal with it or to quarantine those infected.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, a lot of these holiday resorts will be all you can eat buffets. People will likely be spluttering all over the food.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 16:38:00


 


Spreads so easily - the new case in Spain is an Italian woman who had travelled to Barcelona. Meanwhile the BBC report on the hotel in Tenerife:


"...


Fellow Briton Nigel Scotland said he was most concerned that the man who had tested positive had been staying in the hotel for six days, and "during that time, probably five or six hundred people must have left the hotel and gone back to various places in Europe".


The Italian doctor, who had been staying at the hotel with his wife, tested positive on Monday and has been placed in isolation at the University Hospital Nuestra Señora de Candelaria. He will undergo a second test to confirm the virus.


His wife was taken to the same hospital where she also tested positive in the first analysis, Spain's Diario de Avisos reports.


..."


P.S. Oman is a worry - if the virus gets into neighbouring Yemen which has terrible issues as a result of the civil war, there is no health system present there to deal with it or to quarantine those infected.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


It does spread easily but it doesn't help that we aren't getting clarity from all countries.  China reporting only 9 new cases and 3 deaths from outside Hubei province today, that's 1.4 billion people I'm sorry but that's just not realistic in anyway. Obviously Iran is massively under reporting but also Thailand and Indonesia not testing much apparently. 


 


 


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 16:42:45


Reminds me of that General during the Iraq War:


This is from the president of Iran:


Amid fears around Iran's handling of the coronavirus outbreak, President Hassan Rouhani has appealed for calm, saying he expects the situation to be "normal" by this Saturday.


Oh dear, Oh dear. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yep, a scarily backward country with not a clue about the necessary measures. Apparently they 'don't believe in quarantines because they don't work'. All the religious sites are still open.


I see one of their top officials has caught it and still attended the press conference yesterday, looking clearly unwell and feverish.


No doubt the clerics will all be at Friday prayers putting a religious spin on this (something around the nasty immoral West) and asking for divine intervention. And expecting it. To be fair I guess the same scenes will be played out amongst the religious right in the US if it reaches there.

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Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 16:47:32


 


 


It does spread easily but it doesn't help that we aren't getting clarity from all countries.  China reporting only 9 new cases and 3 deaths from outside Hubei province today, that's 1.4 billion people I'm sorry but that's just not realistic in anyway. Obviously Iran is massively under reporting but also Thailand and Indonesia not testing much apparently. 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Sorry, but you have no basis for saying that. If you look at the facts the outbreak was always at a very low level outside Hubei province and the severe quarantine measures mean it isn't impossible that the outbreak has been brought under control.


The biggest concern is Iran and the fact that the religious sites remain open with streams of visitors. Even thought their contacts with the outside world are more limited it's still  the biggest worry IMO, if it spreads through the region into places like Iraq and Syria.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


xioni2
25 February 2020 16:50:46


China reporting only 9 new cases and 3 deaths from outside Hubei province today, that's 1.4 billion people I'm sorry but that's just not realistic in anyway. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Imagine when the day comes when China declares no new cases or new deaths outside of Hubei. Impossible! Outrageous! 

Darren S
25 February 2020 17:05:48

Interesting that the government are advising isolation if you have returned from the following locations and develop symptoms:



  • Vietnam, Cambodia (currently no active cases)

  • Laos, Myanmar (no cases yet reported)


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#advice-for-travellers

Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Bugglesgate
25 February 2020 17:13:06

Our place has now upped the precautions with tougher conditions on international travel and   viruscidal   dispensers in the bogs.


To be honest we are at a reasonable risk.  We are an international research establishment  with a continual "ebb and flow" of scientists and facility users   from around the globe.


 


 


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
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Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 17:14:14


 


Sorry, but you have no basis for saying that. If you look at the facts the outbreak was always at a very low level outside Hubei province and the severe quarantine measures mean it isn't impossible that the outbreak has been brought under control.


The biggest concern is Iran and the fact that the religious sites remain open with streams of visitors. Even thought their contacts with the outside world are more limited it's still  the biggest worry IMO, if it spreads through the region into places like Iraq and Syria.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Province's outside Hubei have 13000 cases spread over many 100s of towns and cities. Many not under strict curfew like Hubei. For the Chinese to get it down under 10 new cases a day already is simply unbelievable. This is all about getting China back to work ASAP.

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
25 February 2020 17:14:31


Interesting that the government are advising isolation if you have returned from the following locations and develop symptoms:



  • Vietnam, Cambodia (currently no active cases)

  • Laos, Myanmar (no cases yet reported)


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#advice-for-travellers


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Feels like we are weeks behind.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
25 February 2020 17:18:50


Interesting that the government are advising isolation if you have returned from the following locations and develop symptoms:



  • Vietnam, Cambodia (currently no active cases)

  • Laos, Myanmar (no cases yet reported)


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#advice-for-travellers


Originally Posted by: Darren S 

Even more interesting that they’re saying you don’t need to follow that advice if you have no symptoms.  

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Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 17:20:40


Interesting that the government are advising isolation if you have returned from the following locations and develop symptoms:



  • Vietnam, Cambodia (currently no active cases)

  • Laos, Myanmar (no cases yet reported)


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public#advice-for-travellers


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 


These countries simply are not testing enough people so we cant be sure how many cases they actually have.


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Caz
  • Caz
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25 February 2020 17:22:15


Our place has now upper the precautions with tougher conditions on international travel and   viruscidal   dispensers in the bogs.


To be honest we are at a reasonable risk.  WE are an internation research establishment  with a continual "ebb and flow" of scientists and facility users   from around the globe.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

Our place has also put sanitisers in the loos and by the clocking in machine.  I told our H&S officer he was a bit late, as I’ve been back nearly three weeks.

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doctormog
25 February 2020 17:22:24
I suspect the number of cases is indeed quite a bit higher but as the virus is more often than not very mild many people will just wait for it to pass rather than get tested.
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Brian Gaze
25 February 2020 17:41:17
The important thing is surely whether the number of new daily cases is increasing or decreasing?
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Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 17:51:01

Latest from Italy 91 new cases today 3 new deaths.


 

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The Beast from the East
25 February 2020 17:56:16


 


 WE are an internation research establishment  with a continual "ebb and flow" of scientists and facility users   from around the globe.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Don't worry, that will come to an end when the transition period finishes. We can put up the barricades and our blue passports will shield us from anything

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