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xioni2
20 March 2020 15:58:17


​Spain hopes to 'flatten curve in two weeks'


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


UK Government hopes to flatten the country in two months.

Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 15:59:49


 


The virus doesn't care what you think about brexit.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Can we keep Brexit out of these threads please. 


In passing, I'm afraid you've missed Justin's point: it wasn't about Brexit, it was about the marshalling of patriotic feelings to gain support for Brexit.


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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:00:01


New York ahead of London now. Remember that Tim Martin wants to keep his pubs open.  


 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


You mean they didn't get the memo either? Are we the only ones on the planet who get it?


 

Justin W
20 March 2020 16:00:43


 


UK Government hopes to flatten the country in two months.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 



Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin D
20 March 2020 16:01:10
18 of the 39 new deaths in England in the past 24 hours were in London
Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 16:01:30


 


UK Government hopes to flatten the country in two months.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


LOL


Really?


 


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Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 16:03:33


 


You mean they didn't get the memo either? Are we the only ones on the planet who get it?


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Donald said they had it all under control. Fantastically well under control. Nobody has done a greater job.


Etc....


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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:04:46


 Anyhow - more from the China article:


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

 


I don't know the author, but it sounds a bit like sour grapes to me and who knows, he might even be a Sinophobe. I may dislike their regime and have lots of concerns about many things in China, but I think there is also a lot of bullsh1t written about them too.


You should really love them anyway, they are on the straight and sacred road of nationalism and increasingly capitalism too.


Expect China to increasingly start blaming the hopeless West about covid-19.


 


 

Chunky Pea
20 March 2020 16:05:22


 


Eh? To applaud this country standing alone against the Nazi regime, does not diminish in any way the massive endurance and suffering of others.


Your comment simply does not compute.


Anyhow, interesting article here:


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/beijing_fears_covid-19_is_turning_point_for_china_globalization__142686.html


"...


The communist government instead is claiming that it has largely controlled the epidemic, even as it suspiciously now blames “foreign arrivals” for new cases of virus. Leaked video from China shows huge lines at a hospital in Chongqing, for example, raising questions about just what is happening around the country.  


What Beijing cares about is clear from its sustained war on global public opinion. Chinese propaganda mouthpieces have launched a broad array of attacks against the facts, attempting to create a new narrative about China’s historic victory over the Wuhan virus. Chinese state media is praising the government’s “effective, responsible governance," but the truth is that Beijing is culpable for the spread of the pathogen around China and the world. Chinese officials knew about the new virus back in December, and did nothing to warn their citizens or impose measures to curb it early on.  


..."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


This article talks of 'Chinese propaganda mouthpieces', yet how do you know that codswallop like this is not 'propaganda' in itself? Because it is obvious this isn't really about the virus in itself, but just an excuse to have a pop at what it considers to be a 'communist government'. 


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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:08:03


 This article talks of 'Chinese propaganda mouthpieces', yet how do you know that codswallop like this is not 'propaganda' in itself? Because it is obvious this isn't really about the virus in itself, but just an excuse to have a pop at what it considers to be a 'communist government'. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Precisely, he even links to a video posted 10 days ago without any information on what exactly it is or where it was filmed. 

Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 16:12:47


 


I agree the situation in China is very interesting. The only thing I would say is they found it impossible to keep the original outbreak under wraps. If a second and bigger wave is now happening how on earth will they be able to prevent news about it leaking out?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I would have used the word 'worrying' or 'predictable'.  China has used this crisis to extend its tentacles of control even deeper into people's lives and the state has now embarked on a propaganda war to trick people into believing that the virus didn't originate in a market in Wuhan. I read that a senior military man had been tasked with spearheading the propaganda war. One line of attack was that US troops brought the virus to Wuhan during a visit late last year....


I have held the view for many years now that our increasing reliance on an undemocratic one party state, which we have steadily enriched, was fraught with danger. I didn't have a global pandemic in mind but perhaps that will force a reevaluation.


 China has always managed the news story. As it has been busy kicking out foreign journalists our ability to learn the truth is being constrained.


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Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 16:16:11


 


This article talks of 'Chinese propaganda mouthpieces', yet how do you know that codswallop like this is not 'propaganda' in itself? Because it is obvious this isn't really about the virus in itself, but just an excuse to have a pop at what it considers to be a 'communist government'. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Er, because the Chinese state exerts complete control of the local media and keeps control of foreign reporters.


Did you miss the expulsion of reporters representing US media outlets? The excuse was racism against the Chinese people for daring to point out that SARS-cov2 originated in a market in Wuhan.  If you don't find that sinister then I'd be amazed.


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Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 16:17:19


 


Precisely, he even links to a video posted 10 days ago without any information on what exactly it is or where it was filmed. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


That does not invalidate his comment.


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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:18:03

I see our friend and ally Erdogan (or at least Turkey) has been withholding for 15 days now 200,000 masks ordered and paid by the Italian hospitals. I don't know the details, but it sounds like he is using this in his tug of war with Europe.

xioni2
20 March 2020 16:19:05


 That does not invalidate his comment.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


No, but he should have provided more background to it and his comments are pretty weak anyway. 

Chunky Pea
20 March 2020 16:20:49


 China has always managed the news story. As it has been busy kicking out foreign journalists our ability to learn the truth is being constrained.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Journalists are journalists whether they are 'foreign' or not. 


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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:24:33


 Er, because the Chinese state exerts complete control of the local media and keeps control of foreign reporters.


Did you miss the expulsion of reporters representing US media outlets? The excuse was racism against the Chinese people for daring to point out that SARS-cov2 originated in a market in Wuhan.  If you don't find that sinister then I'd be amazed.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I agree on what you say about China, but the Wuhan market is just the most likely origin of the virus. We don't know yet with scientific 'certainty' where and when exactly it originated from (likely to be China though). I don't know if we'll ever find out either as it's now becoming politicised and science will suffer.


Edit (to be fair), this is what the WHO says: On 11 and 12 January 2020, WHO received further detailed information from the National Health Commission China that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan City. 


 

Justin W
20 March 2020 16:26:05

UK death toll up 40 in last 24 hours. Biggest daily rise so far.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
20 March 2020 16:31:32


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Chunky Pea
20 March 2020 16:31:40


I see our friend and ally Erdogan (or at least Turkey) has been withholding for 15 days now 200,000 masks ordered and paid by the Italian hospitals. I don't know the details, but it sounds like he is using this in his tug of war with Europe.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 Erdogan would do well to keep this truism in mind:


"It is the stillest words which brings the storm".


 


 


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Retron
20 March 2020 16:34:21


UK death toll up 40 in last 24 hours. Biggest daily rise so far.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Better get used to the bit in bold. Logarithmic increases would mean that'll be the case for most days over the next couple of weeks at the very least (and judging by the way it's almost business as usual, probably more weeks beyond that).


 


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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:36:51


Consultant in acute and respiratory medicine at Northwick Park hospital in north London has passed on this:


Just want to say – I’ve seen quite a few people with Covid 19 since Sunday.


I’ve never known anything like this – but we’re planning for huge numbers of people needing intensive care and working out how to cope. We’ve managed to segregate our whole hospital into unknown (in single rooms), positive and negative areas. We’ve moved a whole intensive care unit and 4 other wards in 3 days flat – this sort of change usually takes at least 6 months to get agreed!


Dr Rachel Tennant


Consultant in Respiratory & Acute Medicine


Clinical Director for Acute Medicine.


Originally Posted by: Dr Rachel Tennant 


The above was posted by Jim just yesterday. Her hospital has now declared a major incident as it ran out of ICU capacity.


Northwick Park Hospital has declared a “critical incident” due to a surge in patients with coronavirus, the Health Service Journal reports.


In a message to staff seen by the HSJ, the hospital in Harrow said it has no critical care capacity left and has contacted neighbouring hospitals about transferring patients who need critical care to other sites.


 

Heavy Weather 2013
20 March 2020 16:38:26
So a London hospital already declaring a critical incident. I suspect carnage this weekend as the dominos fall.
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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:41:16

So a London hospital already declaring a critical incident. I suspect carnage this weekend as the dominos fall.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It's even worse, see my post above. This is the same hospital that the consultant had written about the huge preparations and ICU expansion.


Cheers to that as Beast would say.

Chichesterweatherfan2
20 March 2020 16:41:39
Truly horrendous situation in Northwick Park Hospital...and total and utter respect to medical people putting their lives on the line literally... I am a life long opponent of the death penalty ....but might be willing to make an exception for Tim Martin and his utter nonsense encouraging people to go to his wretched pubs.

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