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Gooner
22 March 2020 10:55:20


People moaning about having to spend prolonged periods of home should also get a grip. This will be the easiest quarantine in human history due to the Internet and all the modern cons available. The time of the year will also help.


Imagine if it was November now just 30 years ago, proper despair!


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Excellent point made 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Bugglesgate
22 March 2020 11:03:51


 


Maybe an issue with your ISP? No slowdowns on my FTTC (Google reporting >70Mbps) or my FTTP (just under 300Mbps).


My ISPs are Merula for the FTTC and Cerberus for the FTTP.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Almost   certainly - it's B bloody T  


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Bugglesgate
22 March 2020 11:08:06

Just been talking to a neighbour who works in a  Secondary School.


Families that are in isolation sent their brats into school on Friday  becuase "it was the last day"


Do they think this is a game ?  Do they really think a Tory Govt. would close down the economy "for a laugh" ??


FFS I really despair - are people really this  f'king stupid ?  There really is no hope is there ?


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
doctormog
22 March 2020 11:12:33


 


Almost   certainly - it's B bloody T  


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I am with BT too Chris so it could be a local/infrastructure issue.


RobN
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22 March 2020 11:14:28


  Sound advice!  


Expert advice for staying healthy during this crisis emphasizes mental well being and the damage stress can do.  They recommend only catching up on virus news once or twice a day, rather than having it constantly reminding you of doom and gloom.  Get out in the fresh air instead!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


But not like this...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504


Rob
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Bolty
22 March 2020 11:21:00


People moaning about having to spend prolonged periods of home should also get a grip. This will be the easiest quarantine in human history due to the Internet and all the modern cons available. The time of the year will also help.


Imagine if it was November now just 30 years ago, proper despair!


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Indeed. We're getting the garden tied up so we can hopefully sit outside and enjoy the sunshine (weather permitting ) if we do go into total lockdown.


What amazes me though is how a few days in the house and people are already going mad. People having virtual dinner parties across Skype. Is that how pathetic the world has become nowadays? Saying that, I am a rather unsociable individual anyway, so not being in contact with many people, apart from my household, isn't really much of a change to daily life for me. I'm actually enjoying it, in fact!


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Brian Gaze
22 March 2020 11:21:26

I won't reproduce all of this article which appears in The Sunday Times today. It is in large part damning of the approach taken in the UK.


Coronavirus: did Britain get it wrong in the battle to stop the spread?


Everything you need to know about the scientific efforts to tackle Covid-19


As the fight to suppress the coronavirus pandemic grew ever more urgent last week, a two-year-old video clip from a literary festival in Wales posed an awkward question for officials still scrambling to stem the tide of infection. In May 2018 a prominent professor at Edinburgh University predicted with uncanny precision how the next major threat to UK health would evolve.


Someone in China would become infected by an animal, Devi Sridhar, the university’s professor of global public health, told an audience at the Hay Festival in Hay-on-Wye. Then they would get on a plane to Britain. If a specialist as well connected as Sridhar saw the coronavirus coming two years ago, why were we not better prepared?
...
During a discussion of government preparedness for serious health threats, Sridhar argued for a global collaborative approach. “The largest threat to the UK population is someone in China who has been infected from an animal,” she declared. “Then they get on a plane to the UK. What good is it for the UK to be worried [only] about what’s happening here? It’s about those interconnections across the world. If you want to solve those problems, you can’t do it on a go-alone approach.”


Like many other parents, Sridhar, 35, took her two children out of school last week and began working from home, where she talked at length about the insight that surfaced on that Twitter clip. She and other experts also discussed the government’s sudden change of strategy in what many consider a long-overdue effort to slow transmission of the virus and prevent the collapse of the NHS.
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“I hope I’m not being overly critical,” Sridhar said, “but this is not the first virus to emerge from this kind of setting and many things have been done in a way they should not have been done. We should not have been this surprised.”
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Sridhar complained on Thursday. “I still don’t fully understand who the government is listening to and what is the goal.”
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For Sridhar the first big missed opportunity came in late January when The Lancet, Britain’s leading medical journal, published its first account of the treatment of coronavirus patients in Wuhan. “I remember seeing that first paper and, excuse my language, I was like, ‘Oh shit,’” Sridhar said. Her old prediction was about to become horribly true. “At that point we already knew the virus was going to come [to Britain] and all we could do was buy time. What we really needed was to get testing in place. But we didn’t really respond.”


The next “sobering” moment was a report by a WHO mission that had travelled to China to study the virus. The report, published on February 24, reached two crucial conclusions: first that the impending pandemic was “extremely dangerous” and “can be a devastating virus”; the second was that China had resorted to what Bruce Aylward, leader of the mission, referred to as “the most ambitious . . . agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history”. The Chinese took “old-fashioned” measures such as hand-washing and mask-wearing, and “turbo-charged” them with an “all-of-government, all-of-society” approach that included clearing giant hospitals to make way for virus patients, moving routine health services online and imposing drastic restrictions on movement.


“At this point here in the UK we just kind of sat back and waited,” Sridhar said. “At the time we should have been running simulations. How are we going to manage with 10 or 500 cases, where are we going to get ventilators, what about supply teams and tests? We have known about the clinical need from January.”
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Today we still don’t have enough masks and gowns for medical staff. I think it’s because [the planners] messed up.” Yesterday she added by tweet: “It makes me feel nauseous how little action was taken early on. Academic navel-gazing and political in-fighting instead of bold decisive action.”
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Yet a dramatic change of government strategy last week, finally embracing the shutdown measures adopted by other countries from the start, provoked howls of frustration from many who had been bewildered by Downing Street’s dithering about whether it might be better to allow the virus to spread so Britons acquired “herd immunity”.


“I can’t help but feel angry that it has taken almost two months for politicians and even ‘experts’ to understand the scale of the danger,” Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet, tweeted on Tuesday. “Those dangers were clear from the very beginning. We have wasted seven weeks. This crisis was entirely preventable.”


Sridhar added: “We decided to take a different path to other countries, thinking we knew better. We should have been learning from other countries about breaking the chain of transmission, mass testing, tracing contacts. If we had started with the 25,000 tests a day they are promising only now, we would already be bending that curve [of transmission rate]. Every day that goes by [without government action] we need harsher and harsher measures.”
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Other scientists have long been vocal on the need for more rigorous social distancing. “The thing that is troubling me is the suggestion that the science has shifted,” said Professor Alan McNally of Birmingham University. “It has not. The transmission dynamics and infectivity of the virus has not changed at all. The trajectory of the epidemic has been very predictable if one pays attention to China, Italy, Iran, Spain.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-did-britain-get-it-wrong-in-the-battle-to-stop-the-spread-ffjvgq02c


 


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Joe Bloggs
22 March 2020 11:23:06


 


Indeed. We're getting the garden tied up so we can hopefully sit outside and enjoy the sunshine (weather permitting ) if we do go into total lockdown.


What amazes me though is how a few days in the house and people are already going mad. People haviong virtual dinner parties across Skype. Is that how pathetic the world has become nowadays? Saying that, I am a rather unsociilable individual anyway, so not being in contact with many people, apart from my household, isn't really much of a change to daily life for me. I'm actually enjoying it, in fact!


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


I beg to differ - I’m already trying to sort out ways to keep in touch with friends and family as best as I can, including by webcam etc. I don’t think it’s pathetic - I’m just preparing for what could lie ahead, as this isn’t going to be over quickly. 



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Brian Gaze
22 March 2020 11:24:46

"lambs to the slaugheter"


Some of the photos I've seen of the protective equipment being provided to Drs and nurses are truly shocking. They seem almost as primitive as the first gas masks used in the trenches (peeing into a sock and covering your face with it). 


Coronavirus: Doctors 'feel like lambs to the slaughter'


 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-51995297/coronavirus-doctors-feel-like-lambs-to-the-slaughter
 
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moomin75
22 March 2020 11:26:15

My friend remains in intensive care, but is battling like the trooper he is. He is in an induced coma with severe pneumonia and no-one is allowed to visit him at this time.


He has not improved today, but he has not deteriorated, so I guess being critical, but stable, is at least some hope for us all.


He has a close and loving family and lots of friends, who are all praying for his recovery.


He is a young man, and hopefully, god-willing, with age on his side, his body will fight this as hard as possible and he will recover.


Please continue to send positive thoughts and thank you to everyone who has taken the time to send me a private or public message.


I passed these on to his wife and she wanted to express her thanks to you all.


This place can be the best of places at times. We all disagree with other (sometimes more than ever with me!) but ultimately, we are all human beings together and we all love and care for each other.


I will keep you updated, and thanks again for sharing your love with me. xx


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doctormog
22 March 2020 11:26:24


 


I beg to differ - I’m already trying to sort out ways to keep in touch with friends and family as best as I can, including by webcam etc. I don’t think it’s pathetic - I’m just preparing for what could lie ahead, as this isn’t going to be over quickly. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Agreed Joe. On the subject of webcams, we were looking at getting an extra one if we both need to work from home and it seems they are very very hard to come by (for obvious reasons!)


Gooner
22 March 2020 11:27:46


 


Indeed. We're getting the garden tied up so we can hopefully sit outside and enjoy the sunshine (weather permitting ) if we do go into total lockdown.


What amazes me though is how a few days in the house and people are already going mad. People having virtual dinner parties across Skype. Is that how pathetic the world has become nowadays? Saying that, I am a rather unsociable individual anyway, so not being in contact with many people, apart from my household, isn't really much of a change to daily life for me. I'm actually enjoying it, in fact!


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Ye me too , I have a load of jobs that needs doing outside , the charts are looking reasonably dry 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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chelseagirl
22 March 2020 11:29:05


 


I beg to differ - I’m already trying to sort out ways to keep in touch with friends and family as best as I can, including by webcam etc. I don’t think it’s pathetic - I’m just preparing for what could lie ahead, as this isn’t going to be over quickly. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Youngest son, in Stuttgart, had a virtual session with all his mates, both UK and Germany last night. He said there was hardly any difference, as they all ended up arguing about football anyway! 🤣


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Brian Gaze
22 March 2020 11:29:12


What amazes me though is how a few days in the house and people are already going mad. People having virtual dinner parties across Skype. Is that how pathetic the world has become nowadays? Saying that, I am a rather unsociable individual anyway, so not being in contact with many people, apart from my household, isn't really much of a change to daily life for me. I'm actually enjoying it, in fact!


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


I disagree. It seems like a good idea to me. However, like going to a pub or restaurant before this all kicked off it is a matter of personal choice.


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Caz
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22 March 2020 11:30:22


 


But not like this...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504


Originally Posted by: RobN 

No. Not like that!  


NT announced last week that they were waiving fees and opening up parks and trails to the general public to help them get out in the countryside.  Now they’ve had to close our local Clumber Park, along with others across the country because they’ve become too crowded.  


It was a nice idea but sadly it didn’t work!  However, we still have lots of country walks, parks and woodlands we can roam!  We’ll be taking a walk round the river this afternoon.  Just not calling at the pub for after walk refreshments!  


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Joe Bloggs
22 March 2020 11:30:32


 


Agreed Joe. On the subject of webcams, we were looking at getting an extra one if we both need to work from home and it seems they are very very hard to come by (for obvious reasons!)


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I’ve just tested the water by doing a family video call via Facebook messenger. 


It worked quite well apart from my gran. She somehow managed to be completely oblivious to being on the call, and instead spoke to my uncle on the landline for the entire duration. Pure comedy gold!  



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doctormog
22 March 2020 11:35:14


 


I’ve just tested the water by doing a family video call via Facebook messenger. 


It worked quite well apart from my gran. She somehow managed to be completely oblivious to being on the call, and instead spoke to my uncle on the landline for the entire duration. Pure comedy gold!  


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 



Chichesterweatherfan2
22 March 2020 11:36:25
Our church has put together an online service.so we’ve had some teaching, worship and prayer ..we can also comment on a blog linked to the message....I am so grateful for the c21 technology that is enabling us to participate and share virtually....As Xioni said....imagine 30 plus years ago if this was winter time...
llamedos
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22 March 2020 11:36:26


 


I’ve just tested the water by doing a family video call via Facebook messenger. 


It worked quite well apart from my gran. She somehow managed to be completely oblivious to being on the call, and instead spoke to my uncle on the landline for the entire duration. Pure comedy gold!  


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


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doctormog
22 March 2020 11:38:48

Our church has put together an online service.so we’ve had some teaching, worship and prayer ..we can also comment on a blog linked to the message....I am so grateful for the c21 technology that is enabling us to participate and share virtually....As Xioni said....imagine 30 plus years ago if this was winter time...

Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 



Likewise CWF. Quite a few churches seem to be live streaming, which is great and hopefully may continue for the housebound after this has passed.


Brian Gaze
22 March 2020 11:39:38

Our borders would have been locked down SOONER if we were still in the EU. I expect Maunder wont be shouting loudly about this:


Coronavirus: flights from Italy, Iran and China still landing


Travellers from virus-hit countries continue to arrive daily despite the government’s domestic lockdown
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Thousands of passengers from coronavirus hotspots such as Iran, Italy and even China are flying into Britain, despite the government’s domestic lockdown.
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The revelation follows a decision by the EU last week to ban virtually all travellers from outside the bloc for 30 days.
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Passengers showing symptoms of the infection are not allowed to board flights in the three hotspot countries. Those who do take off are asked to self-isolate for 14 days on arrival in the UK, although there are no means of enforcing this.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-flights-from-italy-iran-and-china-still-landing-3v7363rxr


 


 


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Caz
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22 March 2020 11:40:41


 I beg to differ - I’m already trying to sort out ways to keep in touch with friends and family as best as I can, including by webcam etc. I don’t think it’s pathetic - I’m just preparing for what could lie ahead, as this isn’t going to be over quickly. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

  I think it’s a case of everyone doing the best they can and what suits them best!  We all need to take responsibility for our own wellbeing!l and it won’t be the same for us all! 


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springsunshine
22 March 2020 11:42:58


 


It's making me wonder if "let it rip" is actually the only available path in a free democracy. The central control to bring resources to bear on a problem like this just doesn't exist here. HMG may call in the army but how many of them are there and what resources do they have? Deployed to the streets, they'd be stretched very thin.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Iam not sure that a let it rip policy is the only way in a free democracy and it appears the govt have moved away from the herd immunity stratergy. HMG may call in the army to help out but as for total lockdown that will not happen simply because there isn`t the manpower in the police and army combined to effectively enforce it. Also I believe if it was attempted people will go along with it for a short time only and then civil unrest could very well break out.


I do however expect the announcement tomorrow or Tuesday that all shops exept food outlets and pharmacies are to close ufn.


Can someone attempt to answer the question as to why hotels were not ordered to close on Friday along with pubs,restaurants etc??


I work in the sector and am baffled by it as you can walk into most hotels as a non resident and eat in the restaurant and drink at the bar.

Brian Gaze
22 March 2020 11:45:25


 


Iam not sure that a let it rip policy is the only way in a free democracy and it appears the govt have moved away from the herd immunity stratergy. HMG may call in the army to help out but as for total lockdown that will not happen simply because there isn`t the manpower in the police and army combined to effectively enforce it. Also I believe if it was attempted people will go along with it for a short time only and then civil unrest could very well break out.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Shelter-in-place is being used in the US. I don't see why it wouldn't work here too. 


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Ulric
22 March 2020 11:48:03


Our borders would have been locked down SOONER if we were still in the EU. I expect Maunder wont be shouting loudly about this:


Coronavirus: flights from Italy, Iran and China still landing


Travellers from virus-hit countries continue to arrive daily despite the government’s domestic lockdown


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Looking at flightradar24, the origins of incoming flights today had my jaw on the floor.


The other interesting thing I noticed is the number of fast executive jets in the air, some crossing the atlantic. Many more than usual flitting between New York, London, Geneva etc.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré

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