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Gandalf The White
02 March 2020 11:41:21


 


 But when it mutates it will get weaker, that is apparently the usual pattern for viruses to help them survive and not to kill too many hosts


That's why the Chinese took such extreme measures. Better to protect as many people now and wait for the Summer UV heat etc. When it returns next winter, the virus should be weaker and more easily handled by weaker patients


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I’m not sure your comment about viruses is correct. People speak of them as if there’s some sort of evolutionary element but they’re just random strands of DNA or RNA.  Their effects are just random based on how they bind to certain cells and the response.


Ebola hasn’t become any less deadly, AFAIK, and that applies to others.


There’s a huge reservoir of viruses circulating in the wild and chance encounters will result in some making a species jump which may end up with a human infection, as with Covid-19: this is just the latest example in a long list and it won’t be the last. What has changed is that these chance encounters are happening more often as population rises and increased travel facilitates the rapid spread.  


At some point the random spinning of the wheel will throw out something far worse than Covid-19. Imagine something like Ebola that had the same characteristics as HIV in taking months for symptoms to appear, which could infect huge numbers.


 


 


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The Beast from the East
02 March 2020 11:41:25

And a huge back entrance she has too


 




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Quantum
02 March 2020 11:44:52

As Ebola was mentioned, and people seem desperate for good news from me. I'll point out that Ebola is almost extinct with the DRC seeing almost no new cases.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Maunder Minimum
02 March 2020 11:47:35


 


We need to ban all flights from Iran and Italy (including any with connections) and introduce greater screening for other countries showing sustained local transmission.


We must also be prepared to implement local quarantines and start to really ramp up border control. All non essential visits abroad should be wound down.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I have been following events in India - this is the latest advisory to its nationals from the Indian government:


"Avoid non-essential travel to China, Iran, Korea, Singapore and Italy"


More news from India:


"Two new cases in India; markets take a negative turn


The person from Delhi had travelled to Italy, he is being diagnosed at RML hospital. The other person with the coronavirus infection from Telangana has travel history to Dubai."


Italy is clearly a major epicentre for the virus.


New world order coming.
Quantum
02 March 2020 11:48:42


 


I have been following events in India - this is the latest advisory to its nationals from the Indian government:


"Avoid non-essential travel to China, Iran, Korea, Singapore and Italy"


More news from India:


"Two new cases in India; markets take a negative turn


The person from Delhi had travelled to Italy, he is being diagnosed at RML hospital. The other person with the coronavirus infection from Telangana has travel history to Dubai."


Italy is clearly a major epicentre for the virus.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Indeed. Countries that link back to the Italy cluster.



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gandalf The White
02 March 2020 11:55:07


As Ebola was mentioned, and people seem desperate for good news from me. I'll point out that Ebola is almost extinct with the DRC seeing almost no new cases.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It is not extinct: it resides in a wide spectrum of animals in the wild. It will keep recurring whilst people have close contact with, or eat, those animals.


What has been achieved in the DRC is the control of the latest outbreak in humans.


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Maunder Minimum
02 March 2020 11:56:47


Indeed. Countries that link back to the Italy cluster.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


And now India.


New world order coming.
Polar Low
02 March 2020 12:02:36

Ftse falling now In  negative territory 


 


 

Quantum
02 March 2020 12:08:56

FYI the drop in the FTSE is already 2.5x higher than the small drop (that was almost immediately recovered) after the vote to leave despite people predicting it would fall below 5000.


People who accuse me of alarmism over this and complacency over brexit should be aware that the economic precipice that remainers preidcted over a mere vote to Leave is happening over this coronavirus.


But it's me that has my priorities wrong, clearly.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
02 March 2020 12:09:32
Officials have confirmed that the 2020 Olympics in Japan will go ahead as planned
xioni2
02 March 2020 12:09:49


 I was actually thinking of making a medium risk investment this year with my accumulated savings. I'm definitely putting it on hold and fully expecting a global recession.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Calling the bottom is pretty much impossible, but the next few weeks is probably a good time to make that investment. I'd think that a lot of that recession risk has been priced in by now.


 

Quantum
02 March 2020 12:11:08


 


Calling the bottom is pretty much impossible, but the next few weeks is probably a good time to make that investment. I'd think that a lot of that recession risk has been priced in by now.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Will take advice over it this week. However growth forcasts do not currently suggest a global recession, and I'm skeptical that we will avoid one. We were overdue one anyway even without the virus.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
02 March 2020 12:12:26


Will take advice over it this week. However growth forcasts do not currently suggest a global recession, and I'm skeptical that we will avoid one. We were overdue one anyway even without the virus.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I am sure the market is more dynamic than the official growth forecasts and has priced in a significant risk of them being downgraded.

Quantum
02 March 2020 12:15:19


 


I am sure the market is more dynamic than the official growth forecasts and has priced in a significant risk of them being downgraded.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Perhaps but I'd be taking a bigger risk than otherwise. Might get bigger rewards if you are right, but also risk losing more too. Medium risk investment feeling more like a high risk one with such volatility atm.


Anyway I'll take advice on it on Wednesday though I'm definitely erring towards putting this on hold for now.


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
02 March 2020 12:23:28
Nicola Sturgeon already speaking live about Coronavirus after the COBRA meeting.

COP26 climate conference in Glasgow will go ahead as planned at this stage
Quantum
02 March 2020 12:24:17

Nicola Sturgeon already speaking live about Coronavirus after the COBRA meeting.

COP26 climate conference in Glasgow will go ahead as planned at this stage

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Prioritizing a fake emergency over a real one


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gandalf The White
02 March 2020 12:28:23


 


Prioritizing a fake emergency over a real one


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes, but Covid-19 could become an emergency so I guess needs some attention.


Pity the world’s leaders didn’t take climate change as seriously when it first was identified as a serious threat.


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Gavin D
02 March 2020 12:28:37

Gavin D
02 March 2020 12:29:39

Gavin D
02 March 2020 12:31:26

xioni2
02 March 2020 12:31:29


Just wondering what everybody's views on this are:


Surely it is better to be exposed to the virus (assuming one is relatively healthy) so as to build immunity than to lock oneself away for weeks on end. This would presumably mitigate the risk of contracting a mutated and deadlier version of Covid-19 next winter.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


It's an interesting dilemma, but I'd personally err on the side of doing neither/nothing. If (or when) there is an epidemic in the UK, then I will probably work from home and reduce my social activity a bit (avoid overcrowded events etc.), but I won't make any other changes. My rationale is that overall I'd still prefer not to catch the virus and its associated risks (both personal risks and the risk of passing it to elderly people etc).


I haven't had a cold for more than 2 years now so my immune system is virgin and ready to be raped by this virus.



    

xioni2
02 March 2020 12:36:19




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


You know it's a crisis when the Gavin robot is switched on. Will you cope with both an apocalyptic epidemic and the no deal Brexit shenanigans happening simultaneously?


Saint Snow
02 March 2020 12:40:32

Without imposing (by force) extremely draconian measures, Covid-19 is going to spread in the UK and other countries (and even extremely draconian measures don't guarantee no spread).


Furthermore, we know that for the vast majority of people who do contract this, the symptoms are not severe, let alone deadly.


But for the elderly, infirm and immuno-compromised, there is the potential for Covid-19 to be serious and, more a minority, deadly.


 


I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


I'd also be strict regarding the hospitalisation of people without severe reactions/complications. Treatment should predominantly be undertaken at home - but with, say, a special dedicated service for those with the virus and at home, if the symptoms become severe or complications arise, whereby they will be fast-tracked into care by a professional.



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Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
02 March 2020 12:42:38


 


I am sure the market is more dynamic than the official growth forecasts and has priced in a significant risk of them being downgraded.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


Any chance of interest rates being cut?


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Joe Bloggs
02 March 2020 12:42:41


Without imposing (by force) extremely draconian measures, Covid-19 is going to spread in the UK and other countries (and even extremely draconian measures don't guarantee no spread).


Furthermore, we know that for the vast majority of people who do contract this, the symptoms are not severe, let alone deadly.


But for the elderly, infirm and immuno-compromised, there is the potential for Covid-19 to be serious and, more a minority, deadly.


 


I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


I'd also be strict regarding the hospitalisation of people without severe reactions/complications. Treatment should predominantly be undertaken at home - but with, say, a special dedicated service for those with the virus and at home, if the symptoms become severe or complications arise, whereby they will be fast-tracked into care by a professional.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Very well said, Saint. 



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