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Saint Snow
17 March 2020 13:24:21

My wife have birth on Sunday morning and we are now back home. I was trying not to look much at the news if I'm honest. Speaking to the staff in the maternity hospital it didn't strike me that they had been given much forewarning of what is to come. Really glad she gave birth then rather than in a month or so. Next dilemma, my nearly 82 year old father lives alone. Generally good health though but when can he see his grandson...

Originally Posted by: howham 


 


Congratulations to you and your missus.


Good timing, too (although keep a good supply of nappies, as these have been subject to panic-buying)


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
xioni2
17 March 2020 13:24:23

This is superb. A brilliant, accessible, fully evidence-based account of the nature of covid-19, where we went wrong, and what must be done.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

">https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-scientific-case-against-herd-immunity/


This is an excellent account, thanks for posting Nick. Mainstream media are lacking in analysis again.

NMA
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17 March 2020 13:24:38

My wife have birth on Sunday morning and we are now back home. I was trying not to look much at the news if I'm honest. Speaking to the staff in the maternity hospital it didn't strike me that they had been given much forewarning of what is to come. Really glad she gave birth then rather than in a month or so. Next dilemma, my nearly 82 year old father lives alone. Generally good health though but when can he see his grandson...

Originally Posted by: howham 


Indeed Congratulations.


 

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xioni2
17 March 2020 13:25:42


My wife works for the NHS (admin) and she's been told by A&E staff she knows that they just had their quietest weekend for as long as anyone can remember. An odd side-effect of this crisis.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Quantum
17 March 2020 13:27:33

Genuine question.


I have the necessary chemicals and ingredients to make cheese. Do you think there is any advantage in doing so?


Will obviously keep the whey and drink it. Cheese itself will store for longer than fresh milk.


 

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
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NickR
17 March 2020 13:29:08


Genuine question.


I have the necessary chemicals and ingredients to make cheese. Do you think there is any advantage in doing so?


Will obviously keep the whey and drink it. Cheese itself will store for longer than fresh milk.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I like your thinking, Q! I've no idea. I've bought about 2 kg of cheese that I am grating and freezing.

Nick
Durham
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speckledjim
17 March 2020 13:29:48


Genuine question.


I have the necessary chemicals and ingredients to make cheese. Do you think there is any advantage in doing so?


Will obviously keep the whey and drink it. Cheese itself will store for longer than fresh milk.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I can only speak for my local Tesco. There are many empty shelves but the cheese shelf is the same as always. If you want to start making food then I'd suggest pasta...

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
xioni2
17 March 2020 13:31:13


 I like your thinking, Q! I've no idea. I've bought about 2 kg of cheese that I am grating and freezing.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


I was expecting more like 2 tonnes from you!


NickR
17 March 2020 13:34:49


 


I was expecting more like 2 tonnes from you!



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Oh, it would have been!... but I've run out of freezer space with all the frozen blueberries. ;)

Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
17 March 2020 13:36:10


Personal symptoms have improved today. Wonder if I've been in that 15% or so of asymptomatic cases. Looking at some of the studies gastrointestinal symptoms are uncommon but not unheard of. I suppose will never know if I actually had COVID or just some other virus. If I wasn't linked to a confirmed case I'd say the later. In 'our cluster' there was also one other case of a person that did not develop symptoms but was definitely exposed. I have a flow chart linking back to a confirmed case and there are quite alot of cases all with very similar symptoms and with an enphasis on the gastrointestinal symptoms (but also often with fever/cough).


But yeh I've ruled out food poisoning. Because the scope is far beyond just me and my GF. Besides she's a vegan anyway so we don't often eat the same thing.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You will be able to find out - tests will be coming on the market which will show if you have the antibodies which would have been caused by an infection.

New world order coming.
Quantum
17 March 2020 13:36:17


 


 


I can only speak for my local Tesco. There are many empty shelves but the cheese shelf is the same as always. If you want to start making food then I'd suggest pasta...


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


As a means to preserve eggs?


The bulk of the calorific content of pasta will be the wheat flower and that can be stored indefinitely for all intents and purposes.


 


Plus you can use chickpeas as an emulsifier if you really get desparate!


 

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18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
xioni2
17 March 2020 13:38:09


 Plus you can use chickpeas as an emulsifier if you really get desparate!


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Not desperate at all, my chickpea chocolate mouse is famous and popular!


 

Gandalf The White
17 March 2020 13:38:10


 


Good sign at least.


We need to get ridiculous stuff like morons getting into fights  down. Perhaps introduce a rule where we breathalize people going into A and E and don't treat people above a certain threashold.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Staying two metres apart should help reduce the amount of fighting.


😉

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Saint Snow
17 March 2020 13:40:05


 


Not desperate at all, my chickpea chocolate mouse is famous and popular!


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Quantum
17 March 2020 13:40:08


 


Not desperate at all, my chickpea chocolate mouse is famous and popular!


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


You sound like my gf with all these vegan abominations!


What's wrong with a nice traditional pancake with actual eggs!


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
four
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17 March 2020 13:41:33


Genuine question.


I have the necessary chemicals and ingredients to make cheese. Do you think there is any advantage in doing so?


Will obviously keep the whey and drink it. Cheese itself will store for longer than fresh milk.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Milk in plastic bottles freezes perfectly well, you just have to take it out about 24 hours in advance as thawing is very slow.
There's no reason to buy more except avoiding shopping for longer - it's one of few things we are more or less self sufficient in.

North York Moors weather 
NMA
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17 March 2020 13:43:04


 You sound like my gf with all these vegan abominations!


What's wrong with a nice traditional pancake with actual eggs!


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There are no eggs left on the shelves.


And you might be better bottling rather than freezing stuff. 


Have you tried pickled eggs?

Vale of the Great Dairies
South Dorset
Elevation 60m 197ft
chelseagirl
17 March 2020 13:44:38


Ghost flight?


https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR4667/243613e3


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I am booked on a Ryanair flight to Spain on Saturday. Obviously, I am not going however, Ryanair are not cancelling the flights, which means that I cannot get a refund.  It is impossible to go on the site and get a refund for anything. There are problems with the site accepting booking references of people whose flights have been cancelled. It keeps telling them that their ref is wrong. Funnily enough, if you want to change dates, it does work! Once flights ARE changed, it then charges you twice for luggage, and the new dates prices are far and away much more than if you were making a direct booking. I am assuming here that Ryanair are avoiding cancelling flights so they can avoid refunding people.  They are unable to get through on app/website/web chat/email/DM/ or phone so are appearing as a no show, therefore no refund. 

The Fenlands of Cambridgeshire
speckledjim
17 March 2020 13:46:42


 


As a means to preserve eggs?


The bulk of the calorific content of pasta will be the wheat flower and that can be stored indefinitely for all intents and purposes.


 


Plus you can use chickpeas as an emulsifier if you really get desparate!


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Didn't know you were trying to preserve eggs. I get mine from my local farmer so no issues there.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Maunder Minimum
17 March 2020 13:46:56


My wife works for the NHS (admin) and she's been told by A&E staff she knows that they just had their quietest weekend for as long as anyone can remember. An odd side-effect of this crisis.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Same round here - hospitals are very quiet - there have been a very few people hospitalised because they are requiring ICU on account of COVID-19, but normal A&E is earily quiet. I guess people are not having car accidents, falling out of trees or slicing themselves with chainsaws. Muggers and knifers have nobody around to mug or knife and old dears are not collapsing at the supermarkets and shops because they are staying at home. But there will still be patients with acute conditions like appendicitus who will need treatment, there will be no let up in cardiac arrests or other sudden critical conditions.


To be honest, a lot of people present at A & E who don't really need to and perhaps if they fall over and graze a knee or bang a head, they are dealing with it themselves.


Calm before the storm if the modellers have it right and in some areas (most notably London I presume), the explosive growth in cases is already occurring.


 

New world order coming.
Quantum
17 March 2020 13:47:47


 


There are no eggs left on the shelves.


And you might be better bottling rather than freezing stuff. 


Have you tried pickled eggs?


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Is it really worth it though? Eggs have no calories. They do have good micronutritional value but macronutrients are the main concern in a crisis.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
xioni2
17 March 2020 13:47:49


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


tell that to my meat eating mates who keep asking for it. It's pretty amazing actually, one of the best I've ever tasted (good chocolate makes most of the difference anyway).


 

RobN
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17 March 2020 13:49:38


 


I am booked on a Ryanair flight to Spain on Saturday. Obviously, I am not going however, Ryanair are not cancelling the flights, which means that I cannot get a refund.  It is impossible to go on the site and get a refund for anything. There are problems with the site accepting booking references of people whose flights have been cancelled. It keeps telling them that their ref is wrong. Funnily enough, if you want to change dates, it does work! Once flights ARE changed, it then charges you twice for luggage, and the new dates prices are far and away much more than if you were making a direct booking. I am assuming here that Ryanair are avoiding cancelling flights so they can avoid refunding people.  They are unable to get through on app/website/web chat/email/DM/ or phone so are appearing as a no show, therefore no refund. 


Originally Posted by: chelseagirl 


One of the huge bonuses from this crisis would be if Ryanair went bust. That company does not deserve to exist.

Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Rob K
17 March 2020 13:50:16
I am currently sitting in the sunshine on a bench well away from any other people, with a flask of coffee. I have to say getting out on my bike has made me feel much better. I hope we don’t go down the French route of total isolation. I haven’t been within 5 metres of anyone except those driving past.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
xioni2
17 March 2020 13:51:49

I am currently sitting in the sunshine on a bench well away from any other people, with a flask of coffee. I have to say getting out on my bike has made me feel much better. I hope we don’t go down the French route of total isolation. I haven’t been within 5 metres of anyone except those driving past.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I'd advise this together with the US approach: get a semi-automatic and stop anyone coming near you.


 

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