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Retron
05 March 2020 17:35:51

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned. Boris again floating the idea of letting it rip. It sounds like we will take fewer measures to control the spread than some other countries. Either because a) we don't think they're effective b) we're prioritising economic activity at a higher level than some other nations.

He told ITV's This Morning programme: "One of the theories is perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease to move through the population without really taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance."
Source:BBC

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That's the logical outcome of this - it's just a matter of whether it's weeks or months before that happens.


I believe the thinking is the longer they can delay it, the more progress will be made with vaccines and the weaker it will get, the stuff yesterday suggesting that the weaker of the two subtypes will become the dominant one in due course.


 


 

Leysdown, north Kent
Lionel Hutz
05 March 2020 17:36:01


 


LOL.


I wonder what the panickers do with all the extra stuff that they don't really need? Toilet rolls, for example; this new form of flu doesn't make you crap any more than you normally would, and if it zonks you like regular flu you won't really care about using the loo either - you'll be asleep.


One of my friends at work said they're going to (panic) buy some toilet roll this evening. They didn't have an answer as to why they suddenly needed it!


Talking of work, I was summoned to a meeting earlier about their plans if the school has to shut for two weeks. Google Classroom, apparently, with work set by teachers and live classes (delivered from the teachers' homes) by Google Meet. Of course, getting the kids to actually "tune in" or download / complete / upload the homework is another matter!


The ironic thing is if this a) turns out to be needed and b) works, it shows that you don't need 10 teachers teaching 10 classes the same thing... you could do it just as well with a fraction of staff. Add in a spot of AI ("It looks like you're struggling at maths, here are some easier / alternative problems") and I have to wonder what schools will look like in the years ahead!


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


It depends on what they buy, really. Toilet rolls are fine because you will use them eventually(well, if the Corona virus doesn't kill you at least). Also, there's no issue with buying things such as pasta, rice or other long date items. The only purchases which might be a waste would be if you buy more perishable items.


As regards Boris's suggestion that we "take it on the chin" and just get it over with, one possible motivation for delay is to spread out the impact. So instead of having everyone get it at once, you extend the period of infection so that there is less absenteeism or numbers in hospital spread out over a longer period of time instead of one shorter but much more serious bout of absenteeism/numbers in hospital. 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Retron
05 March 2020 17:39:22


It depends on what they buy, really. Toilet rolls are fine because you will use them eventually(well, if the Corona virus doesn't kill you at least). Also, there's no issue with buying things such as pasta, rice or other long date items. The only purchases which might be a waste would be if you buy more perishable items.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


I can see it now, next Christmas....


"There's the new sofa, there's the new TV, there's the pile of 36 16-packs of bog rolls that I panic-bought back in March...."


(Ironically, as I have a few spare bedrooms (being that I live alone) I could build up some awesome panic stores if I wanted to... but of course I don't!)


The ones that always make me grin are when people panic-buy bread and milk. At least panic-buy the "part baked" bread and the powdered milk, rather than stuff that'll just go down the drain / in the bin the following week!

Leysdown, north Kent
NickR
05 March 2020 17:39:33


 


LOL.


I wonder what the panickers do with all the extra stuff that they don't really need? Toilet rolls, for example; this new form of flu doesn't make you crap any more than you normally would, and if it zonks you like regular flu you won't really care about using the loo either - you'll be asleep.


One of my friends at work said they're going to (panic) buy some toilet roll this evening. They didn't have an answer as to why they suddenly needed it!


Talking of work, I was summoned to a meeting earlier about their plans if the school has to shut for two weeks. Google Classroom, apparently, with work set by teachers and live classes (delivered from the teachers' homes) by Google Meet. Of course, getting the kids to actually "tune in" or download / complete / upload the homework is another matter!


The ironic thing is if this a) turns out to be needed and b) works, it shows that you don't need 10 teachers teaching 10 classes the same thing... you could do it just as well with a fraction of staff. Add in a spot of AI ("It looks like you're struggling at maths, here are some easier / alternative problems") and I have to wonder what schools will look like in the years ahead!


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


It's not too hard to understand, surely! If a lot of people get sick and go off work, with travel restrictions too, then supply services will be reduced and/or delayed. Loo rolls are one of those things that if you have no stockpile when supplies are hit, it can be pretty unpleasant. Like I say, this isn't rocket science.

Nick
Durham
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speckledjim
05 March 2020 17:40:17


 


Agreed this is the figure we need to be paying attention you. If that number starts going through the roof we are *******.


Lots of FB friends are now reporting panic buying across the UK


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Luckily my FB friends are normal, sane people so no panic buying 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Joe Bloggs
05 March 2020 17:43:12

I had a conversation today with a call centre worker who has had the 111 coronavirus service outsourced to the team she works on. 


I asked what medical training she had received, she responded by saying it was a sheet of A4 with some Q and A’s. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
05 March 2020 17:45:18


 


Luckily my FB friends are normal, sane people so no panic buying 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


How many do you have. Serious question.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 March 2020 17:46:48


I had a conversation today with a call centre worker who has had the 111 coronavirus service outsourced to the team she works on. 


I asked what medical training she had received, she responded by saying it was a sheet of A4 with some Q and A’s. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


That is crazy. 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Essan
05 March 2020 17:47:03
Why do we keep being told the running total of how many have ever tested positive, and the number who have died, but NOT the number who have recovered ......

Good way to maintain a climate of fear, I suppose.

(Unless, of course, no-one has ever recovered?)
Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

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Joe Bloggs
05 March 2020 17:47:20


 


That is crazy. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I guess it’s shocking but I’m not that surprised. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
speckledjim
05 March 2020 17:48:24


 


How many do you have. Serious question.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


226 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Bugglesgate
05 March 2020 17:49:15


 


LOL.


I wonder what the panickers do with all the extra stuff that they don't really need? Toilet rolls, for example; this new form of flu doesn't make you crap any more than you normally would, and if it zonks you like regular flu you won't really care about using the loo either - you'll be asleep.


One of my friends at work said they're going to (panic) buy some toilet roll this evening. They didn't have an answer as to why they suddenly needed it!


Talking of work, I was summoned to a meeting earlier about their plans if the school has to shut for two weeks. Google Classroom, apparently, with work set by teachers and live classes (delivered from the teachers' homes) by Google Meet. Of course, getting the kids to actually "tune in" or download / complete / upload the homework is another matter!


The ironic thing is if this a) turns out to be needed and b) works, it shows that you don't need 10 teachers teaching 10 classes the same thing... you could do it just as well with a fraction of staff. Add in a spot of AI ("It looks like you're struggling at maths, here are some easier / alternative problems") and I have to wonder what schools will look like in the years ahead!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I do wonder if this will leave some  permanent changes.   Some of the measures chime with what St. Greta  is saying :-


 



  1. Working from home (less polluting travel)

  2. Teaching from home (less polluting travel / less expensive   teachers / less expensive schools )

  3. Less   air travel  more teleconferencing (less polluting travel)


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Bugglesgate
05 March 2020 17:52:21


 


Old, already sick man dies of flu, then. I wonder how many old men have died from regular flu in the UK so far this year?


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Question is, did he die of the Corona virus or the  "underlying illness"  - i.e should he be on the list as the first death caused by it  ?


 


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
NickR
05 March 2020 17:55:17

Why do we keep being told the running total of how many have ever tested positive, and the number who have died, but NOT the number who have recovered ......

Good way to maintain a climate of fear, I suppose.

(Unless, of course, no-one has ever recovered?)

Originally Posted by: Essan 


a) We are being told that. I've specifically seen numbers for China and Italy for how many have recovered:


b) In many cases recovery takes weeks, so we're not at the stage where there would be that many to report, added to which they clearly don't want to put someone down as having recovered only for it to prove premature - AFAIK it takes several negative test results in a row for someone to be declared recovered;


c) If someone hasn't died, an educated guess tells you they are either receiving treatment or have recovered;


d) How's your tinfoil hat?

Nick
Durham
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xioni2
05 March 2020 17:56:58


Tragic news. Its downhill from now. This is when panic will set in.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I don't think panic will set in at all. 

Gandalf The White
05 March 2020 17:57:14


 


I take a biologist's view of this, Brian. Evolution will have its way. Facebook, Twitter or whatever - if people wish to wade through the social media garbage and work themselves up into a state - that's fine. It's freedom of speech - however stupid and ill informed. Best to let them folks post freely. They need only pay attention if posters give their sources or at least demonstrate some basic knowledge and logical thought.


I'm as knowledgeable as I can make myself just now, as prepared as possible, sufficiently aware of probable risks, resigned to the fact that we may get Covid-19 virus, hopeful we will both survive it, sanguine if regretful about the possibility of one or both of us dying. Life's been good.


Roger


p.s. the senior garden jackdaw has been renamed. He is now Corvid-1.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


 


LOL.


Is that what they call gallows humour...?


But you're right: whatever sensible measures we take there's (a) a dependence on others taking sensible measures and (b) that random element of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Like you we're being philosophical about this; there's no point in getting agitated about it. Que sera sera, as they say.


 


Just back from the weekly shopping run and I can report that the local Tesco had run out of certain types of flour, baked beans and that there were more empty spaces on the shelves than usual. The guy at the pharmacy section was telling me that they were selling paracetamol in much greater numbers than usual.


And of course, no travel-size hand gel anywhere.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gavin D
05 March 2020 17:58:17

Heavy Weather 2013
05 March 2020 17:58:46

The Paris Marathon has been postponed until the Autumn.


My housemate was meant to do that and the Tokyo Marathon.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 March 2020 18:01:59


 


I don't think panic will set in at all. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I think you might be wrong.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gandalf The White
05 March 2020 18:02:58


 


a) We are being told that. I've specifically seen numbers for China and Italy for how many have recovered:


b) In many cases recovery takes weeks, so we're not at the stage where there would be that many to report, added to which they clearly don't want to put someone down as having recovered only for it to prove premature - AFAIK it takes several negative test results in a row for someone to be declared recovered;


c) If someone hasn't died, an educated guess tells you they are either receiving treatment or have recovered;


d) How's your tinfoil hat?


Originally Posted by: NickR 


I've listened to two interviews with people who have had Covid-19, one who is in Wuhan and an American from the cruise ship.  


The Wuhan guy described the symptoms: started as a cold then moved on to flu-like symptoms and then he developed breathing difficulties (pneumonia) and was admitted to hospital.


The American said it was unlike any flu he'd had - whilst in isolation he was moving around, and worked back up to 10.000 steps per day. He said the dry cough was the worst part.


 

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


agw2
  • agw2
  • Advanced Member
05 March 2020 18:03:10


 


It depends on what they buy, really. Toilet rolls are fine because you will use them eventually(well, if the Corona virus doesn't kill you at least). Also, there's no issue with buying things such as pasta, rice or other long date items. The only purchases which might be a waste would be if you buy more perishable items.


As regards Boris's suggestion that we "take it on the chin" and just get it over with, one possible motivation for delay is to spread out the impact. So instead of having everyone get it at once, you extend the period of infection so that there is less absenteeism or numbers in hospital spread out over a longer period of time instead of one shorter but much more serious bout of absenteeism/numbers in hospital. 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


 


We are laying in some long dated food items. If they haven't been used in six or nine months, and we are still here, we will give most to a food bank.

Justin W
05 March 2020 18:03:39

Depends on what you mean by 'panic'...


If you mean general lawlessness including looting and marauding, then, no, I don't think there will be panic


If you mean stocking up at the supermarket to tide you over for a couple of weeks (what the papers describe as panic buying) then, yes, there will be 'panic'


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
speckledjim
05 March 2020 18:05:10


 


I don't think panic will set in at all. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Clearly some will panic but just like on this forum it will be a minority 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
doctormog
05 March 2020 18:07:55


 


I do wonder if this will leave some  permanent changes.   Some of the measures chime with what St. Greta  is saying :-


 



  1. Working from home (less polluting travel)

  2. Teaching from home (less polluting travel / less expensive   teachers / less expensive schools )

  3. Less   air travel  more teleconferencing (less polluting travel)


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Anyone suggesting that teaching young people from home as the norm is even remotely realistic (excuse the pun) has obviously little idea about how young people learn or how and when effective teaching works. 

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
xioni2
05 March 2020 18:09:49


If you mean stocking up at the supermarket to tide you over for a couple of weeks (what the papers describe as panic buying) then, yes, there will be 'panic'


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Probably eventually, but not now as a reaction to the first death. Most people expect the number of infected people and the number of deaths to rise.


 

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