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Polar Low
05 March 2020 19:54:39

So as we head into evening, Dow (very nervy day about virus can’t settle and hold gain) early pre trading futures approx -200 actual around -1000 (-3.8%)


around 26k mark,trying very hard to fight back late investors look for cheap cattle as I speak


 


FT  approx -110 approx (-1.6%) Goldman warns about the brink, big R


 


Rhodium (very precious metal platinum group) currently around  387 D per G -9.6 D


Gold heading very high above bench 1.65 maybe 1.67 As I speak very impressive.


Asian markets last night approx 1% gain probably ripple Fed stimulus measures.

speckledjim
05 March 2020 19:56:16




Apparently reducing the fever with paracetamol or similar is not a wise move as the fever slows down the virus while you get to work on it (not just this one).
Some studies suggest a daily dose of Vitamin D in countries with limited sunshine can reduce respiratory infection severity by up to 50%.
This is possibly a contributory factor in the seasonal decline of colds and flu.


Originally Posted by: four 


Ive been taking vitamin d during winter for a couple of years now and haven’t even come down with a cold. It definitely works. 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Polar Low
05 March 2020 20:26:31

Yep F increasingly body temperature makes it harder for the bacteria and viruses that cause infections to survive.


Hence human body is no fool with fever response.


Also have been using a sad light it does imo make me feel a little better.


 






Apparently reducing the fever with paracetamol or similar is not a wise move as the fever slows down the virus while you get to work on it (not just this one).
Some studies suggest a daily dose of Vitamin D in countries with limited sunshine can reduce respiratory infection severity by up to 50%.
This is possibly a contributory factor in the seasonal decline of colds and flu.
That's a small normal dose in advance not take a double dose if you feel something starting.
Making more effort to be in sun will help too of course.


Originally Posted by: four 

Arcus
05 March 2020 20:27:12
A couple of relevant points having had a chat to my contact this evening:

1. The "Two strains" issue - not something to be relied upon in relation to aggressive/non-aggressive nature, and where those strains are present
2. The numbers being talked about on NHS provision: 5,000 ICU beds have been talked about and the capacity to accommodate this nationally. First - it's not as simple as looking at the number of ICU beds - any ICU hosting a Covid-19 patient will immediately be unable to host any other "normal" ICU patient. Many "normal" ICU patients will be extremely susceptible to such infection, so separate ICU units will need to be created.
3. Transfer to wards after ICU also similarly complicated - "normal" patients also prone to infection due to immuno-issues.
4. It's not the beds and equipment, it will be the number of staff required to maintain the care.

If only we could build new hospitals in a matter of weeks like a command economy. Where's Nick fluffing Knowles when you need him.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Maunder Minimum
05 March 2020 20:35:50

A couple of relevant points having had a chat to my contact this evening:

1. The "Two strains" issue - not something to be relied upon in relation to aggressive/non-aggressive nature, and where those strains are present
2. The numbers being talked about on NHS provision: 5,000 ICU beds have been talked about and the capacity to accommodate this nationally. First - it's not as simple as looking at the number of ICU beds - any ICU hosting a Covid-19 patient will immediately be unable to host any other "normal" ICU patient. Many "normal" ICU patients will be extremely susceptible to such infection, so separate ICU units will need to be created.
3. Transfer to wards after ICU also similarly complicated - "normal" patients also prone to infection due to immuno-issues.
4. It's not the beds and equipment, it will be the number of staff required to maintain the care.

If only we could build new hospitals in a matter of weeks like a command economy. Where's Nick fluffing Knowles when you need him.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Talking to my son-in-law this evening, if this thing ramps up, the NHS plan is to designate hospitals for dealing with ICU corona virus cases for the reasons you give - so that means longer ambulance rides for those needing ICU for other reasons, if the local hospital is occupied by CV patients. They want to separate CV and non-CV patients and medical staff as much as they possibly can.


They are also placing portakabins at all hospitals, for pre-admission checks to see whether someone is presenting with CV or not. How they keep the patients apart in those whilst they are checking, I don't know.


P.S. The other thing he said was that it was very unfortunate indeed that the Italian outbreak co-incided with half term for most European countries - guaranteed spread as people went skiing in northern Italy.

New world order coming.
Polar Low
05 March 2020 20:37:33

Yes Ben I lost a son 10 years ago and I made the point about icu or picu patents and hoping many like RB GOSH would really now have tight and renewed  procedures  I was hoping that maybe  self testing stripe before even entering and then only immediate family like mum and dad would be allowed in.


 



A couple of relevant points having had a chat to my contact this evening:

1. The "Two strains" issue - not something to be relied upon in relation to aggressive/non-aggressive nature, and where those strains are present
2. The numbers being talked about on NHS provision: 5,000 ICU beds have been talked about and the capacity to accommodate this nationally. First - it's not as simple as looking at the number of ICU beds - any ICU hosting a Covid-19 patient will immediately be unable to host any other "normal" ICU patient. Many "normal" ICU patients will be extremely susceptible to such infection, so separate ICU units will need to be created.
3. Transfer to wards after ICU also similarly complicated - "normal" patients also prone to infection due to immuno-issues.
4. It's not the beds and equipment, it will be the number of staff required to maintain the care.

If only we could build new hospitals in a matter of weeks like a command economy. Where's Nick fluffing Knowles when you need him.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Saint Snow
05 March 2020 20:49:04



If only we could build new hospitals in a matter of weeks like a command economy. Where's Nick fluffing Knowles when you need him.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


There are scores of hospital facilities around the country that could be used. Apologies for banging on about this, but the government could order an emergency suspension of all private health procedures, sequester the hospitals and co-opt the staff, and equip/set these up as emergency CV treatment centres. 


Let's face it, a company director having to wait half a year to have his tennis/golf elbow treated, and his wife to have her bunions done really can wait.


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Maunder Minimum
05 March 2020 20:53:48


There are scores of hospital facilities around the country that could be used. Apologies for banging on about this, but the government could order an emergency suspension of all private health procedures, sequester the hospitals and co-opt the staff, and equip/set these up as emergency CV treatment centres. 


Let's face it, a company director having to wait half a year to have his tennis/golf elbow treated, and his wife to have her bunions done really can wait.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


This may surprise you, but that is a course of action which is being actively considered. The only problem is that not many of those facilities have NHS standard ICU capabilities.

New world order coming.
Arcus
05 March 2020 20:56:54


 


 


There are scores of hospital facilities around the country that could be used. Apologies for banging on about this, but the government could order an emergency suspension of all private health procedures, sequester the hospitals and co-opt the staff, and equip/set these up as emergency CV treatment centres. 


Let's face it, a company director having to wait half a year to have his tennis/golf elbow treated, and his wife to have her bunions done really can wait.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I wholeheartedly agree form where you're coming from Saint - but private hospitals won't solve the ICU issue. However absolutely they should be commandeered for segregation for post-ICU wards. Problem is that they are physically separate from the NHS ICU units, and transfer would be a big problem in an already stretched ambulance service.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Polar Low
05 March 2020 21:03:50

Maybe we could use the expected closed schools for much need treatment places like school halls, classrooms with maybe staff of experience in medical matters to utilise the space and experience  much of the icu is transferable perhaps it’s more about the numbers of equipment.


deep clean afterwards when pressure is off and any case children will beat up this virus to death.

Darren S
05 March 2020 21:12:27




That's what I thought - some at least, of not most/all of the early victims are now fine.  I think this should be made more of, rather than a constant negative spin on things.   My tinfoil hat is buzzing 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


BBC article now clarifies it:


Of the 116 cases:



  • 1 dead

  • 18 recovered

  • 45 self-isolating at home

  • By inference, the remaining 52 are in hospital.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51759602

Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
doctormog
05 March 2020 21:12:34


Maybe we could use the expected closed schools for much need treatment places like school halls, classrooms with maybe staff of experience in medical matters to utilise the space and experience  much of the icu is transferable perhaps it’s more about the numbers of equipment.


deep clean afterwards when pressure is off and any case children will beat up this virus to death.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Thankfully at present it is not “expected” that schools will close. Hopefully that will not change.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Bugglesgate
05 March 2020 21:14:26


 


This may surprise you, but that is a course of action which is being actively considered. The only problem is that not many of those facilities have NHS standard ICU capabilities.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


Indeed.  The private sector  really "majors" on hernias, cosmetic  stuff, minor orthopaedic stuff (etc). 


The NHS  does the "heavy lifting" / life threatening   stuff.  That's not to say that they couldn't be used as recovery / isolation units.  I should have thought there are going to be  a lot of cased that are serious enough to warrant  hospitalisation but short  of requiring  full life support.


 


 


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Quantum
05 March 2020 21:17:15

I only drink proper milk. None of this nut/soya/whatever nonsense.

Originally Posted by: westv 


I've found vegan substitutes can be okay. Sausages, cheese even meat can taste fairly authentic. But they can't get milk right at all. I'd say the best one is soy but that is inferior to even the UHT cow milk (although then again, I quite like UHT milk).


 


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 3 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Quantum
05 March 2020 21:20:12


 


 


Don't!


You'll have Maunder and Q salivating (or something else) with misanthropic glee.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Anything mathsy or physicsy will be the last to be replaced by AI, so I think of my masters in physics as a bit of an investment.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 3 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Maunder Minimum
05 March 2020 21:23:07


Indeed.  The private sector  really "majors" on hernias, cosmetic  stuff, minor orthopaedic stuff (etc). 


The NHS  does the "heavy lifting" / life threatening   stuff.  That's not to say that they couldn't be used as recovery / isolation units.  I should have thought there are going to be  a lot of cased that are serious enough to warrant  hospitalisation but short  of requiring  full life support.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


My sister in NI had her bunions done privately a couple of years ago - the private hospitals have good recovery suites, but lack intensive care capabilities - as you say, if something goes drastically wrong, the patient is transferred to the NHS to pick up the pieces. So if the private sector is co-opted in to assist with a corona virus epidemic, I would imagine it would be for patients in recovery, but still too weak to be discharged.

New world order coming.
Arcus
05 March 2020 21:25:09


 


This may surprise you, but that is a course of action which is being actively considered. The only problem is that not many of those facilities have NHS standard ICU capabilities.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


None of them have those facilities. They are elective locations for relatively minor procedures. They do however have the staff and beds to accommodate those that do not need ICU treatment. They will be acquired for the national good I'm sure.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Maunder Minimum
05 March 2020 21:28:07


Don't!


You'll have Maunder and Q salivating (or something else) with misanthropic glee.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Hypocrite! You are the one who was salivating yesterday over the prospect of elderly Conservative voters and Brexit voters (which includes you) dying off in their thousands. It appears to be the left who enjoy the prospect of geneocide for those they disagree with (although on the Brexit referendum question, you are clearly schizoid, having voted for Brexit yourself).

New world order coming.
Quantum
05 March 2020 21:28:30


 


None of them have those facilities. They are elective locations for relatively minor procedures. They do however have the staff and beds to accommodate those that do not need ICU treatment. They will be acquired for the national good I'm sure.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Quarantine centres/prisons.


 


China was basically arresting anyone with a sniffle.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 3 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Polar Low
05 March 2020 21:33:58

Maybe some of the community hospitals used for short term reablement could be used?


good discussion in here tonight btw.


 



 


None of them have those facilities. They are elective locations for relatively minor procedures. They do however have the staff and beds to accommodate those that do not need ICU treatment. They will be acquired for the national good I'm sure.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Maunder Minimum
05 March 2020 21:40:34

Another senior Iranian politician died today:


"Hossein Sheikholeslam, Iran’s former ambassador to Syria and former advisor to current Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif. He was 67 years old."


By all accounts, many of Iran's MPs (or their equivalent) are suffering from the virus - unfortunately the Supreme Leader himself, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appears to be in rude health.

New world order coming.
Saint Snow
05 March 2020 21:41:33


 


Hypocrite! You are the one who was salivating yesterday over the prospect of elderly Conservative voters and Brexit voters (which includes you) dying off in their thousands. It appears to be the left who enjoy the prospect of geneocide for those they disagree with (although on the Brexit referendum question, you are clearly schizoid, having voted for Brexit yourself).


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Tom Oxon
05 March 2020 21:44:53



If only we could build new hospitals in a matter of weeks like a command economy. Where's Nick fluffing Knowles when you need him.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


They're not hospitals, they're morgues.

S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
Chunky Pea
05 March 2020 21:49:54
Thought this was an interesting short video on the 'old Corona'


Don't know who is narrating it, but I like his voice.
Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 

"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
Arcus
05 March 2020 21:54:57


 


 


They're not hospitals, they're morgues.


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


Well given that China (albeit after a stuttering start) has performed brilliantly in terms of containing the virus (WHO comment), maybe we'll be treating our afflicted in Tesco Extra pharmacies and storing the dead in the Megabowl next door.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl

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