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Gavin D
29 March 2020 09:07:02
doctormog
29 March 2020 09:07:26
The joys of dealing with an “unseen enemy”. What would be interesting to see is just how high the risk of transmission is from surfaces when traces of the virus are found. I suspect it is not quite as simple as, traces of virus on surface = high risk of infection. If that were the case then the infection rate would be absolutely astronomical as there will always be a surface that gets overlooked.

I suspect that common sense and effective hygiene will prevent most spread and excessive constant disinfection may improve the efficacy of the measures by only another tiny fraction.
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xioni2
29 March 2020 09:09:03


 Its a one man show and Trump's numbers are going through the ceiling, just like Bozo's


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


This happens in all countries regardless of how well the leader is doing. The rating of the Italian PM have shot up from 44% to >70% despite the carnage.


It's classic mass psychology, at times of national emergencies and existential threats, people rally behind their leaders and feel like they have to trust them.

Caz
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29 March 2020 09:09:33


 


I haven’t seen anywhere that suggests 72hrs for surface kill. 
Cardboard and paper a few hours, hard surface like plastic 48hrs.


There has to be a cap on the precautions otherwise it starts getting a bit crazy - in my opinion of course. I can understand if many people take extra care.


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

In my previous post there’s a link to an article that says, Prof Bloomfield suggests 72 hours. 

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llamedos
29 March 2020 09:12:11


 


This happens in all countries regardless of how well the leader is doing. The rating of the Italian PM have shot up from 44% to >70% despite the carnage.


It's classic mass psychology, at times of national emergencies and existential threats, people rally behind their leaders and feel like they have to trust them.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

A bit like TWO then with Chairman Gaze  

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xioni2
29 March 2020 09:12:55


In my previous post there’s a link to an article that says, Prof Bloomfield suggests 72 hours. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I would trust more a meta review of the literature than what a professor says, but I take Doc's point.

Caz
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29 March 2020 09:12:58

The joys of dealing with an “unseen enemy”. What would be interesting to see is just how high the risk of transmission is from surfaces when traces of the virus are found. I suspect it is not quite as simple as, traces of virus on surface = high risk of infection. If that were the case then the infection rate would be absolutely astronomical as there will always be a surface that gets overlooked.

I suspect that common sense and effective hygiene will prevent most spread and excessive constant disinfection may improve the efficacy of the measures by only another tiny fraction.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

  It’s down to us all as individuals to protect ourselves, which in turn protects others!

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Perthite1
29 March 2020 09:13:02


 


Extending to June may halt the virus until the next wave, but what lasting damage to the economy? 


We are heading for a 30s style depression inspite of all the money being thrown around and many more will die from this than the virus 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Howdy Beast,


A Depression has to be seriously thought about given this unprecedented situation. Italy and Spain are already asking for Coronavirus bonds - there economies are collapsing. It might be the end of Neo liberal policy at least. 


the Aussie government are talking about hibernating the economy for 6 months. No utility bills, no mortgages, no rental payments and hopefully shut the stock market as well.


So far from them there has been much talk and not much action, but the mass lays offs are now causing 500m lines outside Centrelink (job centres in the UK).


on a personal note on the positive side our local brewery is still making beer and doing deliveries, so self isolation with the kids is bearable. A new double dry hopped IPA Oat Cream. 

NickR
29 March 2020 09:14:44


 


 


It can live on plastic for 72 hours.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Yes, but that does not mean it is viable as a point of contagion.

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xioni2
29 March 2020 09:15:22


A bit like TWO then with Chairman Gaze  


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Shall we give him extraordinary powers? Public whipping powers? Our credit card numbers?


Gavin D
29 March 2020 09:19:44
Michael Gove on Marr has said we did 10,000 tests yesterday. The official figures this afternoon will reveal if he was telling the truth.
Ulric
29 March 2020 09:20:40
IMO, you can drive yourself round the bend worrying about who or what might have touched a surface. You can't disinfect everything.

One of the most distressing sights of the last few days has been the discarded disposable gloves appearing on roads and pavements. One of the local FB groups had pictures of people throwing them out of car windows in a town centre. In reality, protection is only as good as the weakest link in the chain and what are we to do with millions of used gloves anyway?

If I go shopping, I take anti-bac wipes with me and wipe down basket and trolley handles. I clean my hands before I go in store to prevent me from contaminating anything in there. Other people are less careful and I don't see how one could eliminate all chances of cross contamination.

Soap is your friend. Wash before and after handling stuff - especially food.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Caz
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29 March 2020 09:21:15


 


I would trust more a meta review of the literature than what a professor says, but I take Doc's point.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Yes, it’s difficult for people to know what and who to believe.  When this is all over and we understand the science of it, we’ll probably laugh at some of the measures we took!  But I do believe personal hygiene is the key.  I’ve always been a stickler for handwashing, kitchen hygiene and care with food prep and cooking. 

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Retron
29 March 2020 09:22:39


the Aussie government are talking about hibernating the economy for 6 months. No utility bills, no mortgages, no rental payments and hopefully shut the stock market as well.


Originally Posted by: Perthite1 


They can talk about it as much as they like, but it's totally impossible to do. Or at least if they do manage it, expect to starve to death in a few weeks unless you have a garden and can plant some crops (albeit it's coming up to winter for you guys, so easier said than done).


It's important that companies making and delivering the essentials (food, fuel, cleaning equipment, medicene etc) continue to operate as best they can. You also need some elements of banking, as well as (obviously) the public sector to keep going - even though schools, for example, are closed for most, the teachers at mine at least are still delivering lessons via Google - and we IT staff are still keeping things ticking over, albeit from home.


Incidentally the Beeb's live feed has this:


"UK to be in lockdown for 'significant period'




The UK needs to prepare to be under strict measures for a "significant period", Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says."




I'm guessing that's the 12 weeks that was talked about in the last couple of weeks... 11 weeks to go, in that case!

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Ulric
29 March 2020 09:23:07


Yes, it’s difficult for people to know what and who to believe.  When this is all over and we understand the science of it, we’ll probably laugh at some of the measures we took!  But I do believe personal hygiene is the key.  I’ve always been a stickler for handwashing, kitchen hygiene and care with food prep and cooking. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
llamedos
29 March 2020 09:23:57


 


Shall we give him extraordinary powers? Public whipping powers? Our credit card numbers?



Originally Posted by: xioni2 

I suspect Brian already has public whipping powers.  The Berko mob are an odd lot - I should know, my daughter lives there 

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Ulric
29 March 2020 09:25:36


Incidentally the Beeb's live feed has this:


"UK to be in lockdown for 'significant period'




The UK needs to prepare to be under strict measures for a "significant period", Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says."




I'm guessing that's the 12 weeks that was talked about in the last couple of weeks... 11 weeks to go, in that case!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Implies the lockdown will end in mid-june. A lot of people will have gone stark staring mad by then!

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
xioni2
29 March 2020 09:26:05

I'd advise people to get their hair clippers now, although I know some still like the 70s.


Caz
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29 March 2020 09:28:56


I'd advise people to get their hair clippers now, although I know some still like the 70s.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 

  Next panic buying frenzy - shampoo!

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haghir22
29 March 2020 09:28:58
Morning everyone, apologies first for the rather attention seeking post in the early hours of Saturday morning. Very unlike me.

By way of an update, my mother was sent home as the beds were required at Epsom hospital for Coronavirus cases. I understand across Surrey some 13,000 beds are being made available through different methods including sending some patients home.

Clearly they do not feel she has covid19 but she is still unwell and meningitis has been mentioned. A weird place indeed when this is the lesser of two evils!

With regards work, well I’m not the only one. I can enjoy the children and family life more so for the next three months than I ever thought possible and am pretty certain I’ll have a job to go back to after. Being paid to spend time with my family shouldn’t really be an issue!!! It’s just the shock initially.

Thanks to those who DM’d me also. Very much appreciated.
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Ulric
29 March 2020 09:29:33


I'd advise people to get their hair clippers now, although I know some still like the 70s.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I gave the old beard a good trim yesterday. Was in danger of going full Sadhu.


If I can't get a haircut in the next three weeks, I'm going to just go #3 all over (usual cut for me in the summer).

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
llamedos
29 March 2020 09:31:50


 


Implies the lockdown will end in mid-june. A lot of people will have gone stark staring mad by then!


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

No doubt complimented with an increased risk of civil disturbance 

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xioni2
29 March 2020 09:32:14


I gave the old beard a good trim yesterday. Was in danger of going full Sadhu.


If I can't get a haircut in the next three weeks, I'm going to just go #3 all over (usual cut for me in the summer).


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Skinheads will be very fashionable too, go on Ulric!



 

llamedos
29 March 2020 09:35:04


I'd advise people to get their hair clippers now, although I know some still like the 70s.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 

I thought better about posting what sprung to mind 

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xioni2
29 March 2020 09:35:20

Morning everyone, apologies first for the rather attention seeking post in the early hours of Saturday morning. Very unlike me.

Originally Posted by: haghir22 


I don't think your post was attention seeking at all, it was just very human.


All the best to you and your family.

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