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speckledjim
27 February 2020 20:04:29


 


Difficult to get a clear picture of what caused the outbreak in Italy, but from reading what is available in various organs of the press, this appears to be a reasonable summation as far as I can see, even though the index patient(s) have not been idenitifed:



  • tourist or tourist couple arrive in northern Italy from China - they have no symptoms, but are carrying the virus

  • Italian man catches the virus - let's call him patient A.

  • Patient A feeling unwell attends hospital and (this is the crucial part and is the reason why the authorities in Italy are as mad as hell) - he is not checked for corona virus, is told he has the flu and to go home and rest.

  • Hospital is now a centre for the contagion as well as patient A. People attending the hospital are infected as well as those who come into contact with Patient A and the Chinese couple (they think it was a couple who later turned up in southern Italy, felt unwell and then tested positive).


So that is how it spread - one of the Italian super spreaders (not Patient A) was a sportsman who (completely innocently since he was asymptomatic) travelled and spread the virus widely before he too felt ill and was checked for the virus.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The increase in German numbers is due to individual visiting a hospital for an unrelated condition. Time and time again hospitals appear to be a centre for the spreading of the virus so it’s certainly a place to avoid if you can.


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westv
27 February 2020 20:10:41
Don't people end up dying in hospitals? Best to avoid at all costs!
At least it will be mild!
Ally Pally Snowman
27 February 2020 20:10:46

12 new cases in Spain today , 3 new in Norway and one in Northern Ireland. 


Some pretty big numbers today in Europe


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speckledjim
27 February 2020 20:15:25


12 new cases in Spain today , 3 new in Norway and one in Northern Ireland. 


Some pretty big numbers today in Europe


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Only to be expected, I’d imagine we will see bigger increases before it eventually tails off


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bowser
27 February 2020 21:01:02
Not seen this amount of volatility in the stock market in a while! They pumped up too much in the first place I guess.
Polar Low
27 February 2020 21:09:38

indeed rsv, mrsa certain types of e-coli can all be very deadly


I would only  go If forced I do wonder if this whole thing is blown out of proportion the numbers really are small but I do take on board it’s different if it’s you or your family affected a nice little earner for the money boys coming as for pensions and stock market no need to worry not in bear territory just yet a sensible word correction can be a good thing.


 



Don't people end up dying in hospitals? Best to avoid at all costs!

Originally Posted by: westv 

Heavy Weather 2013
27 February 2020 21:12:00
The DOW just crashes to a 1200 point loss over continued fear of the virus
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Polar Low
27 February 2020 21:19:28

as I said above it makes me suspicious 


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-plunge-starting-to-feel-a-bit-ridiculous-but-dont-argue-says-chart-watcher-2020-02-27


 


The DOW just crashes to a 1200 point loss over continued fear of the virus

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Gandalf The White
27 February 2020 21:23:22

Not seen this amount of volatility in the stock market in a while! They pumped up too much in the first place I guess.

Originally Posted by: bowser 


Yes, the premise of the final stage of a bull market has been compromised, ie there's no bad news; it's going to go on forever....


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Brian Gaze
27 February 2020 21:23:48

Man down in Northern Ireland.


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Gandalf The White
27 February 2020 21:24:54


Ah, the $64,000 dollar question: major rebound or dead cat bounce.


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westv
27 February 2020 21:26:39

The DOW just crashes to a 1200 point loss over continued fear of the virus

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


4.85% isn't small but it's not that significant. 


The 22% fall in 1987, now that was major.


At least it will be mild!
The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 21:28:17


Man down in Northern Ireland.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


”no surrender, no surrender, no surrender to the IRA!” 


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The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 21:30:12
If Liverpool are prevented from winning the league, I fear Saint will go on a rampage
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Polar Low
27 February 2020 21:30:20

keep your nerve Peter it will come back history says it takes much longer if we enter the bears den but that has to be around the 20% drop mark as I said the correction is not a bad thing




 


Ah, the $64,000 dollar question: major rebound or dead cat bounce.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

bowser
27 February 2020 21:33:46


 


4.85% isn't small but it's not that significant. 


The 22% fall in 1987, now that was major.


Originally Posted by: westv 


4.85% is major and in the context of the last week or so. 87 was an out and out anomaly.

Brian Gaze
27 February 2020 21:35:33

Is there any news on whether the PPT is going into action in the US markets? 


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The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 21:36:17


UK still on 15. Slower than Chris Tavare at the moment.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Theresa May’s hero Boycott is at the non strikers end. Don’t worry he’ll hit a six next over, or hit his ex wife for six and get a knighthood 


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Polar Low
27 February 2020 21:45:36

unlikely imo unless confirmed cases rise very significantly 


The first level gets triggered if the S&P falls 7 percent between the opening of trading hours at 9:30 a.m. in New York and 3:25 p.m. (or 12:25 p.m. on days when the stock market has a scheduled early close). The next trigger, level 2, kicks in when the index falls 13 percent, another 15-minute halt.


 




Is there any news on whether the PPT is going into action in the US markets? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 21:48:56


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bowser
27 February 2020 21:54:53


unlikely imo unless confirmed cases rise very significantly 


The first level gets triggered if the S&P falls 7 percent between the opening of trading hours at 9:30 a.m. in New York and 3:25 p.m. (or 12:25 p.m. on days when the stock market has a scheduled early close). The next trigger, level 2, kicks in when the index falls 13 percent, another 15-minute halt.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


happened aug 2015 from memory.

Brian Gaze
27 February 2020 21:59:25

I wonder whether this could have similarities to the so called oil crisis in the 1970s. That caused inflation to take off around the globe. If global supply lines breakdown for long prices will soar as more expensive substitutes are put in place:   


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51654215


 


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Saint Snow
27 February 2020 22:05:23


 


I'm hoping it officially stops Liverpool being crowned champions. Would be perfectly in keeping with the 'next year is our year' mantra.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


 


As if I didn't already have enough reason to dislike you.



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Brian Gaze
27 February 2020 22:07:02


As if I didn't already have enough reason to dislike you.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


If the season was finished early presumably Liverpool would be awarded the title anyway.


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The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 22:11:47


I wonder whether this could have similarities to the so called oil crisis in the 1970s. That caused inflation to take off around the globe. If global supply lines breakdown for long prices will soar as more expensive substitutes are put in place:   


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51654215


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


just as well we haven’t gone mad and become the first country in history to impose economic sanctions on itself 


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