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NickR
05 April 2020 10:48:33


 


If that's true, the lockdown is utterly pointless.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


That doesn't follow. Even without immunity (really not sure the science is saying that yet), you still need to slow the rate of infection both for the health system to cope with infections and to buy more time for effective treatments to emerge. And - ultimately - for a vaccine.

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Caz
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05 April 2020 10:48:40


I'm inclined to agree.  Pubs have got to be THE best way of getting the thing.  Not only have   you got close proximity to peeps, you have  the bar, tables, bog door handles, taps a  in bogs, cutlery, plates, the actual foods its self all as vectors for infection.


We cancelled an early mothers day / birthday pub  visit in advance of the lock-down for precisely that reason. It's  a b'stard not being able to  down a decent pint in a nice pub ambiance and tuck into a juicy pub steak but we are where we are.  However, If I get an antibody test that comes back positive and the pubs open,  I'll most  likley start  having all my meals   at my local - it  will help them to survive and save me the hassle of grocery shopping for myself (although I'll still have to do it for The Folks).


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

  I think you did right to cancel early!  I think a lot of damage may have been caused on the last hoorah night, the Friday night before pubs closed when people crowded their locals for a final drink!


The husband of a local landlady works away and had returned that day. He was in the crowded pub that night serving pints as they were so busy. Five days later he was admitted to hospital and tested positive for Covid 19.  He was taken off the ventilator yesterday, so he is improving. 


But what of the others in that packed pub?  Nobody knew that night that he had it!  Nobody knows who has it until it’s too late!

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John p
05 April 2020 10:51:47


 


I am trying to work if you genuinely “don’t get it”.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Not sure why I seem to be the only one annoyed by his trolling and casual racism?

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Bugglesgate
05 April 2020 10:51:49


 


If that's true, the lockdown is utterly pointless.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


 


I agree.   It would  also suggest   that  efforts to  get a vaccine are likely to be  fruitless 


I suspect though that those that have mild symptoms will get mild symptoms for subsequent infections and it seems likley that the body  systems will get "tuned" somewhat"   to be able to deal with new variants of something  it has seem before.  I'm sure Doc will have a view on these notions.


 


 

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Phil G
05 April 2020 10:53:51


 


If that's true, the lockdown is utterly pointless.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


In the first instance while this all sinks in its all we could do. The immediate concern was the pressure on the NHS, but if true calls to just let this take its course will only get louder as it will be having too much effect, well just about everything.


All those things not connected to the virus, cancer, heart, wealth of other medical issues, finance, domestics, crime, mental health, etc etc etc.


WTF. There isn't going to be a solution that satisfies all. Even with the lockdown, most are still to go through this virus at some point and its like russian roulette.

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05 April 2020 10:55:40


I think you are banging your head against a brick wall with Beast, Doc.  He's not daft, he "gets it" alright it's   just the lure of a pint in  his local 'spoons with his  "red neck",  "pub mates" ellipses all other factors


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

I can understand his plight as he obviously has little else in his life and his one pleasure is being denied him.  What he needs to understand is that he’s not alone in this and he’s by no means the worst off.  Everyone is giving up ‘normal life’ to try and stop this thing spreading too quickly and we’re not all moaning constantly! 

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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 10:56:56

If a) infection rates are still moderate to high b) I've not had it c) pubs reopen I will be going nowhere near them whether it is May, June or December.

Interesting reading in The Sunday Times the UK government is very worried that immunity may only last a few months.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The beer garden might be reasonably safe, if someone brings the drinks out to you.


As for immunity, this was flagged back at the beginning of the outbreak: immunity to Coronaviruses in general is not long-lasting. This could be different, of course; it's way too early to know.


If we needed an annual jab to protect the population the task and the cost would be significant. Close to 70 million jabs per year, every year: almost 200,000 every day; forever.

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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 10:58:33


 


Not sure why I seem to be the only one annoyed by his trolling and casual racism?


Originally Posted by: John p 


You're not; but it's the way he is.


No doubt the moderators are taking note.

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Gooner
05 April 2020 11:00:48


I can understand his plight as he obviously has little else in his life and his one pleasure is being denied him.  What he needs to understand is that he’s not alone in this and he’s by no means the worst off.  Everyone is giving up ‘normal life’ to try and stop this thing spreading too quickly and we’re not all moaning constantly! 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


The road outside is so much quieter , I'm still going to work , I go to get shopping , I go for a 3 mile walk in the evening with my son .


I am lucky to have a very long garden with 2 patios and enjoying the sun , so no complaints 


BUT I understand peoples frustrations , those who live in flats with children must be going through hell 

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Northern Sky
05 April 2020 11:02:21


 


Not sure why I seem to be the only one annoyed by his trolling and casual racism?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Beast is a WUM. I often don't agree with him but he makes valid points and I enjoy reading his posts.


I understand that some might find his posts a bit offensive but there's always the ignore button. 

Joe Bloggs
05 April 2020 11:04:22


 


Beast is a WUM. I often don't agree with him but he makes valid points and I enjoy reading his posts.


I understand that some might find his posts a bit offensive but there's always the ignore button. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Agreed. Personally I find his posts light relief but I can see why some would find them offensive. 


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05 April 2020 11:05:07


 


Not sure why I seem to be the only one annoyed by his trolling and casual racism?


Originally Posted by: John p 

Best approach is not to feed the trolls!  Ignore it!  

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Northern Sky
05 April 2020 11:06:51


Here's a suggestion. There are approx 284,000 nurses in the UK. How about the Premier League club together and gift each of them £1000. The total cost would be £284,000,000. That's only 3.5 Harry Maguires. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Appalling that Liverpool aren't paying all their staff. Maybe they should sing "You'll walk alone" from now on.


These clubs need to follow the example of Leeds United.

Gooner
05 April 2020 11:08:36


 


Appalling that Liverpool aren't paying all their staff. Maybe they should sing "You'll walk alone" from now on.


These clubs need to follow the example of Leeds United.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 



Its crap isn't it ? 


What's Klopp got to say about that 

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05 April 2020 11:10:59


 


Beast is a WUM. I often don't agree with him but he makes valid points and I enjoy reading his posts.


I understand that some might find his posts a bit offensive but there's always the ignore button. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

  He does make some valid points and his opinion should be as respected as anyone else’s.  It’s just his posting style and choice of words that are often cringeworthy, but ignorable! 

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Roger Parsons
05 April 2020 11:18:25


  He does make some valid points and his opinion should be as respected as anyone else’s.  It’s just his posting style and choice of words that are often cringeworthy, but ignorable! 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


For a split second my brain tried to read that as "adorable", Caz....

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speckledjim
05 April 2020 11:25:25


 


Doesn't Sweden currently have a worse death rate per population than us?


Originally Posted by: westv 


No, our deaths per million is 64 and Sweden's is 37.

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05 April 2020 11:27:12


 For a split second my brain tried to read that as "adorable", Caz....


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

 No, I wouldn’t go that far!  

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Gooner
05 April 2020 11:28:36


 


No, our deaths per million is 64 and Sweden's is 37.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


As I said earlier , you cant compare until this is all over

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John p
05 April 2020 11:28:45


 


Beast is a WUM. I often don't agree with him but he makes valid points and I enjoy reading his posts.


I understand that some might find his posts a bit offensive but there's always the ignore button. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


So instead of the site acting on racism (towel head) I should just press the ignore button? It'd be sad if we acted that way in wider society!


Fine I will do so, but I'm sad that I seem to be the one in the 'wrong' here.


I won't mention him again.

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The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 11:29:41


 


Its clear from pictures yesterday that they are not being followed and we need a tighter lockdown for the next 4 weeks. 


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


If you want to start a riot, go ahead


Many crowded Housing Estates are already tinderboxes. Army checkpoints "Show me your papers" will not be tolerated in this country

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Gandalf The White
05 April 2020 11:30:37


 


For a split second my brain tried to read that as "adorable", Caz....


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


 


ROFL


 

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Gooner
05 April 2020 11:31:47


 


So instead of the site acting on racism (towel head) I should just press the ignore button? It'd be sad if we acted that way in wider society!


Fine I will do so, but I'm sad that I seem to be the one in the 'wrong' here.


I won't mention him again.


Originally Posted by: John p 


You certainly aren't in the wrong 


Fire back at him like I do ……..…...on occasions .


In other forums he's a fairly decent chap if I'm honest 

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The Beast from the East
05 April 2020 11:32:38


 


 


I agree.   It would  also suggest   that  efforts to  get a vaccine are likely to be  fruitless 


I suspect though that those that have mild symptoms will get mild symptoms for subsequent infections and it seems likley that the body  systems will get "tuned" somewhat"   to be able to deal with new variants of something  it has seem before.  I'm sure Doc will have a view on these notions.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


If you have access to Discovery Channel, well worth watching their latest documentary about the Virus, very scientific but American centred


If this mutates as easily as the common cold, we are in trouble. We will need a new vaccine every year


This thing has only been in humans since December. It is still figuring us out

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05 April 2020 11:33:29


So instead of the site acting on racism (towel head) I should just press the ignore button? It'd be sad if we acted that way in wider society!


Fine I will do so, but I'm sad that I seem to be the one in the 'wrong' here.


I won't mention him again.


Originally Posted by: John p 

No, you’re not the one in the wrong!  We’re a community and it takes all sorts!  Some are more annoying and some are more tolerant!   

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