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xioni2
20 March 2020 14:17:35


 That is such bollox – it absolutely is the time for it. HMG is failing on so many fronts and this must be pointed out. Otherwise they would have just let the virus 'rip'. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Agreed and the opposition is failing to criticise the government for its half measures, poor communication messy strategy. Lots of chickens will come home to roost in the next few weeks and months.

Maunder Minimum
20 March 2020 14:20:09


Of course, all this will change once the "have you had it" test comes out. If it shows you've had it, imagine the freedom!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Looks like having had it does not confer the kind of immunity some would hope - this extract from the BBC Website outlines the issues:


"How close are we to getting a vaccine?


Research is happening at breakneck speed.


There are more than 20 vaccines in development.


One has begun human trials after unusually skipping any animal research to test either the safety or the effectiveness of the vaccine.


Other scientists are at the animal research stage and hope to get the results of human trials later in the year.


But even if scientists can celebrate having developed a vaccine this year, there is still the massive job of being able to mass-produce it.


It means, realistically, one would not be ready until at least the middle of next year.


All of this is happening on an unprecedented timescale and using new approaches to vaccines, so there are no guarantees everything will go smoothly.


Remember there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them."


For vaccine, read immunity from having had it - like the common cold, you will still catch it. There is one positive, the common cold does not kill you and as we adapt as a host species to COVID-19, it may ultimately become nothing more tiresome than getting the occasional cold. We live with colds and influenza, because even though we catch them, we have built up some resistance to their effects. When the Conquistadors went to the Americas, they exposed the indigenous peoples to viruses they had never encountered previously and they more or less wiped them out - but that is history.


 


New world order coming.
Quantum
20 March 2020 14:20:48

One thing that would be useful right now is a sense of civic nationalism or patriotism. People view it as a pathology these days, but in times like this it is a useful force to get people to pull together.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
20 March 2020 14:21:48

People are all very cynical about 'flag waving' and so on, but pride in one's country is something that does have it's benefits.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
20 March 2020 14:23:20


 


Agreed and the opposition is failing to criticise the government for its half measures, poor communication messy strategy. Lots of chickens will come home to roost in the next few weeks and months.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Phew! That should ease the foot shortages at least.


I'll get my coat.....


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Essan
20 March 2020 14:25:14

When the Conquistadors went to the Americas, they exposed the indigenous peoples to viruses they had never encountered previously and they more or less wiped them out - but that is history.


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 



Good point there: when first introduced by Europeans,  the common cold killed millions of Americans.   It doesn't today.


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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xioni2
20 March 2020 14:25:54


People are all very cynical about 'flag waving' and so on, but pride in one's country is something that does have it's benefits.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It's best if I don't express right now my sentiments about our country and esp its leadership.  

Maunder Minimum
20 March 2020 14:32:51


One thing that would be useful right now is a sense of civic nationalism or patriotism. People view it as a pathology these days, but in times like this it is a useful force to get people to pull together.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


We all need to be nationalists now, just the same as if we were engaged in total war.


We are engaged in total war, but the enemy is invisible.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
20 March 2020 14:32:53


One thing that would be useful right now is a sense of civic nationalism or patriotism. People view it as a pathology these days, but in times like this it is a useful force to get people to pull together.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


We don't need that on our WhatsApp group. Two people have already been round to my house today to collect things we don't need. Not a sniff of patriotism. It's called community spirit.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Justin W
20 March 2020 14:33:55


People are all very cynical about 'flag waving' and so on, but pride in one's country is something that does have it's benefits.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I feel a sense of love of landscape and of place and of community. But I have no sense of pride in this country's institutions, government or people. Pride in 'one's country' is the refuge of the terminally unconscious.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
20 March 2020 14:34:56


 


We all need to be nationalists now, just the same as if we were engaged in total war.


We are engaged in total war, but the enemy is invisible.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I would rather help people in Italy than the selfish English scum out in Wetherspoons every night. I wouldn't p1ss on them if they were on fire.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
bledur
20 March 2020 14:36:03


 


This isn't a joke!


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


 No it certainly is not and will hit home the fact that the population wanted to pay less and less of their income on food and more on lifestyle they might realise what is important.

Quantum
20 March 2020 14:37:53


 


We don't need that on our WhatsApp group. Two people have already been round to my house today to collect things we don't need. Not a sniff of patriotism. It's called community spirit.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Patriotism is just community spirit on a national scale.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
20 March 2020 14:41:06

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/gardai-find-pub-open-west-17954064


This is what's happening with pubs in Ireland.


Very few pubs are open anywhere. The very few that do open are being told that if they open, this fact will be noted in their annual licencing renewal applications next September.


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Justin W
20 March 2020 14:41:06


 


Patriotism is just community spirit on a national scale.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Patriotism is an unconscious and unnatural learned belief system through which people who are not self aware are manipulated by others.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 14:41:40


 


So only about 600 million people living in Lombardy then. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It said per death....


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
20 March 2020 14:43:04


 


Patriotism is an unconscious and unnatural learned belief system through which people who are not self aware are manipulated by others.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


People need to be manipulated into social distancing. That's the point.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Justin W
20 March 2020 14:44:27


 


People need to be manipulated into social distancing. That's the point.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Total non sequitur.


Seems to me that it is all the 'patriots' in Wetherspoons who are resistant to social distancing.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
bledur
20 March 2020 14:45:05


 


I agree. Seed potatoes need to be cut in half to double the crop. Herbicides rationed. None grass eating meat animals semi culled for food (some could keep a pig fed on scraps). Agricultural workers protected and more trained (at a distance).


We also need ration books, and a minimum income scheme. People need to retrain and quickly, alternative crops need to be in now or by mid April. Food crops, not food for animals.


I've written to MP in similar vein.


Anyone reading with a garden?  Dig it and plant potatoes, leeks or onions - garden centres have them.


Money? We need it to retain some value.


 


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


 Far too wet here for planting potatoes. Used to grow a few acres of maincrop and never sowed before early April at earliest. Used to sell at Farm gate till got done by Weights and measures . My sacks were overweight.

Quantum
20 March 2020 14:48:44


 


Total non sequitur.


Seems to me that it is all the 'patriots' in Wetherspoons who are resistant to social distancing.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Sure but what I mean is that all of us behaviing like patriots and nationalists acting in a way that is for the good of our country is something we should all be doing. Like I say patriotism has been a very useful tool in the past to get through national crises.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
20 March 2020 14:48:53


https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/gardai-find-pub-open-west-17954064


This is what's happening with pubs in Ireland.


Very few pubs are open anywhere. The very few that do open are being told that if they open, this fact will be noted in their annual licencing renewal applications next September.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


You are way behind in poor Ireland, Lionel. You don't have our behaviour experts and our nudge units, which say that people cannot be told to stay away from social places, they have to be nudged. We are far ahead in this country, magnificient, exceptional!


 

xioni2
20 March 2020 14:50:08


 Sure but what I mean is that all of us behaviing like patriots and nationalists acting in a way that is for the good of our country is something we should all be doing. Like I say patriotism has been a very useful tool in the past to get through national crises.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I think I could help the country much more if I had a semi automatic.

Justin W
20 March 2020 14:50:53


 


Sure but what I mean is that all of us behaviing like patriots and nationalists acting in a way that is for the good of our country is something we should all be doing. Like I say patriotism has been a very useful tool in the past to get through national crises.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I don't need to be patriotic or nationalistic to take care to ensure that I don't murder people. I want everybody to be safe - here, in France, in Burkina Faso... everywhere. The British state is nowhere in my thinking


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Heavy Weather 2013
20 March 2020 14:51:28

Today's figures are delayed yet again.


Other countries seem to be able to give updates at scheduled times.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Devonian
20 March 2020 14:52:22


 


 Far too wet here for planting potatoes. Used to grow a few acres of maincrop and never sowed before early April at earliest. Used to sell at Farm gate till got done by Weights and measures . My sacks were overweight.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Think about what is going on man! You're a fool if you think you're immune or taking the pi** will mean you wont catch it.

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